why we are fatties in the US

[Miramonti]

I'm not sure if Costco and Sam's Club simply attract the heaviest people in the country, or if they breed them in aisle 6.

I also noticed they have the widest shopping carts in the free world, presumably so their ultra-wide customers don't get clipped when passing a cart going in the other direction.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: jjsole
I'm not sure if Costco and Sam's Club simply attract the heaviest people in the country, or if they breed them in aisle 6.

I also noticed they have the widest shopping carts in the free world, presumably so their ultra-wide customers don't get clipped when passing a cart going in the other direction.

Heh. I feel like I need to bring a cattle prod with me to be able to successfully navigate through those hell holes.

When I go I've usually got a box of the "baked" snack chips (baked doritos, lays potato chips, and ruffles), a pineapple, the gallon tub of field greens, a box of Powerbars, a tub of Whey Protein, and a box of oatmeal sitting in my cart.

A lot different than the 400 pound heffers on either side of me with their 100 pound 10 year old blimps of children hanging off them with the 40 gallon tub of Cheese Poofs and the 25 count box of Snickers bars in their carts.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Vic
The REAL reason.

Not too long ago, it was widely believed that population increases would lead to widespread starvation. Government agencies around the world worked with farmers, agricultural companies, food processors, etc. in order to increase yields and maximize nutritional content. Unfortunately, the fears proved to be overstated and now we have an overabudance. The "organic" foods movement is the backlash to this BTW.

So overabundance and non organic food is why we're fat today? Highly doubtful, I could eat a salad and a tuna/chicken sandwich everyday and not be overweight. I will agree that some common synthesized chemicals like HFCSyrup contribute significantly, but overall you can still choose non organic foods that are healthy today (fish, chicken, salads, milk, yogurt, eggs, etc) . Just because there are more refined chemicals on the market and fast/fatty foods are cheap doesn't mean we absolutely have to ingest them.

I think the computer/video game revolution, more movies to choose from, more channels on TV resulting in a lack of exercise/being active contribute more to obesity than GMO foods and chemicals. I can ingest fatty foods but will remain skinny as long as I'm excercising like a champ (albeit it's tougher to keep the weight off with fatty vs healthy food).

Exercise is only half the equation.

Probably right. With the other 50% made up of genetics and diet.

It ultimately comes down to personal responsibility though. It's the 2-edged sword of a free society.

It's definitely a 2-edged sword, however someone who ate crappy (say, over half their meals are pizza) can still look good with excessive exercise, so I would say exercise is more than 50%, maybe even 75%.

My ex did this exact thing, she would only eat pizza, bacon sandwiches, snickers and candy, spaghetti, cereal loaded with sugars, but she had a sexy body. Here's the key though: she would run for an hour EVERYDAY. 5 days a week. To add to this she lived in Philly, and had to walk around 10-15 blocks to her school (teacher). She definitely was not getting the proper nutrition and I would always bug her about it, b/c when she sometimes didn't have the time to exercise she would put on noticeable weight (then exercise more and starve herself to drop it). So that's why I think exercise > diet.

I'm pretty sure youth and a high metabolism were factors here. You can look good and be in shape with a poor diet in your youth, but that comes back to you with a vengeance as you get older.

 

[EMPshockwave82]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
You can also buy big bags of rice, beans, and noodles and cook up some healthy food for cheaper than fast food.

I made a pasta w/ tuna that would feed about 12 people for around 25 dollars. It tasted good too.

25.00 = jr. bacon cheese burger and fries for 12.5 people. with zero prep time.

Only 2 JBC each? In that case, with those small portions, my pasta could have served 20 people.

you really shouldnt be eating more than 2 JBC's..... maybe a third.... maybe

maybe portion size is part of our problem?

 

[chr6]

i find that most people are just too lazy to cook and opt for the fast food. rachel ray ftw

 

[OFiddleDD]

are computer geeks fatter than the rest of the US?

 

[forfor]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: vi_edit

beg to differ with you here but I have veggies only lunches several times a week and regard them as more than mere "fillers"

Your typical veggies - greens, tomatoes, onions, carrots, peppers, broccoli, ect are fillers. Nothing more. They "fill in the gaps" in nutrition and provide satiation. They on their own provide little caloric content or are energy sources. The fiber and volume they provide fill you up and help with digestion. They aren't replacements for carbs, fat or protiens.

I have come to really enjoy the taste of steamed or lightly sauteed veggies and consider them very important in my diet for a lot of reasons. the antitoxidents they provide, the proterction against colon cancer.

I don't exercise as much as I should but my diet helps me keep really good skin for my age and I believe firmly that my relatively high intake of nutrient rich veggies is in part responsible.

I absolutely agree that they are essential to a healthy body. I'm just simply saying I don't agree with the concept of them being used as replacements for other things your body needs. (IE: good carbs & protien).

Well, the majority of calories from my daily "super salad" comes from veggies, eggs, dressing, and pasta. I consider it the perfect meal. Here's what it has in it: lettuce, baby spinach, mushrooms, beets, cucumbers, carrots (shredded), egg whites (and probably 1/4 yolk total), baby tomatoes, red grapes and raisins (awesome antiox), sunflower seeds, pasta in vinegar w/ some chunks of cheese, and red wine vinegar (breaks up pasta starch in the stomach before it can be stored as fat) + regular ranch dressing (studies in the latest Men's Health show that regular dressing with more fat will allow the body to absorb 15X more fat soluable vit/min like beta carotene so skip the light dressings). I spend about $6 a day at the supermarket for this lunch salad, it's probably about 1500 calories and I never gain weight. I usually eat a regular chicken sandwich (canned 98% fat free) on whole wheat bread, and a customized slow burning protein (from proteinfactory.com) milkshake for breakfast.

I am sorry but I that's not good nutrition. Consuming 1500 calories is never good unless you are a 300 lbs boxer. A comment on the slow digesting protein shake: you should drink that before bed because your body does most of the protein processing during the first 4 hours of sleep, so its good to have protein in stock then.

Here's my diet:

Breakfast: 2 cup natural non-instant oatmeal with honey + 1 cup light cottage cheese + handful of almonds + green tea.

Snack: Half Turkey sandwich with mustard, lettuce, tomatos + a cup of natural yogurt + 1 apple

Lunch: Salad with chicken breast or at times baked fish (not a big portion)

Snack: Other half of the Turkey sandwich + a glass of milk + a peach.

Dinner: Steak + fish + chicken (any lean meat) + steamed veggies

Snack before bed: slow digesting protein shake + 2 tablespoons of natural, unsalted, unsweetened peanut butter.

This is just a sample of my daily diet. It keeps my metabolism up and running 24/7 and is rich in almost all nutrients.

 

[forfor]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Vic
The REAL reason.

Not too long ago, it was widely believed that population increases would lead to widespread starvation. Government agencies around the world worked with farmers, agricultural companies, food processors, etc. in order to increase yields and maximize nutritional content. Unfortunately, the fears proved to be overstated and now we have an overabudance. The "organic" foods movement is the backlash to this BTW.

So overabundance and non organic food is why we're fat today? Highly doubtful, I could eat a salad and a tuna/chicken sandwich everyday and not be overweight. I will agree that some common synthesized chemicals like HFCSyrup contribute significantly, but overall you can still choose non organic foods that are healthy today (fish, chicken, salads, milk, yogurt, eggs, etc) . Just because there are more refined chemicals on the market and fast/fatty foods are cheap doesn't mean we absolutely have to ingest them.

I think the computer/video game revolution, more movies to choose from, more channels on TV resulting in a lack of exercise/being active contribute more to obesity than GMO foods and chemicals. I can ingest fatty foods but will remain skinny as long as I'm excercising like a champ (albeit it's tougher to keep the weight off with fatty vs healthy food).

Exercise is only half the equation.

Probably right. With the other 50% made up of genetics and diet.

It ultimately comes down to personal responsibility though. It's the 2-edged sword of a free society.

It's definitely a 2-edged sword, however someone who ate crappy (say, over half their meals are pizza) can still look good with excessive exercise, so I would say exercise is more than 50%, maybe even 75%.

My ex did this exact thing, she would only eat pizza, bacon sandwiches, snickers and candy, spaghetti, cereal loaded with sugars, but she had a sexy body. Here's the key though: she would run for an hour EVERYDAY. 5 days a week. To add to this she lived in Philly, and had to walk around 10-15 blocks to her school (teacher). She definitely was not getting the proper nutrition and I would always bug her about it, b/c when she sometimes didn't have the time to exercise she would put on noticeable weight (then exercise more and starve herself to drop it). So that's why I think exercise > diet.

I'm pretty sure youth and a high metabolism were factors here. You can look good and be in shape with a poor diet in your youth, but that comes back to you with a vengeance as you get older.

As someone that has been working out and eating healthy for a long time, I can assure you that nutrition is far more important than exercise, especially if you are trying to get in shape. The fella I replied to above may be ok with eating 1500 calorie meals at his current age, but that won't help him look good on the mirror when he is 45, heck even 35 maybe.

I would rank it 95% nutrition, 5% exercise.

 

[Marinski]

hey, anybody tried the new italian chicken sandwich from burger king?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: forfor

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: vi_edit

beg to differ with you here but I have veggies only lunches several times a week and regard them as more than mere "fillers"

Your typical veggies - greens, tomatoes, onions, carrots, peppers, broccoli, ect are fillers. Nothing more. They "fill in the gaps" in nutrition and provide satiation. They on their own provide little caloric content or are energy sources. The fiber and volume they provide fill you up and help with digestion. They aren't replacements for carbs, fat or protiens.

I have come to really enjoy the taste of steamed or lightly sauteed veggies and consider them very important in my diet for a lot of reasons. the antitoxidents they provide, the proterction against colon cancer.

I don't exercise as much as I should but my diet helps me keep really good skin for my age and I believe firmly that my relatively high intake of nutrient rich veggies is in part responsible.

I absolutely agree that they are essential to a healthy body. I'm just simply saying I don't agree with the concept of them being used as replacements for other things your body needs. (IE: good carbs & protien).

Well, the majority of calories from my daily "super salad" comes from veggies, eggs, dressing, and pasta. I consider it the perfect meal. Here's what it has in it: lettuce, baby spinach, mushrooms, beets, cucumbers, carrots (shredded), egg whites (and probably 1/4 yolk total), baby tomatoes, red grapes and raisins (awesome antiox), sunflower seeds, pasta in vinegar w/ some chunks of cheese, and red wine vinegar (breaks up pasta starch in the stomach before it can be stored as fat) + regular ranch dressing (studies in the latest Men's Health show that regular dressing with more fat will allow the body to absorb 15X more fat soluable vit/min like beta carotene so skip the light dressings). I spend about $6 a day at the supermarket for this lunch salad, it's probably about 1500 calories and I never gain weight. I usually eat a regular chicken sandwich (canned 98% fat free) on whole wheat bread, and a customized slow burning protein (from proteinfactory.com) milkshake for breakfast.

I am sorry but I that's not good nutrition. Consuming 1500 calories is never good unless you are a 300 lbs boxer. A comment on the slow digesting protein shake: you should drink that before bed because your body does most of the protein processing during the first 4 hours of sleep, so its good to have protein in stock then.

Here's my diet:

Breakfast: 2 cup natural non-instant oatmeal with honey + 1 cup light cottage cheese + handful of almonds + green tea.

Snack: Half Turkey sandwich with mustard, lettuce, tomatos + a cup of natural yogurt + 1 apple

Lunch: Salad with chicken breast or at times baked fish (not a big portion)

Snack: Other half of the Turkey sandwich + a glass of milk + a peach.

Dinner: Steak + fish + chicken (any lean meat) + steamed veggies

Snack before bed: slow digesting protein shake + 2 tablespoons of natural, unsalted, unsweetened peanut butter.

This is just a sample of my daily diet. It keeps my metabolism up and running 24/7 and is rich in almost all nutrients.

It's dam good nutrition for my muscular 180 lb broad frame (5-6). I don't have the means to eat 6-8 meals a day like you, but when I do it's healthy. I know about slow burning protein at night, I will sometimes take one contingent upon my training schedule. I employ the bracketing method before and every workout (another custom protein with high dextrose/whey protein for fast absorption), 2 other shakes I didn't include because I only have time to work out twice a week (2 other days I do martial arts). You do what works for you, I have the metabolism of a shrew even eating 3-4 meals on nonworkout days.

 

[forfor]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: forfor

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: vi_edit

beg to differ with you here but I have veggies only lunches several times a week and regard them as more than mere "fillers"

Your typical veggies - greens, tomatoes, onions, carrots, peppers, broccoli, ect are fillers. Nothing more. They "fill in the gaps" in nutrition and provide satiation. They on their own provide little caloric content or are energy sources. The fiber and volume they provide fill you up and help with digestion. They aren't replacements for carbs, fat or protiens.

I have come to really enjoy the taste of steamed or lightly sauteed veggies and consider them very important in my diet for a lot of reasons. the antitoxidents they provide, the proterction against colon cancer.

I don't exercise as much as I should but my diet helps me keep really good skin for my age and I believe firmly that my relatively high intake of nutrient rich veggies is in part responsible.

I absolutely agree that they are essential to a healthy body. I'm just simply saying I don't agree with the concept of them being used as replacements for other things your body needs. (IE: good carbs & protien).

Well, the majority of calories from my daily "super salad" comes from veggies, eggs, dressing, and pasta. I consider it the perfect meal. Here's what it has in it: lettuce, baby spinach, mushrooms, beets, cucumbers, carrots (shredded), egg whites (and probably 1/4 yolk total), baby tomatoes, red grapes and raisins (awesome antiox), sunflower seeds, pasta in vinegar w/ some chunks of cheese, and red wine vinegar (breaks up pasta starch in the stomach before it can be stored as fat) + regular ranch dressing (studies in the latest Men's Health show that regular dressing with more fat will allow the body to absorb 15X more fat soluable vit/min like beta carotene so skip the light dressings). I spend about $6 a day at the supermarket for this lunch salad, it's probably about 1500 calories and I never gain weight. I usually eat a regular chicken sandwich (canned 98% fat free) on whole wheat bread, and a customized slow burning protein (from proteinfactory.com) milkshake for breakfast.

I am sorry but I that's not good nutrition. Consuming 1500 calories is never good unless you are a 300 lbs boxer. A comment on the slow digesting protein shake: you should drink that before bed because your body does most of the protein processing during the first 4 hours of sleep, so its good to have protein in stock then.

Here's my diet:

Breakfast: 2 cup natural non-instant oatmeal with honey + 1 cup light cottage cheese + handful of almonds + green tea.

Snack: Half Turkey sandwich with mustard, lettuce, tomatos + a cup of natural yogurt + 1 apple

Lunch: Salad with chicken breast or at times baked fish (not a big portion)

Snack: Other half of the Turkey sandwich + a glass of milk + a peach.

Dinner: Steak + fish + chicken (any lean meat) + steamed veggies

Snack before bed: slow digesting protein shake + 2 tablespoons of natural, unsalted, unsweetened peanut butter.

This is just a sample of my daily diet. It keeps my metabolism up and running 24/7 and is rich in almost all nutrients.

It's dam good nutrition for my muscular 180 lb broad frame (5-6). I don't have the means to eat 6-8 meals a day like you, but when I do it's healthy. I know about slow burning protein at night, I will sometimes take one contingent upon my training schedule. I employ the bracketing method before and every workout (another custom protein with high dextrose/whey protein for fast absorption), 2 other shakes I didn't include because I only have time to work out twice a week (2 other days I do martial arts). You do what works for you, I have the metabolism of a shrew even eating 3-4 meals on nonworkout days.

How old are you?

 

[flyfish]

The fast food and medical industries have a pretty good racket going on.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: vi_edit
I just hate making comparisons because people pick extremes and use them as absolutes.

Yes I, I know you can get a snickers bar for $.50. Yes I know a bag of Doritos is only $.99 for the big grab. Add in whatever concentrated lump of bleached white flour, saturated fat, and HFCS you want....

The problem is that THESE AREN'T MEALS. They never were meant to be. But people try to say that they are. These are snack items and are add ons to ones daily caloric intake.

So many people want to make the argument that it's cheaper to buy that crap. So what ifi it is. These aren't things for meals and never were intended to be. But they try and pass them off as such.

Veggies aren't meals either. They are supplements and "fillers" and should never be compared calorie for calorie to something like a cheeseburger.

Eating healthy isn't for the rich. It's for the motivated. It takes actual effort to plan out a balanced diet and actually stick to it.

But living the life of convienience and giving in to your bodies internal craving for fat and sugar is so much easier.

Look at the statisitics, even the rich are closing in on the poor in the obesitiy trend. Think that they can't afford to eat better?

It's a choice and nothing more.

beg to differ with you here but I have veggies only lunches several times a week and regard them as more than mere "fillers"

I would beg to differ with him too. I never eat veggies since I view them strictly as garnish. I'ma practicing meatatarian.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: forfor

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: forfor

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: vi_edit

beg to differ with you here but I have veggies only lunches several times a week and regard them as more than mere "fillers"

Your typical veggies - greens, tomatoes, onions, carrots, peppers, broccoli, ect are fillers. Nothing more. They "fill in the gaps" in nutrition and provide satiation. They on their own provide little caloric content or are energy sources. The fiber and volume they provide fill you up and help with digestion. They aren't replacements for carbs, fat or protiens.

I have come to really enjoy the taste of steamed or lightly sauteed veggies and consider them very important in my diet for a lot of reasons. the antitoxidents they provide, the proterction against colon cancer.

I don't exercise as much as I should but my diet helps me keep really good skin for my age and I believe firmly that my relatively high intake of nutrient rich veggies is in part responsible.

I absolutely agree that they are essential to a healthy body. I'm just simply saying I don't agree with the concept of them being used as replacements for other things your body needs. (IE: good carbs & protien).

Well, the majority of calories from my daily "super salad" comes from veggies, eggs, dressing, and pasta. I consider it the perfect meal. Here's what it has in it: lettuce, baby spinach, mushrooms, beets, cucumbers, carrots (shredded), egg whites (and probably 1/4 yolk total), baby tomatoes, red grapes and raisins (awesome antiox), sunflower seeds, pasta in vinegar w/ some chunks of cheese, and red wine vinegar (breaks up pasta starch in the stomach before it can be stored as fat) + regular ranch dressing (studies in the latest Men's Health show that regular dressing with more fat will allow the body to absorb 15X more fat soluable vit/min like beta carotene so skip the light dressings). I spend about $6 a day at the supermarket for this lunch salad, it's probably about 1500 calories and I never gain weight. I usually eat a regular chicken sandwich (canned 98% fat free) on whole wheat bread, and a customized slow burning protein (from proteinfactory.com) milkshake for breakfast.

I am sorry but I that's not good nutrition. Consuming 1500 calories is never good unless you are a 300 lbs boxer. A comment on the slow digesting protein shake: you should drink that before bed because your body does most of the protein processing during the first 4 hours of sleep, so its good to have protein in stock then.

Here's my diet:

Breakfast: 2 cup natural non-instant oatmeal with honey + 1 cup light cottage cheese + handful of almonds + green tea.

Snack: Half Turkey sandwich with mustard, lettuce, tomatos + a cup of natural yogurt + 1 apple

Lunch: Salad with chicken breast or at times baked fish (not a big portion)

Snack: Other half of the Turkey sandwich + a glass of milk + a peach.

Dinner: Steak + fish + chicken (any lean meat) + steamed veggies

Snack before bed: slow digesting protein shake + 2 tablespoons of natural, unsalted, unsweetened peanut butter.

This is just a sample of my daily diet. It keeps my metabolism up and running 24/7 and is rich in almost all nutrients.

It's dam good nutrition for my muscular 180 lb broad frame (5-6). I don't have the means to eat 6-8 meals a day like you, but when I do it's healthy. I know about slow burning protein at night, I will sometimes take one contingent upon my training schedule. I employ the bracketing method before and every workout (another custom protein with high dextrose/whey protein for fast absorption), 2 other shakes I didn't include because I only have time to work out twice a week (2 other days I do martial arts). You do what works for you, I have the metabolism of a shrew even eating 3-4 meals on nonworkout days.

How old are you?

29

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: forfor

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: forfor

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: vi_edit

beg to differ with you here but I have veggies only lunches several times a week and regard them as more than mere "fillers"

Your typical veggies - greens, tomatoes, onions, carrots, peppers, broccoli, ect are fillers. Nothing more. They "fill in the gaps" in nutrition and provide satiation. They on their own provide little caloric content or are energy sources. The fiber and volume they provide fill you up and help with digestion. They aren't replacements for carbs, fat or protiens.

I have come to really enjoy the taste of steamed or lightly sauteed veggies and consider them very important in my diet for a lot of reasons. the antitoxidents they provide, the proterction against colon cancer.

I don't exercise as much as I should but my diet helps me keep really good skin for my age and I believe firmly that my relatively high intake of nutrient rich veggies is in part responsible.

I absolutely agree that they are essential to a healthy body. I'm just simply saying I don't agree with the concept of them being used as replacements for other things your body needs. (IE: good carbs & protien).

Well, the majority of calories from my daily "super salad" comes from veggies, eggs, dressing, and pasta. I consider it the perfect meal. Here's what it has in it: lettuce, baby spinach, mushrooms, beets, cucumbers, carrots (shredded), egg whites (and probably 1/4 yolk total), baby tomatoes, red grapes and raisins (awesome antiox), sunflower seeds, pasta in vinegar w/ some chunks of cheese, and red wine vinegar (breaks up pasta starch in the stomach before it can be stored as fat) + regular ranch dressing (studies in the latest Men's Health show that regular dressing with more fat will allow the body to absorb 15X more fat soluable vit/min like beta carotene so skip the light dressings). I spend about $6 a day at the supermarket for this lunch salad, it's probably about 1500 calories and I never gain weight. I usually eat a regular chicken sandwich (canned 98% fat free) on whole wheat bread, and a customized slow burning protein (from proteinfactory.com) milkshake for breakfast.

I am sorry but I that's not good nutrition. Consuming 1500 calories is never good unless you are a 300 lbs boxer. A comment on the slow digesting protein shake: you should drink that before bed because your body does most of the protein processing during the first 4 hours of sleep, so its good to have protein in stock then.

Here's my diet:

Breakfast: 2 cup natural non-instant oatmeal with honey + 1 cup light cottage cheese + handful of almonds + green tea.

Snack: Half Turkey sandwich with mustard, lettuce, tomatos + a cup of natural yogurt + 1 apple

Lunch: Salad with chicken breast or at times baked fish (not a big portion)

Snack: Other half of the Turkey sandwich + a glass of milk + a peach.

Dinner: Steak + fish + chicken (any lean meat) + steamed veggies

Snack before bed: slow digesting protein shake + 2 tablespoons of natural, unsalted, unsweetened peanut butter.

This is just a sample of my daily diet. It keeps my metabolism up and running 24/7 and is rich in almost all nutrients.

It's dam good nutrition for my muscular 180 lb broad frame (5-6). I don't have the means to eat 6-8 meals a day like you, but when I do it's healthy. I know about slow burning protein at night, I will sometimes take one contingent upon my training schedule. I employ the bracketing method before and every workout (another custom protein with high dextrose/whey protein for fast absorption), 2 other shakes I didn't include because I only have time to work out twice a week (2 other days I do martial arts). You do what works for you, I have the metabolism of a shrew even eating 3-4 meals on nonworkout days.

How old are you?

29

he doesn't post on real lifting forums for a reason I think.

muscular to me is 10% BF maybe 15% or a fvking titan coming in at 220lbs and ripped. At 5'6" he is either having great genetics or just a liar.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Marinski
hey, anybody tried the new italian chicken sandwich from burger king?

mcd premium chicken burgers are superior to bks stuff. bk gives bigger portions of lower quality stuff generally