Originally posted by: rise
looks at signature :Q fx and raptor... since when did $/perf. matter to you??I ended up going with the X1950 Pro just because it was the best performance per dollar...![]()
HEY
but not as good as raid barracudas?
Originally posted by: rise
looks at signature :Q fx and raptor... since when did $/perf. matter to you??I ended up going with the X1950 Pro just because it was the best performance per dollar...![]()
Originally posted by: swtethan
xDarc is paid by ATI :Q
Originally posted by: rise
looks at signature :Q fx and raptor... since when did $/perf. matter to you??I ended up going with the X1950 Pro just because it was the best performance per dollar...![]()
Originally posted by: bamacre
We've all been screwed over throughout the years. Memory prices for one, they've been nailed twice now price-fixing. Serioulsy, this is messed up. We were paying over $200 for 2GB kits of DDR2 less than 6 months ago, and what, two weeks ago, we saw $59 shipped free for a 2GB kit.
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: swtethan
xDarc is paid by ATI :Q
You own an nVidia card, you must be paid by nVidia...
Originally posted by: golem
Originally posted by: bamacre
We've all been screwed over throughout the years. Memory prices for one, they've been nailed twice now price-fixing. Serioulsy, this is messed up. We were paying over $200 for 2GB kits of DDR2 less than 6 months ago, and what, two weeks ago, we saw $59 shipped free for a 2GB kit.
Memory is not really a good example. It's so cheap because Memory manufacturers ramped up production in expectation of huge demand due to Vista. When that failed to materialize, they had to drop prices because of oversupply. Samsung is stopping sales to OEMs because they are asking for prices below cost.
Originally posted by: swtethan
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: swtethan
xDarc is paid by ATI :Q
You own an nVidia card, you must be paid by nVidia...
says the guy with the 1950pro :Q
I must be paid by ATI also since i have ATI cards?
Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
I agree with the OP. I ended up going with the X1950 Pro just because it was the best performance per dollar - that and I needed a card in the short term. I was really hoping R600 was going to be a knockout and be able to buy a mid-range R600 that would be about 50% greater performance than my X1950 Pro. Thanks for nothing ATI. Since the launch the 8800 series of cards have actually gone UP slightly in price.
In my opinion DX10 is vaporware at preasent. People who paid big bucks for 8800s six months ago were out of their minds. Half a year later where are the DX10 titles? On top of that it turns out all that kick ass Crysis footage we all oogled over (prior to May2007 footage) was actually rendered in DX9 anyway - so Crysis is still going to be great even on DX9 cards!
8800GTX is near twice as fast in DX9 as the fastest DX9 only card. I fail to see how they are out of their minds?
As many before me have mentioned, DX10 on G80 is just a perk.
Then those people dont have to buy an 8800 series card. They can buy a $200 X1950XT and be done with it.Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
I agree with the OP. I ended up going with the X1950 Pro just because it was the best performance per dollar - that and I needed a card in the short term. I was really hoping R600 was going to be a knockout and be able to buy a mid-range R600 that would be about 50% greater performance than my X1950 Pro. Thanks for nothing ATI. Since the launch the 8800 series of cards have actually gone UP slightly in price.
In my opinion DX10 is vaporware at preasent. People who paid big bucks for 8800s six months ago were out of their minds. Half a year later where are the DX10 titles? On top of that it turns out all that kick ass Crysis footage we all oogled over (prior to May2007 footage) was actually rendered in DX9 anyway - so Crysis is still going to be great even on DX9 cards!
8800GTX is near twice as fast in DX9 as the fastest DX9 only card. I fail to see how they are out of their minds?
As many before me have mentioned, DX10 on G80 is just a perk.
But you also fail to realize that most of the gaming public does not go above 1280x1024 for their gaming. They don't need an 8800 anything to play at that resolution with today's games. That's the issue I've been referring to that everyone seems to have forgotten or missed. I know all about super high resolutions, but not everyone has a 30" monitor. Sure big monitors in the range of 24"+ is becomming more commin, but it isn't true to say that a majority of the gamers have these monitors. Lets face it, most gamers don't even build their own PC. They buy a Dell or Alienware with a 19" LCD that comes with the package and maybe later they say "hey this new videocard can give me faster gaming".
Originally posted by: Matt2
Just because xDarc is ok with turning down the settings to make his X1900GT playable, that doesnt mean that I am willing to turn down my settings at all.
Originally posted by: grumpyboy
Nice well written post but I disagree with your premise.
The only way to remain sane and spend money on computer gaming and comsumer elctronics in general.
Is to see them as a consumable, like food, drink etc.
Its funny its most people including my self will grumble and moan about spending 60 bucks on a vital pc part.
And than spend that at a bar or resturant without complaint (well not much anyway)
Computer gaming is much less ephemeral than some forms of entertainment
Very few marterial things hold monitary value for any extended period of time,
Only rare materials, property or artistically crafted objects tend to hold their value or increase it.
And lets not get too nostalgic about the past.
In 1994 and 1995 a typical Pentium based PC system typically cost around $1800 to $2500
And dont forget 2000 grand was worth a lot more then than now.
The 3dfx voodoo 5 6000 GPU cost around 600 dollars in the year 2000.
And as for games I remember going to the store and thinking jeuz most of these games are crap.
And they were not any cheaper in real terms either.
A huge chunk of computer games from any period are trash.
Theirs probably only a couple of dozen really stand out games in given year
For every single game that you remember theirs hundreds you dont.
Annway thats beside the point lets be honest many people reading this probably
spend many times price of a 8800 gtx on a holiday that may only last a week
Its not abnormal for individuals to spend hundreds of dollars on a fancy meal.
Ild be the first to admit spending what I did on 8800 gtx was idiotic and shameful in a way
But it sure has been fun.![]()
Originally posted by: adairusmc
Originally posted by: grumpyboy
Nice well written post but I disagree with your premise.
The only way to remain sane and spend money on computer gaming and comsumer elctronics in general.
Is to see them as a consumable, like food, drink etc.
Its funny its most people including my self will grumble and moan about spending 60 bucks on a vital pc part.
And than spend that at a bar or resturant without complaint (well not much anyway)
Computer gaming is much less ephemeral than some forms of entertainment
Very few marterial things hold monitary value for any extended period of time,
Only rare materials, property or artistically crafted objects tend to hold their value or increase it.
And lets not get too nostalgic about the past.
In 1994 and 1995 a typical Pentium based PC system typically cost around $1800 to $2500
And dont forget 2000 grand was worth a lot more then than now.
The 3dfx voodoo 5 6000 GPU cost around 600 dollars in the year 2000.
And as for games I remember going to the store and thinking jeuz most of these games are crap.
And they were not any cheaper in real terms either.
A huge chunk of computer games from any period are trash.
Theirs probably only a couple of dozen really stand out games in given year
For every single game that you remember theirs hundreds you dont.
Annway thats beside the point lets be honest many people reading this probably
spend many times price of a 8800 gtx on a holiday that may only last a week
Its not abnormal for individuals to spend hundreds of dollars on a fancy meal.
Ild be the first to admit spending what I did on 8800 gtx was idiotic and shameful in a way
But it sure has been fun.![]()
:thumbsup:
But you also fail to realize that most of the gaming public does not go above 1280x1024 for their gaming. They don't need an 8800 anything to play at that resolution with today's games. That's the issue I've been referring to that everyone seems to have forgotten or missed. I know all about super high resolutions, but not everyone has a 30" monitor. Sure big monitors in the range of 24"+ is becomming more commin, but it isn't true to say that a majority of the gamers have these monitors. Lets face it, most gamers don't even build their own PC. They buy a Dell or Alienware with a 19" LCD that comes with the package and maybe later they say "hey this new videocard can give me faster gaming".
Originally posted by: golem
But you also fail to realize that most of the gaming public does not go above 1280x1024 for their gaming. They don't need an 8800 anything to play at that resolution with today's games. That's the issue I've been referring to that everyone seems to have forgotten or missed. I know all about super high resolutions, but not everyone has a 30" monitor. Sure big monitors in the range of 24"+ is becomming more commin, but it isn't true to say that a majority of the gamers have these monitors. Lets face it, most gamers don't even build their own PC. They buy a Dell or Alienware with a 19" LCD that comes with the package and maybe later they say "hey this new videocard can give me faster gaming".
How does a GTX being priced at 500 to 600 affect them then if they don't need it or would be likely to buy it???
Originally posted by: CaiNaM
Originally posted by: golem
But you also fail to realize that most of the gaming public does not go above 1280x1024 for their gaming. They don't need an 8800 anything to play at that resolution with today's games. That's the issue I've been referring to that everyone seems to have forgotten or missed. I know all about super high resolutions, but not everyone has a 30" monitor. Sure big monitors in the range of 24"+ is becomming more commin, but it isn't true to say that a majority of the gamers have these monitors. Lets face it, most gamers don't even build their own PC. They buy a Dell or Alienware with a 19" LCD that comes with the package and maybe later they say "hey this new videocard can give me faster gaming".
How does a GTX being priced at 500 to 600 affect them then if they don't need it or would be likely to buy it???
perhaps the premise is that those who either want or need the high end video cards messes up the market for those who don't really need it but just want it?
Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
A great buy with DX10 and no DX10 showcase? That's the problem I have. I'm betting that these cards will have low performance in DX10 vs the cards that will be out later this year. That's a given obviously, but when you nitpicked my first point let me explain something.
There is NO and I mean NO game that I don't get at least 30fps in on my X1900xt. At this time 2 years ago there was many games that killed my card and was almost unplayable forcing an upgrade at the time. We're talking 1 year and there is nothing that makes me want to upgrade, It used to be different. $600 for a few extra FPS is not worth it
