Why water cooling is bad..

[demonbane23]

yeah for water cooling I can recomend the swiftech options,, im running the H20- Apex extreme and havent had a any problems I was running really low temps on my pentium D like bellow 30c so I cant say it was a temperature issue...

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: demonbane23

Originally posted by: stevty2889
The freakin think won't overclock at all, windows won't finish loading at 3.1ghz, even though the temps are still low. Running dual prime95 and looping 3dmark01 it's running at 39c, but won't OC at all. THe asrock motherboard has no voltage options, so I can't increase the vcore to see if thats the problem. Using the water block from the thermaltake bigwater. I think I damaged it when I took it out of my pentium-4 system before, I took it apart to clean it, and think I gave it a slight crack when I put it back together.

dont feel bad about the over clocking I couldnt get my pentium d 820 on the top of the line asus P5N32-sli board with ocz gold ram to overclock, It wouldnt post or it would give me overclock failures or it would fail in prime and 3dmark the nforce4 sucks for AMD and it was a nightmare,,, i RMA all I could and I ebayed the rest ,,,

I have a DFI expert and opt 170 with ballistix z503 that should be here on weds,,,

as for the water cooling you should always run a 24 hour leak test with just jumping the power supply and no power to the board or any devices its just to dangerous,, im glad yo lucked out,,,,

Many reviewers had same problem. I don't whether you caught the dual core torture tests over at THG when they were occuring (he whitewashed most of it since) but that board crashed 4 x first day of testing. I'd prolly stay away from NV on intel unless these issues have been resolved since.


Oh an you got about best setup i can think of coming. Best of luck and welcome to forums

 

[Jen]

sorry to hear of your problems with watercooling

i have been watercooling since 1998

only twice have i tried air cooling since that time , both times i have sold the air heatsinks and went back to watercooling. silence to me is golden and thats what i want in watercooling


hugs


Jen

 

[Zebo]

That's exactly why I'm into to Jen.. could care less about performance per se, in fact my current loop is'nt much better than high end air cooling dispite having a tripple radiator!! but it allows me to run those low 700rpm 120mmfans like Nexus at 7V put every heat generating source into loop and be silent all while running high heat generating lastest and greatest... Pretty neat having a 'god box' so to speak quieter than our lampshade imac.

 

[stevty2889]

Well in any case, it's running nice and cool, and quiet, and definatly working better than air cooling. I am gonna slowly upgrade the water cooling kit, first I'll replace the waterblock with that swiftech you linked me to, then I'll replace the pump. Then early next year I'll replace the pentium-d with a yonah, or maybe a presler if they will give us a discount on those.

 

[Bushman5]

tjats wat u get for buying intel

 

[w00t]

ya, you need to make sure when you do a leak test to touch it with some paper towells and stuff just to make sure even if you cant see it scary stuff you would of had a better chance using some distilled water than it wouldnt be ruined maybe.

 

[Doctorweir]

Well, it pays to test the cooling with everything in final position, unhook all power connectors but the pump and jumpstart the power supply...
If it leaks, ok, you got the mess but if it works you know it works...

Did you try the Bigwater SE? One thing I also discovered on the waterblock were the screws not bein fully tightened, which I checked before installing...

BTW, the Bigwater has the downside of the plastic involved, but despite several reviews stating otherwise, the tubing in the radiator is also copper...only the fins are aluminium.

Also being a silence-lover I started with the Bigwater SE to have a look at watercooling. IMHO a really nice budget thing to start with. But I definitely will upgrade to higher quality parts in the future...

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: Doctorweir
Well, it pays to test the cooling with everything in final position, unhook all power connectors but the pump and jumpstart the power supply...
If it leaks, ok, you got the mess but if it works you know it works...

Did you try the Bigwater SE? One thing I also discovered on the waterblock were the screws not bein fully tightened, which I checked before installing...

BTW, the Bigwater has the downside of the plastic involved, but despite several reviews stating otherwise, the tubing in the radiator is also copper...only the fins are aluminium.

Also being a silence-lover I started with the Bigwater SE to have a look at watercooling. IMHO a really nice budget thing to start with. But I definitely will upgrade to higher quality parts in the future...

Yeah, the radiator seems to be just fine, probably the highest quality part in the kit. But the waterblock is definatly far from the best, and the pump could be better too. Despite the not so great reviews the bigwater gets, it is certainly doing a good job keeping this mega-hot pentium-D cool, after prime95'ing for 10 hours now, still hasn't gotten over 41c, compared to the 70c it was running at with air, and nice and quiet at the same time.

 

[stevty2889]

After seeing this, I really want to water cool a Presler. Stable at 4.5ghz? Booted to windows at 4.8ghz on air? If they can really be stable at 4.5ghz, then overclocked they could give the X2 some competition for a change. I'd like to see technonut vapochill one of those.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: stevty2889
After seeing this, I really want to water cool a Presler. Stable at 4.5ghz? Booted to windows at 4.8ghz on air? If they can really be stable at 4.5ghz, then overclocked they could give the X2 some competition for a change. I'd like to see technonut vapochill one of those.

65nm seems to be golden.:thumbsup: AMD better get movin

 

[Zebo]

BTW, the Bigwater has the downside of the plastic involved, but despite several reviews stating otherwise, the tubing in the radiator is also copper...only the fins are aluminium.

Thanks for the correction Doc, I seen same reviews and thought they could'nt be that dumb..which I why I said think they use al. At anyrate one can put together a much nicer system for not that much more so I question the value of Big water since upgrade will be emminet and quality is suspect.

 

[Doctorweir]

For now I'm a happy camper with the setup. As far as quality of the Bigwater SE is concerned I didn't have the "cheap stuff"-feeling while setting up. IMHO a well balanced kit for starters into the WC world (like myself ) with sufficient quality.
Gave me the possibility to run 0.05V less on the processor, runs 8C cooler then and most important: Same noise level as the CNPS7700Cu in idle (active fan control) and exactly same noise level under full load as in idle, where the Zalman shoots off to the high rpms...
To further conquer noise in the future I would lean towards the Zalman Reserator Plus...hmmm...

 

[Zebo]

Zalman Reserator Plus...

Ghetto - i don' like any setup w/ stuff hanging off of case, tubes running outside of case, or a big tower of nothing sitting near It also requires some care if you live in SW USA.. like keep in shade and maybe even run a room fan to achive decent temps.

 

[biostud]

glad to hear everything went well. I ran my setup overnight for leak testing before I even thought of powering on the computer. I'm also all about silence so I have my three 1250rpm fans running at 40% voltage (nice to be able to control pump and fans through Asetek Software)

And watercooling isn't bad. As you stated yourself this was due to a user error

 

[Doctorweir]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Zalman Reserator Plus...

Ghetto - i don' like any setup w/ stuff hanging off of case, tubes running outside of case, or a big tower of nothing sitting near It also requires some care if you live in SW USA.. like keep in shade and maybe even run a room fan to achive decent temps.

That's true...the everything-in-one-box-approach is the better one
And I also still doubt the sufficiency of full passive cooling, especially when squeezing full performance out of your rig in summertime

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Doctorweir

Originally posted by: Zebo

Zalman Reserator Plus...

Ghetto - i don' like any setup w/ stuff hanging off of case, tubes running outside of case, or a big tower of nothing sitting near It also requires some care if you live in SW USA.. like keep in shade and maybe even run a room fan to achive decent temps.

That's true...the everything-in-one-box-approach is the better one
And I also still doubt the sufficiency of full passive cooling, especially when squeezing full performance out of your rig in summertime

I have my radiator mounted outside the case, it's not passive cooled though

 

[Doctorweir]

Originally posted by: biostud
I have my radiator mounted outside the case, it's not passive cooled though

Hehe...mounting a 3x120mm radiator inside the case would be a challenge...unless it's some uber-tower...

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Doctorweir

Originally posted by: biostud
I have my radiator mounted outside the case, it's not passive cooled though

Hehe...mounting a 3x120mm radiator inside the case would be a challenge...unless it's some uber-tower...

That's what i got with Lian Li PC-73SL and BIP III on top

Currenty building a wavemaster w/ 2 x 120 for jr..
http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~smanning/DSCF0078.JPG

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Doctorweir

Originally posted by: biostud
I have my radiator mounted outside the case, it's not passive cooled though

Hehe...mounting a 3x120mm radiator inside the case would be a challenge...unless it's some uber-tower...

That's what i got with Lian Li PC-73SL and BIP III on top

Currenty building a wavemaster w/ 2 x 120 for jr..
http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~smanning/DSCF0078.JPG

well, the most advanced tools I have are a screwdriver and a hammer.
While it would be cool to have it mounted in the case, my case (Old Chieftech miditower) is tugged away underneath my disk so it's ok.

 

[VStrom]

Originally posted by: biostud
And watercooling isn't bad. As you stated yourself this was due to a user error

Yes, the title shoud read "Why watercooling CAN BE bad"