Why the left hates Trump so intensely

[realibrad]

I'm genuinely curious. Can you literary not grasp why you're the perfect illustration of that flaw or is this actual buckshitting ie playing dumb?

So says the person that cannot admit a Hillary flaw beyond not being as popular as Obama. It would appear our pod is very tightly wrapped eh?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Hillary was the perfect candidate however, her campaign/ground game could not motivate the voters to get out and vote in the 5 states (Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, & Wisconsin) that Obama won in 2008 and 2012.

 

[realibrad]

I hope he's playing dumb because this is ridiculous.

Then prove me to be dense, and give me a flaw that you believe she has. Not what others, but you think was an actual flaw that is beyond others opinions. I'm not asking something that made her less popular either, which is where Agent would like to take it. Something about her that would lead her to make flawed decisions.

Ill give you an example with Trump. His seemly inability to take criticism causes him to attack everyone around him except yes men. This would seem to be a problem when dealing with countries with very real implications that would effect people in ways far more than the effects he would receive. His arrogance could very likely push allies to seek partnerships with countries that hold ideals antithetical to progressive western values.

See what I did there? The question is, can you do the same about Hillary?

 

[agent00f]

So her flaw are dumb people believing things. So really not her fault, but just circumstance of being surrounded by dumb people. Got it.

Lol, now you look to be the one rationalizing. Sanders and other Dems start to go against the TPP, and she changes. That is just her changing her mind on something as she gains more facts, and not her fear of taking an unpopular stance on something she things is the right thing to do. Got it.

This hardly takes any genius to figure out. Centrism literally results in what she does, and it's seen only as a negative (and never the positives) in the eyes of those easily influenced through propaganda. Likewise, you were just praising Sanders for being idealistic, which is a narrative the GOP is also pushing to sow discord within the enemy camp. If Sanders were the candidate, they'd be pushing his leftist socialism angle which I gather you're not a fan of, and the gullible dimwit take on the matter would predictably reflect that.

Worth noting that I wrote the paragraph above before the post it replied to. That's how predictably dumb these dimwits are.

So says the person that cannot admit a Hillary flaw beyond not being as popular as Obama. It would appear our pod is very tightly wrapped eh?

The fact the dimwits don't hammer Obama for the same centrist witch flaws perfectly illustrates the situation. Regrettably the dimwit trope is best know for never understanding anything ever.

 

[realibrad]

Hillary was the perfect candidate however, her campaign/ground game could not motivate the voters to get out and vote in the 5 states (Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, & Wisconsin) that Obama won in 2008 and 2012.

No. If she were a perfect candidate, then so many would not have been crushed when Sanders lost. She was never going to get the Right to vote for her, but she lost the Left for reasons beyond ground game.

 

[realibrad]

This hardly takes any genius to figure out. Centrist literally results in what she does, and it's seen only as a negative (and never the positives) in the eyes of the easily influenced through propaganda. Likewise, you were just praising Sanders for being idealistic, which is a narrative the GOP is also pushing to sow discord within the enemy camp. If Sanders were the candidate, they'd be pushing his leftist socialism angle which I gather you're not a fan of, and the gullible dimwit take on the matter would predictably reflect that.

Worth noting that I wrote the paragraph above before the post it replied to. That's how predictably dumb these dimwits are.



The fact the dimwits don't criticize Obama for the same centrist witch flaws perfectly illustrates the situation.

When did I praise Sanders for being idealistic?

Centrist can change their minds, just like populists can. The difference is in the motives, not the decisions. Just as a good person and a bad person both drink fluids to live.

You wont remember this, but I clearly talked to Eski about how Sanders and his policies were dumb because he had no way of paying for things. He was idealistic without a plan. Clinton was a better pick than Sanders as she had fleshed out policy proposals. So 0 for two there. Perhaps you should have not written that paragraph before knowing my position eh?

 

[agent00f]

When did I praise Sanders for being idealistic?

This is hilarious as if I'm going to search some dimwit's history for something he admits to in the same post:

Centrist can change their minds, just like populists can. The difference is in the motives, not the decisions. Just as a good person and a bad person both drink fluids to live.

You wont remember this, but I clearly talked to Eski about how Sanders and his policies were dumb because he had no way of paying for things. He was idealistic without a plan. Clinton was a better pick than Sanders as she had fleshed out policy proposals. So 0 for two there. Perhaps you should have not written that paragraph before knowing my position eh?

Similarly there's no point to explain how centrism works to someone who's evidently never understood anything in their entire history here. Well, except how smart the right wing blogs tell him he is.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

This is painful to watch.

 

[uallas5]

For me it's extreme dislike, which is directly correlated between what stupid shit has he said/tweeted and whatever cocktail I happen to be enjoying at that particular moment.

 

[realibrad]

This is hilarious as if I'm going to search some dimwit's history for something he admits to in the same post:



Similarly there's no point to explain how centrism works to someone who's evidently never understood anything in their entire history here. Well, except how smart the right wing blogs tell him he is.

Lol, do you think I am against TPP? I am for free trade. I think Sanders position is wrong. But, you do you big boy and jam your narrative into this post.

 

[realibrad]

For me it's extreme dislike, which is directly correlated between what stupid shit has he said/tweeted and whatever cocktail I happen to be enjoying at that particular moment.

Pro tip, don't make stupid shit he says into a drinking game. Wont end well. I am quite glad I don't do social media.

 

[agent00f]

Lol, do you think I am against TPP? I am for free trade. I think Sanders position is wrong. But, you do you big boy and jam your narrative into this post.

This is about the dimwits easily led into believing less charismatic centrists are unprincipled for being centrists, not the specifics of what they happen to read on blogs which nobody cares about even if that's a common mechanism for this process.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

No. If she were a perfect candidate, then so many would not have been crushed when Sanders lost. She was never going to get the Right to vote for her, but she lost the Left for reasons beyond ground game.

I have to wonder how many Dem voters stayed home thinking she had a lock on the election and didn't need their votes to win. I know I went to bed thinking that she would win the election in a big way.

 

[realibrad]

This is about the dimwits easily led into believing less charismatic centrists are unprincipled for being centrists, not the specifics of what they happen to read on blogs which nobody cares about even if that's a common mechanism for this process.

Without lube even, damn son.

So I believe Bernie was idealistic, even though I don't. Ninja skills.

Apparently, I get my views about Hillary, which got me to believe that she was the best pick out of Trump, Sanders, and herself. I guess I'm just a dimwit. Got it.

Woe is thy self, that is so easily led astray by thine wit which is not as luminous as thine peers!

 

[realibrad]

I have to wonder how many Dem voters stayed home thinking she had a lock on the election and didn't need their votes to win. I know I went to bed thinking that she would win the election in a big way.

Ditto. Most of my family and friends are from CA, so you can only imagine their shock.

 

[agent00f]

Without lube even, damn son.

So I believe Bernie was idealistic, even though I don't. Ninja skills.

Exhibit A:

He was idealistic without a plan. Clinton was a better pick than Sanders as she had fleshed out policy proposals. So 0 for two there. Perhaps you should have not written that paragraph before knowing my position eh?

Evidently too dimwitted to realize what he literally just said is recorded for posterity. I rest my case.

 

[JSt0rm]

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/537157586316165120


^^^ thats a real reason for a lot of people to not like trump.

 

[agent00f]

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/537157586316165120


^^^ thats a real reason for a lot of people to not like trump.

Ur the Real racist.

 

[realibrad]

Exhibit A:



Evidently too dimwitted to realize what he literally just said is recorded for posterity. I rest my case.

Lol, in the context of what you said silly.

Likewise, you were just praising Sanders for being idealistic,

You accused me of praising him for being idealistic, which I never did. Man, you are like a ballerina, so graceful on your feet.

 

[agent00f]

Lol, in the context of what you said silly.

You accused me of praising him for being idealistic, which I never did. Man, you are like a ballerina, so graceful on your feet.

So opportunism is bad, therefore the opposite choice in idealism is .... also bad. The best thing about dimwits is that there's zero risk they'd ever say anything to disprove this.

 

[realibrad]

So opportunism is bad, therefore the opposite choice in idealism is .... also bad. The best thing about dimwits is that there's zero risk they'd ever say anything to disprove this.

Those are not in opposition to each other, and thus can both be bad. Why you believe they are opposites is strange.

Idealism -
the practice of forming or pursuing ideals, especially unrealistically.

Opportunism -
the taking of opportunities as and when they arise, regardless of planning or principle.

You cant see how both would be bad in this context. How are those two things opposites?

 

[agent00f]

Those are not in opposition to each other, and thus can both be bad. Why you believe they are opposites is strange.

Idealism -
the practice of forming or pursuing ideals, especially unrealistically.

Opportunism -
the taking of opportunities as and when they arise, regardless of planning or principle.

You cant see how both would be bad in this context. How are those two things opposites?

When prevailing opinion shifts on an issue, going one way is opportunistic, and the other is principled/idealistic. Or in language you sort might understand: hurr durrrrr.

 

[realibrad]

When prevailing opinion shifts on an issue, going one way is opportunistic, and the other is principled/idealistic. Or in language you sort might understand: hurr durrrrr.

No, you are trying to link principled and idealistic as being synonymous and they are not. You can be principled and realistic which would be mutually exclusive to idealistic.

Your argument is that she shifted her mind because popular belief was that the TPP was bad. I am saying she did it because she would rather drop support for something she believed in, because she did not want to have an unpopular stance. Rather than defend something that is unpopular, she would just let it go, much in the same way she was against gay marriage while it was popular to be against, and then became for gay marriage once it became popular.

Trump will have no problem doing things that are unpopular, and considering his views, is going to likely do far worse than drop support for something like the TPP.

Your body is amazingly flexible. The positions it must be able to contort into I can only fantasize about.

 

[desura]

Hillary lost because she is all tactics and no vision. She's a technocrat and never really had to lead in the face of doubt. Like, has she ever had to start a business? No. She just did her homework and started off as a law firm associate worker bee.

This is so blindingly obvious. Women can overcome sexism if they have the right life experience and have the right outlook on life. Hillary lacked both.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Hillary lost because she is all tactics and no vision. She's a technocrat and never really had to lead in the face of doubt. Like, has she ever had to start a business? No. She just did her homework and started off as a law firm associate worker bee.

This is so blindingly obvious. Women can overcome sexism if they have the right life experience and have the right outlook on life. Hillary lacked both.

OR.. and stay with me here... we can just stop being sexist, so...........