Why this reversal?

[magomago]

So I'm finally back after many months, and I spent a while going through the latest domestic news. This involves reading through posts (although it seems like there are more insults than usual, which quickly speeds up how much I get through) This is what I've seen:

Those who side with Democrats are acting the way that those who support Republicans once acted.

Those who side with Republicans are acting the way that those who sided with the Democrats did.

Now I'm not saying D/R specifically...I'm looking at those who support them. I can't say this applies to everyone, but there is at least this significant segment (and you can clearly see examples by various posters here...however I'm not here to call anyone out) to which it is clearly true.

It is pretty amazing - those who lean towards the Democrats (LD), who lambasted Republican-leaner (LR) for not trying to 'make compromises' and 'reaching across the isle' are all giddy at Democrats locking out Republicans from the decision making process. I spent a lot of time joining LD in denouncing this in the past when Republicans were at the helm, and for them to simply go and do the same thing under 'well they did it first!!!!' is ridiculous.

At the same time, the fact that LR talk about how there isn't enough 'compromise' and 'aisle reaching' is laughable considering the hippocracy. It boils down to a this general pattern: defend an act that was committed during Republican leadership --> when the leadership switches, talk about how he Democrats are even WORSE and pretend to ignore everything the Republicans said, as well as what was previously advocated. The most laughable (and I LOLed outloud) instance was when I read someone lambasting the Democrats for manipulating people through fear, without thinking about what Republican leadership did for 8 years. It is amazing that they talk about 'compromise' when they previously laughed at that and called people 'liberrrulll pansies' who advocated just that.

As a whole it boils down to this:


1) Be an asshole and support your side when it is in power.
2) Act humble and pretend as if you never committed those transgressions when your side is the minority power.



I'd like to end this post with a

for what happened in Gaza. One nice thing about traveling internationally: you really understand how Pro Israel we are in the USA. It is sickening that we seem to allow this to occur. I'm not shallow enough to take a simple black and white approach (although some people here advocate just that...ridiculous) and condemn only one side...but I do hope that the future can be better (because the present is currently shit)

Anyways, glad to be back in the wonderful U S of A. No place like home!

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: magomago
So I'm finally back after many months, and I spent a while going through the latest domestic news. This involves reading through posts (although it seems like there are more insults than usual, which quickly speeds up how much I get through) This is what I've seen:

Those who side with Democrats are acting the way that those who support Republicans once acted.

Those who side with Republicans are acting the way that those who sided with the Democrats did.

Now I'm not saying D/R specifically...I'm looking at those who support them. I can't say this applies to everyone, but there is at least this significant segment (and you can clearly see examples by various posters here...however I'm not here to call anyone out) to which it is clearly true.

It is pretty amazing - those who lean towards the Democrats (LD), who lambasted Republican-leaner (LR) for not trying to 'make compromises' and 'reaching across the isle' are all giddy at Democrats locking out Republicans from the decision making process. I spent a lot of time joining LD in denouncing this in the past when Republicans were at the helm, and for them to simply go and do the same thing under 'well they did it first!!!!' is ridiculous.

At the same time, the fact that LR talk about how there isn't enough 'compromise' and 'aisle reaching' is laughable considering the hippocracy. It boils down to a this general pattern: defend an act that was committed during Republican leadership --> when the leadership switches, talk about how he Democrats are even WORSE and pretend to ignore everything the Republicans said, as well as what was previously advocated. The most laughable (and I LOLed outloud) instance was when I read someone lambasting the Democrats for manipulating people through fear, without thinking about what Republican leadership did for 8 years. It is amazing that they talk about 'compromise' when they previously laughed at that and called people 'liberrrulll pansies' who advocated just that.

As a whole it boils down to this:


1) Be an asshole and support your side when it is in power.
2) Act humble and pretend as if you never committed those transgressions when your side is the minority power.



I'd like to end this post with a

for what happened in Gaza. One nice thing about traveling internationally: you really understand how Pro Israel we are in the USA. It is sickening that we seem to allow this to occur. I'm not shallow enough to take a simple black and white approach (although some people here advocate just that...ridiculous) and condemn only one side...but I do hope that the future can be better (because the present is currently shit)

Anyways, glad to be back in the wonderful U S of A. No place like home!

A good post, other than - who are you referring to who 'condemns only one side', which you imply for some is Israel, and has no criticism of the Palestinian side?

I also think you're greatly exaggerating the Democrats' wrong at blocking out the Republicans from policy.

Two things to note - there is a hell of a lot to undo from the 8 years of Republicans that's going to be pretty one-sided, and the Democrats have partnered a LOT better with the Republicans than they other way around, for example, the President meeting with Republican House leaders on the Stimulus bill, and changing many billions in it as they wanted, increasing tax cuts as they wanted, to get zero voted for it from them - contrast this to how Republicans literally locked Democrats out of 'secret' committee meetings.

 

[RichardE]

Glad you made it back, always interesting to have your perspective in the Middle east debates :beer:

 

[DealMonkey]

Why? Because that's how partisan assholes behave. Sad, but true. Welcome back to the fray MM.

 

[JS80]

welcome to politics?

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: magomago
So I'm finally back after many months, and I spent a while going through the latest domestic news. This involves reading through posts (although it seems like there are more insults than usual, which quickly speeds up how much I get through) This is what I've seen:

Those who side with Democrats are acting the way that those who support Republicans once acted.

Those who side with Republicans are acting the way that those who sided with the Democrats did.

Now I'm not saying D/R specifically...I'm looking at those who support them. I can't say this applies to everyone, but there is at least this significant segment (and you can clearly see examples by various posters here...however I'm not here to call anyone out) to which it is clearly true.

It is pretty amazing - those who lean towards the Democrats (LD), who lambasted Republican-leaner (LR) for not trying to 'make compromises' and 'reaching across the isle' are all giddy at Democrats locking out Republicans from the decision making process. I spent a lot of time joining LD in denouncing this in the past when Republicans were at the helm, and for them to simply go and do the same thing under 'well they did it first!!!!' is ridiculous.

At the same time, the fact that LR talk about how there isn't enough 'compromise' and 'aisle reaching' is laughable considering the hippocracy. It boils down to a this general pattern: defend an act that was committed during Republican leadership --> when the leadership switches, talk about how he Democrats are even WORSE and pretend to ignore everything the Republicans said, as well as what was previously advocated. The most laughable (and I LOLed outloud) instance was when I read someone lambasting the Democrats for manipulating people through fear, without thinking about what Republican leadership did for 8 years. It is amazing that they talk about 'compromise' when they previously laughed at that and called people 'liberrrulll pansies' who advocated just that.

As a whole it boils down to this:


1) Be an asshole and support your side when it is in power.
2) Act humble and pretend as if you never committed those transgressions when your side is the minority power.



I'd like to end this post with a

for what happened in Gaza. One nice thing about traveling internationally: you really understand how Pro Israel we are in the USA. It is sickening that we seem to allow this to occur. I'm not shallow enough to take a simple black and white approach (although some people here advocate just that...ridiculous) and condemn only one side...but I do hope that the future can be better (because the present is currently shit)

Anyways, glad to be back in the wonderful U S of A. No place like home!

A good post, other than - who are you referring to who 'condemns only one side', which you imply for some is Israel, and has no criticism of the Palestinian side?

I also think you're greatly exaggerating the Democrats' wrong at blocking out the Republicans from policy.

Two things to note - there is a hell of a lot to undo from the 8 years of Republicans that's going to be pretty one-sided, and the Democrats have partnered a LOT better with the Republicans than they other way around, for example, the President meeting with Republican House leaders on the Stimulus bill, and changing many billions in it as they wanted, increasing tax cuts as they wanted, to get zero voted for it from them - contrast this to how Republicans literally locked Democrats out of 'secret' committee meetings.

Sorry for that, I meant to say that there are certain posters who literally only blame one side (ie: palestinians) and think the Israelis are angels. But as a whole, and without wanting to derail this thread and move away from my real main topic, we are incredibly Pro Israel. I lucked on seeing a very good clip from the daily show in which John Stewart questioned this....

As for what the Ds will or will not do, we will see Craig. Obama hasn't been my, or your (or...our ), president for even a month yet. All observations are still in its early stage, but it isn't exactly what I would have liked to see. However, the rabid fervor for locking out 'the other side' by many LD is amazing. I have not forgetting the Republican policies that have occurred as well as the fervent 'pew pew' that LRs once espoused, which is why the amount of QQ coming from LRs is hypocritical.
It will be a while until we see what the Democrats as a party chooses to do, but the reversal in roles is still ridiculous.

Originally posted by: RichardE
Glad you made it back, always interesting to have your perspective in the Middle east debates :beer:

Thanks....and I hope that is a mug of Almaza =)

 

[RichardE]

Thanks....and I hope that is a mug of Almaza =)

:laugh: Man it's been a while since I heard someone ask for that

 

[OCGuy]

Politics is like a sports team to most people. Once you pick a side, you tend to blindly follow it. You root it on. You feel like its successes are yours, as well as its failures.

You overlook the bad. You rationalize the things you would probably disagree with if you could step back and look objectively.

You can take Bush striking Pakistan, a nation that we are currently not in any conflict with, for example.

When Bush was president, this was looked at by Democrats as a horrible policy that violates international law.

Flash forward to Obama doing the same thing, and there were a few responses to it.


1. Acceptance - Some people did a complete 180 and agreed with the strikes now

2. Pretending - Some pretended that all-along, they never really minded the attacks

3. Denial - "Obama has only been in office for X days, he would never do that"

4. Choosing to ignore - Im sure many people didnt even bother to post in that thread because they were distraught that their "liberal" president is a hawk on Radical Islam.


Back to the sports-team analogy, Kobe Bryant is a good example. Any time his name comes up, you can find people bashing him and pretending he isnt a good basketball player. However, if he ever was traded to their home-team, they would be wearing his jersey and attending games.

 

[lokiju]

I have a hard time understanding the never ending back and forth on politics and opinion.

It's hard for me to understand why everyone feels it so necessary to go on and on and on about their opinion while attacking someone elses.

Like it really matters that someone doesn't have the same opinion as someone else.

I know what my views are and I enjoy seeing different points of view but never have felt it necessary to attack (verbally) someone that doesn't match my views.