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Why We Cannot Win

GrGr

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Why We Cannot Win

by Al Lorentz

Before I begin, let me state that I am a soldier currently deployed in Iraq, I am not an armchair quarterback. Nor am I some politically idealistic and naïve young soldier, I am an old and seasoned Non-Commissioned Officer with nearly 20 years under my belt. Additionally, I am not just a soldier with a muds-eye view of the war, I am in Civil Affairs and as such, it is my job to be aware of all the events occurring in this country and specifically in my region.

I have come to the conclusion that we cannot win here for a number of reasons. Ideology and idealism will never trump history and reality.

When we were preparing to deploy, I told my young soldiers to beware of the "political solution." Just when you think you have the situation on the ground in hand, someone will come along with a political directive that throws you off the tracks.

I believe that we could have won this un-Constitutional invasion of Iraq and possibly pulled off the even more un-Constitutional occupation and subjugation of this sovereign nation. It might have even been possible to foist democracy on these people who seem to have no desire, understanding or respect for such an institution. True the possibility of pulling all this off was a long shot and would have required several hundred billion dollars and even more casualties than we?ve seen to date but again it would have been possible, not realistic or necessary but possible.

Here are the specific reasons why we cannot win in Iraq.

First, we refuse to deal in reality. We are in a guerilla war, but because of politics, we are not allowed to declare it a guerilla war and must label the increasingly effective guerilla forces arrayed against us as "terrorists, criminals and dead-enders."

This implies that there is a zero sum game at work, i.e. we can simply kill X number of the enemy and then the fight is over, mission accomplished, everybody wins. Unfortunately, this is not the case. We have few tools at our disposal and those are proving to be wholly ineffective at fighting the guerillas.

The idea behind fighting a guerilla army is not to destroy its every man (an impossibility since he hides himself by day amongst the populace). Rather the idea in guerilla warfare is to erode or destroy his base of support.

So long as there is support for the guerilla, for every one you kill two more rise up to take his place. More importantly, when your tools for killing him are precision guided munitions, raids and other acts that create casualties among the innocent populace, you raise the support for the guerillas and undermine the support for yourself. (A 500-pound precision bomb has a casualty-producing radius of 400 meters minimum; do the math.)

Second, our assessment of what motivates the average Iraqi was skewed, again by politically motivated "experts." We came here with some fantasy idea that the natives were all ignorant, mud-hut dwelling camel riders who would line the streets and pelt us with rose petals, lay palm fronds in the street and be eternally grateful. While at one time there may have actually been support and respect from the locals, months of occupation by our regular military forces have turned the formerly friendly into the recently hostile.

Attempts to correct the thinking in this regard are in vain; it is not politically correct to point out the fact that the locals are not only disliking us more and more, they are growing increasingly upset and often overtly hostile. Instead of addressing the reasons why the locals are becoming angry and discontented, we allow politicians in Washington DC to give us pat and convenient reasons that are devoid of any semblance of reality.

We are told that the locals are not upset because we have a hostile, aggressive and angry Army occupying their nation. We are told that they are not upset at the police state we have created, or at the manner of picking their representatives for them. Rather we are told, they are upset because of a handful of terrorists, criminals and dead enders in their midst have made them upset, that and of course the ever convenient straw man of "left wing media bias."

Third, the guerillas are filling their losses faster than we can create them. This is almost always the case in guerilla warfare, especially when your tactics for battling the guerillas are aimed at killing guerillas instead of eroding their support. For every guerilla we kill with a "smart bomb" we kill many more innocent civilians and create rage and anger in the Iraqi community. This rage and anger translates into more recruits for the terrorists and less support for us.

We have fallen victim to the body count mentality all over again. We have shown a willingness to inflict civilian casualties as a necessity of war without realizing that these same casualties create waves of hatred against us. These angry Iraqi citizens translate not only into more recruits for the guerilla army but also into more support of the guerilla army.

Fourth, their lines of supply and communication are much shorter than ours and much less vulnerable. We must import everything we need into this place; this costs money and is dangerous. Whether we fly the supplies in or bring them by truck, they are vulnerable to attack, most especially those brought by truck. This not only increases the likelihood of the supplies being interrupted. Every bean, every bullet and every bandage becomes infinitely more expensive.

Conversely, the guerillas live on top of their supplies and are showing every indication of developing a very sophisticated network for obtaining them. Further, they have the advantage of the close support of family and friends and traditional religious networks.

Fifth, we consistently underestimate the enemy and his capabilities. Many military commanders have prepared to fight exactly the wrong war here.

Our tactics have not adjusted to the battlefield and we are falling behind.

Meanwhile the enemy updates his tactics and has shown a remarkable resiliency and adaptability.

Because the current administration is more concerned with its image than it is with reality, it prefers symbolism to substance: soldiers are dying here and being maimed and crippled for life. It is tragic, indeed criminal that our elected public servants would so willingly sacrifice our nation's prestige and honor as well as the blood and treasure to pursue an agenda that is ahistoric and un-Constitutional.

It is all the more ironic that this un-Constitutional mission is being performed by citizen soldiers such as myself who swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, the same oath that the commander in chief himself has sworn.

September 20, 2004

Al Lorentz [send him mail] is former state chairman of the Constitution Party of Texas and is a reservist currently serving with the US Army in Iraq.

lewrockwell
 
We cant win because some americans are still focused on why we went rather than how can we best support our troops. Same with Nam. Although i dont disagree the administration is too worried about said people.
 
Originally posted by: GrGr
It is all the more ironic that this un-Constitutional mission is being performed by citizen soldiers such as myself who swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, the same oath that the commander in chief himself has sworn.
Yes, unfortunately the oath they swear to includes obeying the Commander-in-Chief, so they have no choice. I feel, however, that he may be included in the "foreign and domestic" clause so who knows.

 
Originally posted by: AEB
We cant win because some americans are still focused on why we went rather than how can we best support our troops. Same with Nam. Although i dont disagree the administration is too worried about said people.


How exactly do you define "support," and how are the ones not "supporting" them? Secondly, assume for a moment that every American was favorable towards the war and every bumper was decorated with a yellow ribbon...How exactly would this change the strategic reality in Iraq?

You seem to be suggesting that the difficulties in Iraq solely lay on a lack of morale on the part of our troops. Every American should put on a happy face and maybe our troops would then fight harder and win? Interesting thesis...

 
One reason we can not win is that the enemy is ruthless underhanded and has no morals or morays about how they fight a war and we are stuck in a 1940's mindset when it comes to War. Also it seems that Muslims will not stand up in opposition against what we preceive as the terrorists organizations. I think many Muslims in their hearts are gleeful when they see westerners killed by Muslim Terrorists. They lack the ability to fight as one body for their own freedom and are not willing to fight for their own freedom.

I have always upheld the beleif that westerners should not get involved in the middle east. This war is a religious war and we are viewed as the Devil. We can not win, but we can wall them inside and force them to deal with it. Perhaps after 10 or 20 years of Civil War, Iraq will realize that it is a mistake to back the terrorists. However, are we willing to fight this war for 20 years? I dont think so. I say lets get out now! To Hell with Iraq! Lets blow up and destroy every Oil well and processing plant they have and just leave the country in Ruins.
 
Because the current administration is more concerned with its image than it is with reality, it prefers symbolism to substance: soldiers are dying here and being maimed and crippled for life. It is tragic, indeed criminal that our elected public servants would so willingly sacrifice our nation's prestige and honor as well as the blood and treasure to pursue an agenda that is ahistoric and un-Constitutional.



:thumbsup:
 
Might want to do a bit more checking into this guys motivation. A quick Google search turned up this

Not exactly a fan of the President so I don't think I would take his criticisms with more than a grain of salt.

Can't look for more now...I'm at work....maybe when I get home I'll do more digging....
 
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Might want to do a bit more checking into this guys motivation. A quick Google search turned up this

Not exactly a fan of the President so I don't think I would take his criticisms with more than a grain of salt.

Can't look for more now...I'm at work....maybe when I get home I'll do more digging....

Your saying that he would have to be a fan of the prez for you to take his ideas seriously? Obviously he?s not very happy with the current administration, that isn't hard to figure out.
 
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Might want to do a bit more checking into this guys motivation. A quick Google search turned up this

Not exactly a fan of the President so I don't think I would take his criticisms with more than a grain of salt.

Can't look for more now...I'm at work....maybe when I get home I'll do more digging....

Regardless of his motivations for writing the piece, if you can't rebuke any of his points then you can't say it isn't an accurate portrayal of the war.
 
I'll try and save shinerburke some time.

There's this

And this

"But there is a way to make the draft not only Constitutional but affordable, workable and fair. Bring back the militia." Is he serious???


Just what I want. Some ex-marine wacko(not that they all are but I have met some) sittin home with a semi-automatic and 500 rounds waiting for the time to use them. Oh, and getting paid to sit home all the time.

I love our soldiers but this guy is a nut.
 
Al Lorentz is a Fundamentalist Christian, father and devoted husband, state chairman of the Constitution Party of Texas. Al has served as a Marine Sniper and later as an Airborne Ranger in the Texas National Guard.

I would have figured he had these guys in his pocket. Fundie, military, Texan. Seems like a no-brainer.
Some other interesting quips from link above:

"I remember hearing GW Bush referred to as a Christian by hordes of fawning and Constitutionally ignorant pseudo-Christians who occupy most of our nations pulpits and comprise the majority of the mainstream talk radio hosts."


"Riding high on the knuckle dragging support of the willfully ignorant masses who know more about their favorite television show than they do their own system of government, GW Bush and his globalist cronies have pushed through the most anti-Constitutional legislation ever imagined."


"After the 9/11 attacks where thousands of innocent American citizens were killed, an attack that could have been prevented (but then we did need our Reichstag fire to justify Homeland Security), our public servants set up a shadow government, issued themselves gas masks and continued on with their idiotic and un-Constitutional foreign policy. I predict that so long as our ruling class are sheltered from the consequences of their actions, it will be the American people who will continue to be over-taxed, have their freedom stripped from them and generally slaughtered advancing the global agenda."


Mmmm feel the burn...

Maybe a bit off his rocker, but does that mean all his opinions are baseless and invalid?

 
I wonder if we are going to debate his ideas based on their merit, or simply use character assasination to skirt the issues? Following precident, I know which I'm expecting. Reminds me of this old debate:

G: "I beleive the Earth may not be the center of the solar system. Here's my data..."
R: "Not only are you a heretic, but I suspect an aetheist as well."
 
The letter posted by our OP is quite well reasoned and not inaccurate in any of its facts. He even avoided comparing Iraq to Vietnam, which must have required enormous self-restraint. 🙂

He's not my political hero, but let's hear why his ideas are WRONG.

-Robert
 
If they really cared, they would take detailed surveys of all the soldiers to find out what is really going on in the field and their opinion on the viability of the war. Instead we have politicians who have never stepped foot on a battlefield calling the shots, far away from harm's reach.
 
Follow-up:

Sept. 29, 2004 | An Army Reserve staff sergeant who last week wrote a critical analysis of the United States' prospects in Iraq now faces possible disciplinary action for disloyalty and insubordination. If charges are bought and the officer is found guilty, he could face 20 years in prison. It would be the first such disloyalty prosecution since the Vietnam War.

link

 
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Might want to do a bit more checking into this guys motivation. A quick Google search turned up this

Not exactly a fan of the President so I don't think I would take his criticisms with more than a grain of salt.

Can't look for more now...I'm at work....maybe when I get home I'll do more digging....

..not to mention that Al Lorentz is former state chairman of the Constitution Party of Texas and pissing and moaning because he had to deploy.
 
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