Why the Palestinians ask for a settlement freeze.

[Lemon law]

Nothing new here, not only does the government of Israel allow Israeli settlement on disputed territory Israel can never own, it refuses to stop its crazed settler parties from
illegally settling on land the Israeli government admits is 100% Palestinian owned.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...ew-homes-on-private-palestinian-land-1.425151

Oh well this settlement is only been ruled illegal by Israeli courts for a short period of time, there are a pile of other illegally settled outposts ruled against by Israeli courts still there after 6 and 7 years.

There are many of us that would like to side with Israel, but we cannot because a fair and just Israel simple can't be built on the foundations of illegal land thefts from Palestinians.

Of course the other danger here is that Israel has already illegal settled on so much of the disputed territory as to render a Palestinian state too small to be viable.

And given the fact the Israeli Palestinian issue will be settled sooner or later, if the two state solution can't work, that only leaves a one state solution as Israel will be forced to assimilate its Palestinians will full voting rights. Changing the balance of power in Israel as a result.

A point many rational Israelis have warned about for at least a decade or more.

 

[Phokus]

If Mexico tried to settle American land, we would nuke them into orbit, but since it's Israel, it's 'ok'.

 

[cybrsage]

There is disputed land all over the planet. The current controllers of said lands settle their people on it all the time. Outrage not found, it is normal procedure.

As for the why they want a settlement freeze, that is easy. It is so they can refuse to come to the table after getting it, just like the last time.

 

[cybrsage]

If Mexico tried to settle American land, we would nuke them into orbit, but since it's Israel, it's 'ok'.

Actually, we would put up signs telling Americans to stay out of the state and federal parks because Mexican Drug Cartels are in there and we should not disturb them.

 

[QuantumPion]

If Mexico tried to settle American land, we would nuke them into orbit, but since it's Israel, it's 'ok'.

You got that backwards buddy. The correct analogy would be a home developer trying to build a new housing suburb in downtown L.A., but Mexico demands we cease because that land (i.e. all of California, New Mexico, Arizona, and Texas) rightfully belongs to them and the U.S. stole it from them in the Mexican American war of 1848 (which they started).

 

[cybrsage]

Shush, stop bringing reality into a hate Israel thread.

 

[Moonbeam]

There is disputed land all over the planet. The current controllers of said lands settle their people on it all the time. Outrage not found, it is normal procedure.

As for the why they want a settlement freeze, that is easy. It is so they can refuse to come to the table after getting it, just like the last time.

What utter corruption of mind. So sad.

 

[corwin]

What utter corruption of mind. So sad.

Is there some secret decoder ring I can send off for to understand your posts?

 

[cybrsage]

What utter corruption of mind. So sad.

Must be interesting, living in your own world, far apart from the rest of us. Can you share what it is like to live the way you do?

 

[cybrsage]

Is there some secret decoder ring I can send off for to understand your posts?

It is easy:

Agree with me and you are not mentally retarded. Do not and you are mentally retarded. That is the way he (t)rolls.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Payback is hell.

Play with fire and you get burned.

 

[chucky2]

Actually, we would put up signs telling Americans to stay out of the state and federal parks because Mexican Drug Cartels are in there and we should not disturb them.

Haha, so true, so true... :biggrin:

 

[Anarchist420]

(which they started).

Actually, the land on which Polk sacrificed American blood was not American soil. It was recognized as part of Mexico by a treaty ratified by the U.S. Senate as part of Mexico. The U.S. government has followed a lot of bad precedents, but the one started by Polk is one of the worst.

 

[cybrsage]

I think that was his point, the US took the land from Mexico by force in a war Mexico started. We continue to settle Americans there to this day.

 

[Zebo]

When US can no longer police world possestion will be 9/10th of the law. Until then we won't do anything anyway.

 

[Anarchist420]

a war Mexico started

How did Mexico start it if they were defending themselves against an invading army?

 

[Lemon law]

Payback is hell.

Play with fire and you get burned.

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Maybe exactly the point EK, payback is a two edge sword more likely to wack Israel.

Its wonderful to be the fearless leader who leads their country to final victory , its even more uncool to be the fearless leader of a country that gets dope slapped.

That is the question I think we should all be asking of Bozo Netanyuhu who offers no compromise.

On one hand we can ask, will Netanyuhu finally end the long standing Israeli Palestinian conflict in the total favor of Israel?

On the other hand, will Netanyuhu extremism and refusal to compromise finally alienate the entire world in the near future? Especially if Israel repeats playing the unjustified disproportionate violence card.

With Netanyuhu, its all too likely to be one way or the other for Israel. When recent post 1948 lessons more feature leaders like Slobadon Milosevic, Charlie Taylor, the leaders of Rowanda, the South African PM before Peter Botha, who all manged to lead their nations to ends their fearless leader was trying to prevent.

Those that ask for all, often end up with nothing instead! Especially when Netanyuhu is playing a giant powerless charade, counting on perpetual US support no matter how stinking Netanyuhu's behavior in the leadership of Israeli becomes.

 

[Lemon law]

How did Mexico start it if they were defending themselves against an invading army?

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That Anarchist420 went deep into the character of the Mexican fearless leader named Santa Anna. And had at least a 20 year prehistory you are evidently unaware of. But like the Israeli Palestinian conflict today, Santa Annas succeeded in creating an inevitable problem with his initial settlement policies in Texas, and his failure to listen or compromise was the spark that lead to a total Mexican dopeslap.

If Santa Anna had not be behaved exactly like Netanyuhu, history may have been different.

 

[EagleKeeper]

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Maybe exactly the point EK, payback is a two edge sword more likely to wack Israel.

Its wonderful to be the fearless leader who leads their country to final victory , its even more uncool to be the fearless leader of a country that gets dope slapped.

That is the question I think we should all be asking of Bozo Netanyuhu who offers no compromise.

On one hand we can ask, will Netanyuhu finally end the long standing Israeli Palestinian conflict in the total favor of Israel?

On the other hand, will Netanyuhu extremism and refusal to compromise finally alienate the entire world in the near future? Especially if Israel repeats playing the unjustified disproportionate violence card.

With Netanyuhu, its all too likely to be one way or the other for Israel. When recent post 1948 lessons more feature leaders like Slobadon Milosevic, Charlie Taylor, the leaders of Rowanda, the South African PM before Peter Botha, who all manged to lead their nations to ends their fearless leader was trying to prevent.

Those that ask for all, often end up with nothing instead! Especially when Netanyuhu is playing a giant powerless charade, counting on perpetual US support no matter how stinking Netanyuhu's behavior in the leadership of Israeli becomes.

US support is a dual edged sword

While it provides support and some protection to Israel; it also handicaps Israel in its dealings with the Palestinians

And we have seen the Israel has no real concerns about the biases of the UN.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So what does Israel get from the Palestinians if they stop building?

 

[bfdd]

You got that backwards buddy. The correct analogy would be a home developer trying to build a new housing suburb in downtown L.A., but Mexico demands we cease because that land (i.e. all of California, New Mexico, Arizona, and Texas) rightfully belongs to them and the U.S. stole it from them in the Mexican American war of 1848 (which they started).

lol good analogy.

 

[RedString]

I think that was his point, the US took the land from Mexico by force in a war Mexico started. We continue to settle Americans there to this day.

And Mexico stole it before us.

They would be the guy who stole a car, then you stole it, and they think they can take you to court on it.

Not happening, and won't happen with land either.


edit: Blind-Israel defenders can't comprehend that if it was Palestine doing this to 100% Israel land, they would be attacked and are attacked. They only see, "Non-pro Israel thread? Ah! Must be Israel hating anti-semites!! Only logical conclusion!"

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

And Mexico stole it before us.

They would be the guy who stole a car, then you stole it, and they think they can take you to court on it.

Not happening, and won't happen with land either.


edit: Blind-Israel defenders can't comprehend that if it was Palestine doing this to 100% Israel land, they would be attacked and are attacked. They only see, "Non-pro Israel thread? Ah! Must be Israel hating anti-semites!! Only logical conclusion!"

Well that last part might be true in some cases. There was a guy who claimed Israel could use nukes for some religious agenda although there has never been the slightest sign of that being a half credible concern. Yeah amazing I know.

 

[RedString]

Well that last part might be true in some cases. There was a guy who claimed Israel could use nukes for some religious agenda although there has never been the slightest sign of that being a half credible concern. Yeah amazing I know.

One more who actually believes Israel would never ever use one of their many nukes.

You consistently fall under the category of "Blind-Israel defender", this just adds one more tally towards that title.

edit: There hasn't been the slightest sign because there hasn't been the slightest chance that Israel is going to lose their land. When that possibility arises, you're a fool if you think we won't have to talk Israel down from doing something very stupid.

 

[JEDIYoda]

One more idiot who actually believes Israel would never ever use one of their many nukes.

You consistently fall under the category of "Blind-Israel defender", this just one more tally towards that title.

So tell us Einstein how is the Israeli government the same as the Iranian Government??

Has Israel ever called for a country to be wiped off the face of the earth?
Has israel ever stated they would back any terrorist group that attacked or committed acts of terrorism against Iran??

Common Einstein put up or shut up. It`s that simple....