Why there is illegals doing the work now where I live

[soccerballtux]

You also need to get rid of government regulation. These are jobs our teenagers and young people want to make a quick buck. Illegals are stealing them because of government regulation. Less regulation, more freedom.

This is so true.
Why would I have worked at McD for $5.15/hour? I wouldn't have, except my mom made me. That was a waste of time. 4 summers at $5.15/hour and I didn't even save enough for half of 1 semester at the college I'm going to.

All 4 of my summers. Gone. For nothing. No it did not teach me the value of a dollar, it taught me the value of an hour of my life.

 

[soccerballtux]

I don't think it has to be that harsh. In any case, it was a voluntary program. And I do think it makes as much sense today as it did back then, considering how high teenage unemployment is.

Adjust the pay to inflation and we seem to have a winning formula for the blight of teenage unemployment.

That's not enough. Just ban illegal immigrant employment and just let the companies pay the market wage. I guarantee they'd have been paying us a lot more than $5.15. We had about 10 Mexicans from "Oklahoma" with Oklahoma "ID"s on the payroll.
Point is $5.15 did nothing for me. How am I supposed to buy a car, pay insurance, gas, etc. on that? And then have money for anything I actually wanted to do, like see a movie, or buy a video game, or build a computer, or whatever.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

that arizona law is stupid. there is a huge demand for workers. if it werent for illegals NOBODY in my neighborhood would have a nice looking yard. really, national borders make no sense any more. they should just tear down all borders and form a world government. it would be much easier to do business and improve the lives of all people around the world. youd have a lot less conflict around the world and any problems would be a lot easier to deal with

 

[Triumph]

I agree with the OP when he says today's kids are whimps and don't want to do the work, but also today's laws don't let kids do the work even if they want to, and I also agree that the farmer hiring the illegals shouldn't be doing that either. The whole situation is FUBAR however you look at it.

 

[Triumph]

This is so true.
Why would I have worked at McD for $5.15/hour? I wouldn't have, except my mom made me. That was a waste of time. 4 summers at $5.15/hour and I didn't even save enough for half of 1 semester at the college I'm going to.

All 4 of my summers. Gone. For nothing. No it did not teach me the value of a dollar, it taught me the value of an hour of my life.

You sound like one of the kids who probably would get out of breath chasing those turkeys or picking the corn that the OP alluded to.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Yea when I turned 18 I started demoing houses for this contractor, those Mexican cats were CRAZY with the shovel took me a few months to catch up to them. I've worked some physically taxing jobs. I moved two tons of cement in 5 gallon buckets up three flights of stairs for 100 bucks, oh and did I mention I had to mix the cement by hand?

Mud Boy!

Do you remember how many shovels of sand for each bag of cement? LOL

I'm thinking 90%+ of ATP&N wouldn't last half a day doing any real work.

I need to place 6 'yards' around the back side of my house for the 'home theater wing' and I'm too cheap to pump. Are you available?

It's only 231 wheelbarrow loads. I bet if we dump some loose stone in there we can cut it down to less than 200 loads




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[KMFJD]

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[Thump553]

So why aren't they still doing it like that here ? Government. When we worked before there were no records, no ID, no paperwork, no taxes. We showed up, got paid, went home. The state started requiring farmers to keep records on work permits , not hire the 14 year old because it is child labor, and require reporting of taxes. Add to that they also started getting targeted by lawyers out to make a dollar requiring the farmers to carry liability insurance if someone got hurt on the farm doing the work.. . .

He said it was easier to just hire an illegal who doesn't care about paperwork, insurance, or

I worked a job like you did when I was a young teen (for relatives) and my father's generation (Depression) worked the tobacco fields as kids, now all migrant labor, so I understand what you are saying and also have fond memories.

But the fact of the matter is you were illegally working off the books twenty years ago. Heat was put on your employer and so he hired a different set of employees illegally to reduce his chances of getting caught. I don't see that as an excuse or justification for your ex-employer's conduct. He may seem to be a nice guy but he was breaking the law then and is breaking it now. Unfortunately now we go after the employees instead of the enablers/exploiters.

 

[her209]

Point is $5.15 did nothing for me. How am I supposed to buy a car, pay insurance, gas, etc. on that? And then have money for anything I actually wanted to do, like see a movie, or buy a video game, or build a computer, or whatever.

Stop it with that entitlement mentality.

 

[KMFJD]

Mud Boy!

Do you remember how many shovels of sand for each bag of cement? LOL

I'm thinking 90%+ of ATP&N wouldn't last half a day doing any real work.

I need to place 6 'yards' around the back side of my house for the 'home theater wing' and I'm too cheap to pump. Are you available?

It's only 231 wheelbarrow loads. I bet if we dump some loose stone in there we can cut it down to less than 200 loads




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Only 231 wheelbarrow loads? lol been there done that....dont want to do it any longer

 

[rudder]

Oh yes, kids everywhere are lining up for manual labor jobs.

What is wrong with being a roofer or a brick mason? There use to be a time when people could make a decent living doing this type of work. Not everyone is cut out to go to college or even want that.

Now illegals have come in and companies can hire 3-4 times the number of illegal immigrant workers for the same price. The legal resident cannot afford to work for those wages because typically they are law abiding and have a different set of expenses... school lunches for the kids, car insurance, health insurance, rent for one family in a single family zoned residence, etc.

 

[Mursilis]

Point is $5.15 did nothing for me. How am I supposed to buy a car, pay insurance, gas, etc. on that? And then have money for anything I actually wanted to do, like see a movie, or buy a video game, or build a computer, or whatever.

That's what minimum wage is supposed to do - make you hate it enough to motivate your rear to better yourself so you're not stuck making $5.15 for the rest of your life. It certainly worked for me.

 

[Mursilis]

What is wrong with being a roofer or a brick mason? There use to be a time when people could make a decent living doing this type of work. Not everyone is cut out to go to college or even want that.

Very true, and having a desk job is soul-sucking in lots of ways. I respect all honest work, and I'm occasionally jealous of those not stuck within the same four walls all the time.

 

[piasabird]

Oh yes I can remember doing this job they called Flood Clean-up. We cut down brush and cleared trees away from the levy's around the Mississippi flood plain. The bugs, the heat, pushing over trees, the brrr of the chain saw. Then comes the poison ivy. That was the life. After that grant job the government paid for my college degree. So I at least got something out of the deal. Hard work is good for the soul.

I worked in a factory where I had to move iron barrels around and load the brass shells into about 30 Capper Machines that put the primers in the bottom of the shell casing. Then in my spare time I would bring in wooden boxes of the Primers so they could keep loading them in the machines. You could work all day and never get caught up, and every night it felt like you had a broken back. Another good Union Job.

 

[JSt0rm]

damn those child labor laws.

 

[Mursilis]

Hard work is good for the soul.

Yes it is. Too bad the modern welfare state seeks to destroy that lesson for today's poor. Few things not earned are ever appreciated.

 

[Linflas]

What is wrong with being a roofer or a brick mason? There use to be a time when people could make a decent living doing this type of work. Not everyone is cut out to go to college or even want that.

Now illegals have come in and companies can hire 3-4 times the number of illegal immigrant workers for the same price. The legal resident cannot afford to work for those wages because typically they are law abiding and have a different set of expenses... school lunches for the kids, car insurance, health insurance, rent for one family in a single family zoned residence, etc.

You are correct those are prefectly honorable, honest ways to earn a living but I would bet that not one person doing it for a living would want their children to follow in their footsteps. It is only natural for parents to want better for their children than what they had in life. It is sad though that vocational ed has been whittled down to almost nothing in the public school system today. There are kids that would love to have the opportunity to learn a trade and it in no way precludes them from changing their mind at a later age and going to college if that is what they want.

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

That's not enough. Just ban illegal immigrant employment and just let the companies pay the market wage. I guarantee they'd have been paying us a lot more than $5.15. We had about 10 Mexicans from "Oklahoma" with Oklahoma "ID"s on the payroll.
Point is $5.15 did nothing for me. How am I supposed to buy a car, pay insurance, gas, etc. on that? And then have money for anything I actually wanted to do, like see a movie, or buy a video game, or build a computer, or whatever.

$5.15/hour x 40 hours/week = $206/week

16 weeks/year * 206/week = $3,296/year (assuming you were out of school for summer months and didn't work at all during the school year.)

4 years * $3,296/year = $13,184

This is assuming you kept the shit job at McD's for all 4 years without a single raise, unlikely as that may be.

Take out taxes and you made yourself about $11,000. How in the FUCK did you not afford a car? How did you not save for school? It sounds like you are simply a failure and want things handed to you. I can look around and find dozens of cars for under $2,000. Maybe it couldn't afford you a Benz or an Audi, but it could've gotten you a 20-year-old clunker. And remember - driving ain't walking!

YOU ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY AND WHY THEY HIRE MEXICANS! You bitch about "how am I gonna afford a car on that?!?" and the illegals are going "Yeah I can feed my family on that! Sign me up!"

Maybe if people like YOU weren't entitled bitches and were thankful for jobs we wouldn't need illegals.

Edit: I just re-read your post and it pissed me off even more! If you are a broke-ass kid working an unskilled job at McDonald's flipping burgers then NO ONE EXPECTS YOU TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD VIDEO GAMES! Maybe instead of building a computer and watching movies you should be doing something to better yourself so you aren't stuck working shit jobs at McDonald's.

Goddamn. You fail.

 

[Modelworks]

What is wrong with being a roofer or a brick mason? There use to be a time when people could make a decent living doing this type of work. Not everyone is cut out to go to college or even want that.

This is another big issue that needs addressing more often. Schools need to stop pushing the idea that the only way to be successful or have a good life is to go to college. To back it up they say that everyone is capable of going to college and getting these dream jobs if they just try hard enough. If you drop out of school or are doing poorly at math or science the implication is you are a failure because you just were not dedicated or were not trying, that you let yourself down. It is no wonder that inner city youth turn to crime if we are telling them anything but college is a life of failure. That physical labor is demeaning.

Ever notice the responses people get to the different situations ?

"I'm going to college" - good for you
"I can't get into college" - oh, you should have tried harder,. You can probably get in if you take more classes !

After high school it is almost like you said you committed a crime when they ask what you are doing and you don't reply college . Some people are just not going to be good at academics and to look down on them because of it is no different than judging people by skin color. I always use my brother as an example. He quit school in the 10th grade due to dyslexia . The teachers told him that he couldn't learn. He now owns his own business and makes more than I do in a year, has his home paid off, multiple cars and trucks and a nice 4 acre yard. If you asked him to read a book he could read it but it would be on about a 5th grade level. About 15 years ago there was an old man that owned an appliance repair service, my brother worked for him for 5 years and learned the trade. If he had listened to the schools he would be nowhere.

I do think there needs to be controls on child labor but I don't think the state should be the one doing it. I think it should be where if the parent says the child can work, they can, regardless of age. There are a lot of things even a 12 year old could do to learn and make money on something like a construction site, but they can't because of laws against it. Instead they spend the summer sitting on the couch or in front of a computer.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with jobs that don't require a degree. I know many carpenters that do jobs that people who spend their lives in school will never be able to do . A lot of jobs require skills that cannot be learned in a classroom and those are the jobs that illegals are now taking along with the jobs that are deemed 'below' us.

 

[CitizenKain]

That's not enough. Just ban illegal immigrant employment and just let the companies pay the market wage. I guarantee they'd have been paying us a lot more than $5.15. We had about 10 Mexicans from "Oklahoma" with Oklahoma "ID"s on the payroll.
Point is $5.15 did nothing for me. How am I supposed to buy a car, pay insurance, gas, etc. on that? And then have money for anything I actually wanted to do, like see a movie, or buy a video game, or build a computer, or whatever.

What makes you think that suddenly companies will start paying above minimum wage? When you are drawing in the pool of unskilled labor, they can find anyone. You'd still be making the same 5.15 working a McD's no matter what your coworkers name is.

 

[soccerballtux]

$5.15/hour x 40 hours/week = $206/week

16 weeks/year * 206/week = $3,296/year (assuming you were out of school for summer months and didn't work at all during the school year.)

4 years * $3,296/year = $13,184

This is assuming you kept the shit job at McD's for all 4 years without a single raise, unlikely as that may be.

Take out taxes and you made yourself about $11,000. How in the FUCK did you not afford a car? How did you not save for school? It sounds like you are simply a failure and want things handed to you. I can look around and find dozens of cars for under $2,000. Maybe it couldn't afford you a Benz or an Audi, but it could've gotten you a 20-year-old clunker. And remember - driving ain't walking!

YOU ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY AND WHY THEY HIRE MEXICANS! You bitch about "how am I gonna afford a car on that?!?" and the illegals are going "Yeah I can feed my family on that! Sign me up!"

Maybe if people like YOU weren't entitled bitches and were thankful for jobs we wouldn't need illegals.

Edit: I just re-read your post and it pissed me off even more! If you are a broke-ass kid working an unskilled job at McDonald's flipping burgers then NO ONE EXPECTS YOU TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD VIDEO GAMES! Maybe instead of building a computer and watching movies you should be doing something to better yourself so you aren't stuck working shit jobs at McDonald's.

Goddamn. You fail.

car insurance $1200/year
gas $300/year

So, work every summer, save $5000 without spending ANYTHING beyond the car and gas.
my top 5 engineering school was $28k/year when I started.

No wonder no white kids work. Your life must not be worth much if you're willing to work all four of your high school summers away to pay for 1/30th of your cost of post secondary education (5 years-- only 32% make it out in 4 years where I go-- because it's that hard).

Oh and I worked there for a year, asked for a raise, manager said "why should I give you a raise, I can just hire another mexican for even less". So then I quit.

The payoff of the school I went to? I'm one of the few people that have a job as I'm graduating in this recession; but even then only 28% last term had offers in hand as they walked out the door.

Like I said, it was not worth working 4 summers to be $5000 less in debt. My job I'm starting at in May I'll be making $60k/year with 2x$3000 in bonus options to top it off.

 

[soccerballtux]

What makes you think that suddenly companies will start paying above minimum wage? When you are drawing in the pool of unskilled labor, they can find anyone. You'd still be making the same 5.15 working a McD's no matter what your coworkers name is.

supply and demand, there is no supply of white kids willing to work for those wages. Profit margin is 900% on the french fries (materials/potatoes/oil alone), they can afford to pay more.

 

[soccerballtux]

This is another big issue that needs addressing more often. Schools need to stop pushing the idea that the only way to be successful or have a good life is to go to college. To back it up they say that everyone is capable of going to college and getting these dream jobs if they just try hard enough. If you drop out of school or are doing poorly at math or science the implication is you are a failure because you just were not dedicated or were not trying, that you let yourself down. It is no wonder that inner city youth turn to crime if we are telling them anything but college is a life of failure. That physical labor is demeaning.

Ever notice the responses people get to the different situations ?

"I'm going to college" - good for you
"I can't get into college" - oh, you should have tried harder,. You can probably get in if you take more classes !

After high school it is almost like you said you committed a crime when they ask what you are doing and you don't reply college . Some people are just not going to be good at academics and to look down on them because of it is no different than judging people by skin color. I always use my brother as an example. He quit school in the 10th grade due to dyslexia . The teachers told him that he couldn't learn. He now owns his own business and makes more than I do in a year, has his home paid off, multiple cars and trucks and a nice 4 acre yard. If you asked him to read a book he could read it but it would be on about a 5th grade level. About 15 years ago there was an old man that owned an appliance repair service, my brother worked for him for 5 years and learned the trade. If he had listened to the schools he would be nowhere.

I do think there needs to be controls on child labor but I don't think the state should be the one doing it. I think it should be where if the parent says the child can work, they can, regardless of age. There are a lot of things even a 12 year old could do to learn and make money on something like a construction site, but they can't because of laws against it. Instead they spend the summer sitting on the couch or in front of a computer.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with jobs that don't require a degree. I know many carpenters that do jobs that people who spend their lives in school will never be able to do . A lot of jobs require skills that cannot be learned in a classroom and those are the jobs that illegals are now taking along with the jobs that are deemed 'below' us.

I'd say it's demeaning because you can't earn much doing it. It's also one of the first things to go in a recession.

 

[Modelworks]

I'd say it's demeaning because you can't earn much doing it. It's also one of the first things to go in a recession.

The people who show pride in their work, regardless of what it is come out on top. Physical labor like harvesting crops never goes away no matter how bad the economy. If someone working unskilled needs work he can always find other work in other areas because what he has is a willingness to learn , to not think some jobs are beneath him. He gets it that work is about making money to do other things. Unlike the people who work in areas like tech jobs where they think because they have a degree they can't work anywhere else and have locked themselves into the mentality that is all they can do.

It is sad to see so many people that are distressed because they didn't get the promotion, they aren't earning as much as the person they graduated college with, or they have been out of work for 6 months and can't find a job in their specialty so they do nothing. It is like someone dying of thirst in the middle of the desert , they have a bottle of water but they end up dying because they don't drink that brand.

 

[soccerballtux]

The people who show pride in their work, regardless of what it is come out on top. Physical labor like harvesting crops never goes away no matter how bad the economy. If someone working unskilled needs work he can always find other work in other areas because what he has is a willingness to learn , to not think some jobs are beneath him. He gets it that work is about making money to do other things. Unlike the people who work in areas like tech jobs where they think because they have a degree they can't work anywhere else and have locked themselves into the mentality that is all they can do.

It is sad to see so many people that are distressed because they didn't get the promotion, they aren't earning as much as the person they graduated college with, or they have been out of work for 6 months and can't find a job in their specialty so they do nothing. It is like someone dying of thirst in the middle of the desert , they have a bottle of water but they end up dying because they don't drink that brand.

can't support a family on those.