Why the step back to LCD's?

[0roo0roo]

ExpertNovice --
"There is "footprint" and useable space. Are you really storing items behind your current monitor? The width does save you about 2" and if that is 30% of your desktop area you have bigger problems!"

Yes, I store my rig behind the LCD now. This allows me to have monitors and 2 PCs on my desk while not losing any space for my k/b, mouse, and general workarea.

assuming you have a big desk made for large crts. many desks can't handle a 19" or 21" crt.. you gotta do that thing where you shove it in the corner and sorta look diagonally at it. bad stuff. lcd works on any desk. and the prices have finally dropped. look at frys last weekend, 199 for a 17" viewsonic..no rebates. microcenter 240dollars for 8ms 17" viewsonic. 299 for 19" lcd. for mostpeople now any money tossed in the direction of a crt is really wasted money.

 

[kobymu]

Originally posted by: sandeep108
Agree. I have spent some time on my friend's LCD and it definitely was easier on the eyes than my Samsung IFT / LG Flatron CRTs. Most people I have spoken to have said that LCDs are far better as far as eyestrain is concerned.

when i moved to LG Flatron CRT (795ft+) eyestrain was gone (and so was the headach).

my LG Flatron CRT modul is considered a professional entry-level CRT and is the first high-and CRT that i bought, and i just have to say this: high-and CRT and other CRT are two completely different beasts, any (bad)opinion/experience you have on a CRT will be gone once you move to a high quality CRT.

compering all CRTs to LCDs leads to noting but confusion, however if you broke the CRTs into two segments, accurate compering can be done:

high-end CRTs > LCD (all moduls) > all other CRTs

 

[0roo0roo]

well, but for general users high end crts don't realy exist anymore it seems. not to mention development is basically dead. 5 yeras ago i had a sony g400 that did 1600x1200@85hz. now days 250-300 gets you that but at maybe 76hz...thats not an advance. lcds just keep getting better and cheaper.

 

[kobymu]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well, but for general users high end crts don't realy exist anymore it seems. not to mention development is basically dead. 5 yeras ago i had a sony g400 that did 1600x1200@85hz. now days 250-300 gets you that but at maybe 76hz...thats not an advance. lcds just keep getting better and cheaper.

True.

Originally posted by: Zebo
Better get used to it. They stopped making real CRT's about 3 months ago.. Trinitron FD's stopped over two years ago!

Go look. Find a NEC 930SB, or 2070SB. Go find any Sony Trinitron like CPD-500 or CPD-520..

Basically you got crap arse cheap grabage (that's a lot of adjectives) Invar shadow masks developed for the poor third world to choose from.:| LCD beats those everytime.

I just ordered two 21" CRTs today for back-up but I'm keeping it on the down low till my fellas get a line. That's how hard they are to find.

I am actually thinking of doing the same before good quality CRTs will disappear completely

 

[ExpertNovice]

Thanks to all here who encouraged me to try the LCD.

Other than your being wrong about current LCDs being better than good CRTs you were right that they are the future.

To make my Dell 2005FPW useable I purchased Spyder2 and calibrated the monitor. Still too bright.

I then purchased LaCie Blue Eye 2 and recalibrated it to a Gamma of 2.4, color temp 6295K. This was done with the starting brightness at 100.

Testing the monitor by placing the "device" (that is what LaCie calls it) in the center of the monitor the report is fairly consistent. Place the device in a corner and it shows that the monitor is not very stable. However, I am unable to detect any changes so it is fine by me.

The point is that by raising the gamma and calibrating I still get a beautiful monitor. Then, when using Excel, Access, Word (default white backgrounds) I can turn the brightness down to 0 and the system is now useable.

Of course for video editing the gamma goes back to 2.2. This is easily done using the nVidia Desktop Manager profiles.

All in all the software/hardware to calibrate the monitor cost me more than the monitor! However, not knowing anything about gamma and color temperature made manually calibrating the monitor impossible. Of course, the documentation on calibrating monitors talks about how VERY hard it is to manually calibrating an LCD monitor.

Final thought. It would have been very hard to use the LaCie calibration system had I not used the Spyder2 system first. The documentation was MUCH better and the sytem much cheaper. Unfortunately Spyder2 could only calibrate to 1.8 or 2.2 and either 5000K or 6500K. Ultimately I needed a gamma of 2.4.

Good luck.

 

[earthman]

One thing I'd like to know...how long is an LCD monitor going to last, on average, compared to a good CRT? I have a CRT that is 11 years old and works great.

 

[Rami7007]

I really like my 17 Inch Sony HS74... It has this glossiness to the screen and has some of the best color and picture ive ever seen in a monitor... It is bright as hell also and doesnt hurt my eyes one bit... NO ghosting as well... With this thing, id never go back to CRT...

The only thing that i still love about CRT's is that the resolutions are better... You have to shell out a ton of money for a 20 inch or higher LCD monitor to get over 1280x1024... 19 inch CRT's have much better Res's

 

[ExpertNovice]

Originally posted by: earthman
One thing I'd like to know...how long is an LCD monitor going to last, on average, compared to a good CRT? I have a CRT that is 11 years old and works great.

Had my Hitachi CM772 not gone out after 4 years this thread would have been started in a month or two rather than when it did.

How long will an LCD monitor last? From what I can gather about as long as the LCD. With a CRT when the tube goes out or one of many other components, it is usually cheaper to replace them.

For an LCD the weak point seems to be the backlight and it can be replaced.

I would prefer not to have been forced and I hate having had to pay 50% more for a somewhat lesser quality monitor but am glad that I paid only $600 instead of the MSRP of $1,000. Of course, I spent over $400 on software to tune the LCD.

My guess is that I will replace the LCD monitor for a better one before this one burns out.

As for space. I have less space now than before. Of course, that is because the LCD that I purchased is wider than the CRT that I had before. Unlike others I don't store items over or under the wires in the back of the monitor nor do I have much clearance for underneath to store items. The CRT had a flat area on top (off the grill that items could be stored so I lost it.

Oh, the monitor weighs less.


Did I mention that I like the Dell 2005FPW LCD/TFT monitor?

 

[trexpesto]

One nice thing about LCD's weighing less is that they may survive moving days a little better. I am a cheap ass gamer, OCer, so it's CRT for a while yet.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Uhhh CRTs give you eye strain after looking at them for a while.

I mean 1280x1024 @ 85Hz is not that great for me. I need to use 1024x768 @ 120Hz to satisfy my eyes.

 

[jelifah]

This is an awfully old thread, I skipped to the last page after reading 1/2 of page 1. Primarily the reason I skipped over 2 1/2 pages of the thread was because I found it quite funny that, in May, the discussion was that a 'good' 19' LCD could be purchased for $700.

How quick 2 months can change the conversation.

OP meet the Dell 2405 for $789. 24 in LCD widescreen goodness. Still think CRT > LCD?

My bet is on no

 

[AndrewZorn]

Why the step back to LCD's?

advertising

"oh its smaller, since i need the extra cubic foot on my desk and am willing to pay an extra $200 and sacrifice quality to get it!"

and CRT fo-eva (but theyll stop selling them in about 2years i bet)

 

[Lord Midas]

I got my sweet, sweet Dell 2005FPW for £370.

Drooltastic.

 

[NiKeFiDO]

Originally posted by: Lord Midas
I got my sweet, sweet Dell 2005FPW for £370.

Drooltastic.

how did you drudge up such an old post?

 

[Elcs]

Originally posted by: NiKeFiDO

Originally posted by: Lord Midas
I got my sweet, sweet Dell 2005FPW for £370.

Drooltastic.

how did you drudge up such an old post?

This thread should have been burned by now.

 

[eastvillager]

Is this from the dark ages when LCD was first introduced?

Anybody not in color pre/pro work are just kidding themselves if they're sticking with CRT, imho. Even the color snobs can go LCD, if they have enough cash.