rocadelpunk
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Originally posted by: vi_edit
Eating healthy isn't for the rich. It's for the motivated. It takes actual effort to plan out a balanced diet and actually stick to it.
But living the life of convienience and giving in to your bodies internal craving for fat and sugar is so much easier.
Look at the statisitics, even the rich are closing in on the poor in the obesitiy trend. Think that they can't afford to eat better?
It's a choice and nothing more.
Originally posted by: rocadelpunk
pasta still has a lot of calories in it.
Originally posted by: vi_edit
I just hate making comparisons because people pick extremes and use them as absolutes.
Yes I, I know you can get a snickers bar for $.50. Yes I know a bag of Doritos is only $.99 for the big grab. Add in whatever concentrated lump of bleached white flour, saturated fat, and HFCS you want....
The problem is that THESE AREN'T MEALS. They never were meant to be. But people try to say that they are. These are snack items and are add ons to ones daily caloric intake.
So many people want to make the argument that it's cheaper to buy that crap. So what ifi it is. These aren't things for meals and never were intended to be. But they try and pass them off as such.
Veggies aren't meals either. They are supplements and "fillers" and should never be compared calorie for calorie to something like a cheeseburger.
Eating healthy isn't for the rich. It's for the motivated. It takes actual effort to plan out a balanced diet and actually stick to it.
But living the life of convienience and giving in to your bodies internal craving for fat and sugar is so much easier.
Look at the statisitics, even the rich are closing in on the poor in the obesitiy trend. Think that they can't afford to eat better?
It's a choice and nothing more.
beg to differ with you here but I have veggies only lunches several times a week and regard them as more than mere "fillers"
Originally posted by: rsd
Originally posted by: Danman
Aren't each of those 99 cents each? How did you get $3.96?
Anyway, yes, it is ridiculous what the cost of healthy good food is compared to junk like that.
The math isn't strong in this one.
.99 x 4 = $3.96
Um, veggies are actually carbs lol. Carbs that burn slow with a low GI Index which is why they are so important to eat everyday in the battle against obesity.Originally posted by: vi_edit
beg to differ with you here but I have veggies only lunches several times a week and regard them as more than mere "fillers"
Your typical veggies - greens, tomatoes, onions, carrots, peppers, broccoli, ect are fillers. Nothing more. They "fill in the gaps" in nutrition and provide satiation. They on their own provide little caloric content or are energy sources. The fiber and volume they provide fill you up and help with digestion. They aren't replacements for carbs, fat or protiens.
It's definitely a 2-edged sword, however someone who ate crappy (say, over half their meals are pizza) can still look good with excessive exercise, so I would say exercise is more than 50%, maybe even 75%.Originally posted by: Apex
Originally posted by: Vic
Exercise is only half the equation.Originally posted by: SP33Demon
So overabundance and non organic food is why we're fat today? Highly doubtful, I could eat a salad and a tuna/chicken sandwich everyday and not be overweight. I will agree that some common synthesized chemicals like HFCSyrup contribute significantly, but overall you can still choose non organic foods that are healthy today (fish, chicken, salads, milk, yogurt, eggs, etc) . Just because there are more refined chemicals on the market and fast/fatty foods are cheap doesn't mean we absolutely have to ingest them.Originally posted by: Vic
The REAL reason.
Not too long ago, it was widely believed that population increases would lead to widespread starvation. Government agencies around the world worked with farmers, agricultural companies, food processors, etc. in order to increase yields and maximize nutritional content. Unfortunately, the fears proved to be overstated and now we have an overabudance. The "organic" foods movement is the backlash to this BTW.
I think the computer/video game revolution, more movies to choose from, more channels on TV resulting in a lack of exercise/being active contribute more to obesity than GMO foods and chemicals. I can ingest fatty foods but will remain skinny as long as I'm excercising like a champ (albeit it's tougher to keep the weight off with fatty vs healthy food).
Probably right. With the other 50% made up of genetics and diet.
It ultimately comes down to personal responsibility though. It's the 2-edged sword of a free society.![]()
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Bag of fresh ready to eat green beans = $3.79 200 calories
Wendy's Jr. Bacon Cheeseburger, 5 piece crispy chicken nuggets, small french fries and a small soda = $3.96 1310 calories (includes condiments)
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Um, veggies are actually carbs lol. Carbs that burn slow with a low GI Index which is why they are so important to eat everyday in the battle against obesity.Originally posted by: vi_edit
beg to differ with you here but I have veggies only lunches several times a week and regard them as more than mere "fillers"
Your typical veggies - greens, tomatoes, onions, carrots, peppers, broccoli, ect are fillers. Nothing more. They "fill in the gaps" in nutrition and provide satiation. They on their own provide little caloric content or are energy sources. The fiber and volume they provide fill you up and help with digestion. They aren't replacements for carbs, fat or protiens.
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
You can also buy big bags of rice, beans, and noodles and cook up some healthy food for cheaper than fast food.
I made a pasta w/ tuna that would feed about 12 people for around 25 dollars. It tasted good too.
25.00 = jr. bacon cheese burger and fries for 12.5 people. with zero prep time.
Originally posted by: Wheezer
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
You can also buy big bags of rice, beans, and noodles and cook up some healthy food for cheaper than fast food.
I made a pasta w/ tuna that would feed about 12 people for around 25 dollars. It tasted good too.
25.00 = jr. bacon cheese burger and fries for 12.5 people. with zero prep time.
that is the key right there, people would rather eat unhealthy and do no work rather than eat healthy and do some work.
The path of least resistance is easy to get onto and follow.
Originally posted by: vi_edit
beg to differ with you here but I have veggies only lunches several times a week and regard them as more than mere "fillers"
Your typical veggies - greens, tomatoes, onions, carrots, peppers, broccoli, ect are fillers. Nothing more. They "fill in the gaps" in nutrition and provide satiation. They on their own provide little caloric content or are energy sources. The fiber and volume they provide fill you up and help with digestion. They aren't replacements for carbs, fat or protiens.
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Bag of fresh ready to eat green beans = $3.79 200 calories
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Maybe in gross dollars spent, but as a ratio of education spending/GNP, I'd be willing to bet that we are far from the top.
That's not even relevant lol. The bottom line is we spend more money per child than anywhere in the world.
Do some research on Kansas City's public schools and what happened to them after spending billions of dollars to "make them better".
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Originally posted by: vi_edit
beg to differ with you here but I have veggies only lunches several times a week and regard them as more than mere "fillers"
Your typical veggies - greens, tomatoes, onions, carrots, peppers, broccoli, ect are fillers. Nothing more. They "fill in the gaps" in nutrition and provide satiation. They on their own provide little caloric content or are energy sources. The fiber and volume they provide fill you up and help with digestion. They aren't replacements for carbs, fat or protiens.
I have come to really enjoy the taste of steamed or lightly sauteed veggies and consider them very important in my diet for a lot of reasons. the antitoxidents they provide, the proterction against colon cancer.
I don't exercise as much as I should but my diet helps me keep really good skin for my age and I believe firmly that my relatively high intake of nutrient rich veggies is in part responsible.
Well, the majority of calories from my daily "super salad" comes from veggies, eggs, dressing, and pasta. I consider it the perfect meal. Here's what it has in it: lettuce, baby spinach, mushrooms, beets, cucumbers, carrots (shredded), egg whites (and probably 1/4 yolk total), baby tomatoes, red grapes and raisins (awesome antiox), sunflower seeds, pasta in vinegar w/ some chunks of cheese, and red wine vinegar (breaks up pasta starch in the stomach before it can be stored as fat) + regular ranch dressing (studies in the latest Men's Health show that regular dressing with more fat will allow the body to absorb 15X more fat soluable vit/min like beta carotene so skip the light dressings). I spend about $6 a day at the supermarket for this lunch salad, it's probably about 1500 calories and I never gain weight. I usually eat a regular chicken sandwich (canned 98% fat free) on whole wheat bread, and a customized slow burning protein (from proteinfactory.com) milkshake for breakfast.Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Originally posted by: vi_edit
beg to differ with you here but I have veggies only lunches several times a week and regard them as more than mere "fillers"
Your typical veggies - greens, tomatoes, onions, carrots, peppers, broccoli, ect are fillers. Nothing more. They "fill in the gaps" in nutrition and provide satiation. They on their own provide little caloric content or are energy sources. The fiber and volume they provide fill you up and help with digestion. They aren't replacements for carbs, fat or protiens.
I have come to really enjoy the taste of steamed or lightly sauteed veggies and consider them very important in my diet for a lot of reasons. the antitoxidents they provide, the proterction against colon cancer.
I don't exercise as much as I should but my diet helps me keep really good skin for my age and I believe firmly that my relatively high intake of nutrient rich veggies is in part responsible.
I absolutely agree that they are essential to a healthy body. I'm just simply saying I don't agree with the concept of them being used as replacements for other things your body needs. (IE: good carbs & protien).