Why the left hates Trump so intensely

[Starbuck1975]

Good god you are willfully blind!

The Gop at the state level most certainly has been pushing for more restrictions on women and they most certainly support a businesses right to tell employees (specially women) how they can use their health care. Some have been successful and some have not.

Sure no one right now is trying to ban people of a certain religion from entering the country but the man who was just elected president certainly made that one of his things to do.

Restrict press access? Sure, maybe not but he's doing much worse. Delegitimizing the press, demonizing anyone that reports unfriendly things about him, and him openly stating he wants to strengthen libel laws are all causes of concern.

But hey! Don't worry about that, you just keep your eye on the ball, those evil progressives, that you seem to be unable to name.

I linked to the SNL skit that parodies the very progressive mentality you claim does not exist. My blindness is matched only by your tone deafness.

You also just basically validated my point by conceding that he is taking on a more moderate stance relative to the inflammatory tone of his campaign.

Roe v Wade may establish precedence on the legality of abortion, but it is still a pandora's box that raises many philosophical questions about life for which I do not want to derail this entire thread. The puritan stance of the religious right is where I disagree. I am willing to limit abortion if and only if you are also willing to invest in education and widely available birth control.

As for limiting entire religious groups, it's not going to happen, but I am glad Trump had the audacity to raise concern given what is happening in Europe.

The media deligitimized itself. The gym I use has MSNBC, FOX and CNN side by side with closed captioning enabled. I get a daily dose of what is wrong with the media and it has nothing to do with Trump. The media created him. He is their monster to now leash.

Keep playing the dismissive boogey man card. It did wonders for Clinton and the Democrats.

 

[agent00f]

Yeah, I meant "moderate" when I wrote "independent". Also, it was not at all clear to me that you were trolling anyone in particular; it seemed as though you were just trolling liberals en masse. In either case, the shitck is just painting you as a partisan (whether true or not).

Thanks for being reasonable.

He'll never notice how much he pigeonholes himself by doing the best possible chucky/sp33dy impersonation, which is the exactly reason why these sorts are never mistaken for thinkers, or even minimally self-aware.

Also worth noticing that when the heat is on, "moderate/independents" (aka conservatives) will always instinctively flock to their own, which shows how much the fair and balanced act is make pretend.

 

[agent00f]

As for limiting entire religious groups, it's not going to happen, but I am glad Trump had the audacity to raise concern given what is happening in Europe.

The chain of events here is instructive if not also rather literal dark comedy. The american white welfare system conducts its regular bombing of rando expendable people, the hapless refugees and whatnot get pretty desperate, and some euro leaders actual do the christian thing; but Trump's white nationalist audience turns out to be the Real victims.

 

[MrPickins]

He'll never notice how much he pigeonholes himself by doing the best possible chucky/sp33dy impersonation, which is the exactly reason why these sorts are never mistaken for thinkers, or even minimally self-aware.

Based on his post history over the years, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt here.

Also worth noticing that when the heat is on, "moderate/independents" (aka conservatives) will always instinctively flock to their own, which shows how much the fair and balanced act is make pretend.

Meh, there is such a thing as a true moderate even if they lean slightly left or right. You just don't tend to see many in the hyper-partisan discussions in P&N.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Based on his post history over the years, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt here.

Meh, there is such a thing as a true moderate even if they lean slightly left or right. You just don't tend to see many in the hyper-partisan discussions in P&N.

Thanks

 

[Paratus]

"While the study gives no clear answer as to why, speculation ............"

Well the correlation/causation between lack of health care and death is tenuous at best....

 

[Starbuck1975]

The chain of events here is instructive if not also rather literal dark comedy. The american white welfare system conducts its regular bombing of rando expendable people, the hapless refugees and whatnot get pretty desperate, and some euro leaders actual do the christian thing; but Trump's white nationalist audience turns out to be the Real victims.

And in gratitude for doing the christian thing, the very people they are trying to help drive trucks into their Christmas markets, killing people who live in a nation that, despite the atrocities of its recent past, has been an advocate for protecting expendable people

Dark comedy, no. More like a failed experiment.

 

[ivwshane]

I linked to the SNL skit that parodies the very progressive mentality you claim does not exist. My blindness is matched only by your tone deafness.

You also just basically validated my point by conceding that he is taking on a more moderate stance relative to the inflammatory tone of his campaign.

Roe v Wade may establish precedence on the legality of abortion, but it is still a pandora's box that raises many philosophical questions about life for which I do not want to derail this entire thread. The puritan stance of the religious right is where I disagree. I am willing to limit abortion if and only if you are also willing to invest in education and widely available birth control.

As for limiting entire religious groups, it's not going to happen, but I am glad Trump had the audacity to raise concern given what is happening in Europe.

The media deligitimized itself. The gym I use has MSNBC, FOX and CNN side by side with closed captioning enabled. I get a daily dose of what is wrong with the media and it has nothing to do with Trump. The media created him. He is their monster to now leash.

Keep playing the dismissive boogey man card. It did wonders for Clinton and the Democrats.

Lol! You linked to an SNL skit as evidence for your claim? Good god man! Do you even hear yourself?

 

[Jhhnn]

And in gratitude for doing the christian thing, the very people they are trying to help drive trucks into their Christmas markets, killing people who live in a nation that, despite the atrocities of its recent past, has been an advocate for protecting expendable people

Dark comedy, no. More like a failed experiment.

Be sure to blame millions for the actions of a few.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Lol! You linked to an SNL skit as evidence for your claim? Good god man! Do you even hear yourself?

I asserted that there are those on the far left who are equally misguided to those on the far right.

You asked me to provide the names of these people, which is an absurd request and irrelevant to the discussion. Distract, deflect.

I provided a pop culture reference. SNL clearly recognizes these people exist because they saw fit to parody them.

I wonder sometimes if you hear yourself. You are usually rational and level headed. From a core ideology standpoint, we are probably in violent agreement. The Trump win has caused many to go unbalanced. Don't be that guy.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Be sure to blame millions for the actions of a few.

I never said that. I am throwing a more critical eye at refugees from war torn regions because they are more susceptible to militant ideology.

Germany didn't have a ramming of trucks into innocent civilians problem prior to the refugee crisis.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Well the correlation/causation between lack of health care and death is tenuous at best....

I'm sure that 97% will agree with the speculation in your link.

 

[Jhhnn]

I never said that. I am throwing a more critical eye at refugees from war torn regions because they are more susceptible to militant ideology.

Germany didn't have a ramming of trucks into innocent civilians problem prior to the refugee crisis.

Over 1.1M refugees are in Germany and there was one incident as you describe. But it's a yuuuge problem, obviously.

 

[shortylickens]

Did he piss on hookers before or after pissing on the Constitution?

 

[ivwshane]

I asserted that there are those on the far left who are equally misguided to those on the far right.

You asked me to provide the names of these people, which is an absurd request and irrelevant to the discussion. Distract, deflect.

I provided a pop culture reference. SNL clearly recognizes these people exist because they saw fit to parody them.

I wonder sometimes if you hear yourself. You are usually rational and level headed. From a core ideology standpoint, we are probably in violent agreement. The Trump win has caused many to go unbalanced. Don't be that guy.

Yes and your response was a deflection/distraction from the posters point that you responded to. He brought up the action of the president elect and you counter with a "both sides are the same" bullshit and yet can't name a single person of importance that espouses this same attitude you claim "both sides" have?

You are a little bitch.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Over 1.1M refugees are in Germany and there was one incident as you describe. But it's a yuuuge problem, obviously.

For the families of those killed I imagine it is

 

[Starbuck1975]

Yes and your response was a deflection/distraction from the posters point that you responded to. He brought up the action of the president elect and you counter with a "both sides are the same" bullshit and yet can't name a single person of importance that espouses this same attitude you claim "both sides" have?

You are a little bitch.

I guess you decided to be that guy

 

[ivwshane]

I guess you decided to be that guy

Yeah, I'm the guy that calls you on your bullshit.

 

[Paratus]

I'm sure that 97% will agree with the speculation in your link.

Climate Change! I thought you were concerned about 9 month old babies dying

 

[werepossum]

About as convincing of a tough guy act as chucky, what a coincidence this crowd all more or less behave alike.

If you felt those were tough guy posturing, I can only imagine the terror you suffer from doorbells and kittens.

The problem with that is she won her first elected office seat in the safe blue state of NY after being First Lady. As they say, the first million is the toughest. She has never served in state legislature, school board, etc. And she faced no opposition in the party primary there either. The field was cleared for her by the party.

As for Secretary of State, same thing. And what did she accomplish there? She was too chicken to try to find peace between Israel and Palestine. Her biggest project was the disastrous war in Libya and pushing for more involvement in Syria. I don't think she made good calls there, and reading accounts of Libya she was too easily suckered by smooth talking Muslim freedom fighters who say the right things.

Certainly the party was behind her, but the party was behind her in 2008 too and look how that turned out. I am sure there were some who wanted anyone but Clinton, and if nothing else, she at least had to convince the party apparatchiks. (I am assuming; if we see Senator Michelle, I will concede I am wrong.). As far as SecState, I am not at all impressed by her performance, but I will not fault her for failure there. It's a region of failure; every American President (and SecState) believes he or she has the answers, and they've all gone down just as hard as did Obama and Clinton. And at least they failed on the cheap; we might have lost an ambassador, but not thousands of American lives. If we have to fail - which is as long as we believe we can fix the Middle East - we can at least fail on the cheap.

This continually trolling is really starting to make you look bad.

I used to have some respect for you and consider you to be a fellow independent, but now I'm not so sure.

C'mon, virtually the only good thing about Trump (so far) is the comic relief provided by the far left. The irony of the people who demanded that Trump accept the results of the election being totally unable to accept the results of the election, of the people who insist that dumping hundreds of thousands of raw classified military documents is a good thing but dumping proof of the DNC dishonestly rigging a primary is an act of war, of people simultaneously demanding that we not "disenfranchise" voters by asking for ID and demanding that electors disenfranchise everybody to overturn the election, of the people screaming about angry white men while shitting on police cars and vandalizing buildings, this election is even more massively entertaining now than before the actual vote.

Over 1.1M refugees are in Germany and there was one incident as you describe. But it's a yuuuge problem, obviously.

To everyone except psychopaths and proggies, one "incident" of mass murder terrorism IS a huge problem.

 

[IronWing]

Climate Change! I thought you were concerned about 9 month old babies dying

Nah, once they're born, they're parasites.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Yeah, I'm the guy that calls you on your bullshit.

For the record, I only deal in horseshit, not bullshit. Horseshit is of higher quality and density, and has aromatic qualities that evoke rolling plains, majestic purple mountains, leather and whiskey.

 

[Jhhnn]

If you felt those were tough guy posturing, I can only imagine the terror you suffer from doorbells and kittens.


Certainly the party was behind her, but the party was behind her in 2008 too and look how that turned out. I am sure there were some who wanted anyone but Clinton, and if nothing else, she at least had to convince the party apparatchiks. (I am assuming; if we see Senator Michelle, I will concede I am wrong.). As far as SecState, I am not at all impressed by her performance, but I will not fault her for failure there. It's a region of failure; every American President (and SecState) believes he or she has the answers, and they've all gone down just as hard as did Obama and Clinton. And at least they failed on the cheap; we might have lost an ambassador, but not thousands of American lives. If we have to fail - which is as long as we believe we can fix the Middle East - we can at least fail on the cheap.


C'mon, virtually the only good thing about Trump (so far) is the comic relief provided by the far left. The irony of the people who demanded that Trump accept the results of the election being totally unable to accept the results of the election, of the people who insist that dumping hundreds of thousands of raw classified military documents is a good thing but dumping proof of the DNC dishonestly rigging a primary is an act of war, of people simultaneously demanding that we not "disenfranchise" voters by asking for ID and demanding that electors disenfranchise everybody to overturn the election, of the people screaming about angry white men while shitting on police cars and vandalizing buildings, this election is even more massively entertaining now than before the actual vote.


To everyone except psychopaths and proggies, one "incident" of mass murder terrorism IS a huge problem.

It's quite telling that you need to rant about Hillary & make false accusations about Liberals in a thread about Trump.

There will be an orderly transition of power. Whether Trump will respect the will of the majority who didn't vote for him is another matter entirely. It's not hard to imagine the reaction if the situation were reversed.

The rest is just your usual shotgun attack of false memes & & concern trolling.

 

[sandorski]

Any questions?

 

[IGBT]

The vast majority of liberals and so called progressives are a "feverish, selfish little clod of ailments and grievances complaining that the world will not devote itself to making you happy." A fountain of hate and discontent with endless gloom and doom scare stories.. I suspect many liberals are infected with Toxoplasma gondii..it's the only explanation for the obvious mental disorders and behavioral problems so many liberals exhibit.