This is what I said in my earlier post:
How exactly is working on those things same as "agreeing to the terrorists demands"?
This is what I said in my earlier post:
How exactly is working on those things same as "agreeing to the terrorists demands"?
etech:
can you tell me how you personally distinguish between terrorism and non-terrorism? I think that that would inform our debate.
Tell me this, here's a hypothetical situation. If you thought with 95% certainty that by successfully inserting a Special Ops team into Iraq to generally terrorize Iraqis (bombings, snipings, etc.), killing some "bad" Iraqis but also killing a significant amount of "innocent" Iraqis as well, then you'd achieve the goal of removing Saddam from power -- would you support such an action? Or would you rather go in with boatloads of troops and fight a conventional war? make typical assumptions about costs of war and loss of life in war, especially that more Iraqis total would be killed in the conventional war but a lesser percentage of civilians would be killed (relative to the Special Operations option).
can you tell me how you personally distinguish between terrorism and non-terrorism? I think that that would inform our debate.
Tell me this, here's a hypothetical situation. If you thought with 95% certainty that by successfully inserting a Special Ops team into Iraq to generally terrorize Iraqis (bombings, snipings, etc.), killing some "bad" Iraqis but also killing a significant amount of "innocent" Iraqis as well, then you'd achieve the goal of removing Saddam from power -- would you support such an action? Or would you rather go in with boatloads of troops and fight a conventional war? make typical assumptions about costs of war and loss of life in war, especially that more Iraqis total would be killed in the conventional war but a lesser percentage of civilians would be killed (relative to the Special Operations option).
I was kind of assuming that it'd be fought like the last Gulf War, when IIRC we didn't enter the cities at all.... but the point that I was trying to make, was that the Special Operations thing would be targeting civilians rather than military targets, and therefore civilians would make up a very high percentage of Iraqis killed (over 90%) as opposed to (hopefully) a much lower rate than in a conventional war.
" It can be several things: poverty, lack of direction on life, lack of meaning in life, narrow-mindedness, xenophobia..."
How exactly is working on those things same as "agreeing to the terrorists demands"?
It wouldn't be, but what good would it do? This is NOT the bug up Al Quida's ass.
"You can point to the extreme in any group and characterize the entire group that way..."
Correct, except for the FACT that Helen Thomas, Tom Daschel, Dick Gephardt and Nancy Pelosi are NOT "the extreme" on the left. They are supposedly centrist, and include a respected journalist and powerful, prominent leaders. They attempt to use that power to move the agenda embraced by extremists on the left.
How exactly is working on those things same as "agreeing to the terrorists demands"?
It wouldn't be, but what good would it do? This is NOT the bug up Al Quida's ass.
"You can point to the extreme in any group and characterize the entire group that way..."
Correct, except for the FACT that Helen Thomas, Tom Daschel, Dick Gephardt and Nancy Pelosi are NOT "the extreme" on the left. They are supposedly centrist, and include a respected journalist and powerful, prominent leaders. They attempt to use that power to move the agenda embraced by extremists on the left.
Well duh! Of course OBL doesn't go around saying "We hate USA because we suffer from narrow-mindedness and xenophobia!". But the root-cause of his (and his followers) hatred is xenophobia, narrow-mindedness and the like (not to mention perverted islamic extremeism). If you have those qualities, it's alot easier to start hating other so much that you would be willing to fly a plane in to WTC. But if you learn to respect others, to be open-minded etc. etc. that kind of wicked thinking cannot get hold of you and you don't turn in to a terrorist.
But I admit: my way of thinking is a bit utopian I guess.
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"if you learn to respect others, to be open-minded etc. etc. that kind of wicked thinking cannot get hold of you and you don't turn in to a terrorist."
What were we supposed to do to change this? What other trouble is currently brewing in the minds of future terrorists, that we should be addressing now?
"The left does not hate America.
But if you choose to believe that they do, nothing will change your mind."
Many on the left, like Helen Thomas, do NOT want war with Iraq. I concur with Flynn when he says, (Many on the left feel that) "...the United States is an imperialist power. Leftists fear the unilateral exercise of American power and are content only when that power is ensnared in an interlocking web of international organizations."
Who's Afraid Of America
By Reed Irvine and Cliff Kincaid
What were we supposed to do to change this? What other trouble is currently brewing in the minds of future terrorists, that we should be addressing now?
"The left does not hate America.
But if you choose to believe that they do, nothing will change your mind."
Many on the left, like Helen Thomas, do NOT want war with Iraq. I concur with Flynn when he says, (Many on the left feel that) "...the United States is an imperialist power. Leftists fear the unilateral exercise of American power and are content only when that power is ensnared in an interlocking web of international organizations."
Who's Afraid Of America
By Reed Irvine and Cliff Kincaid
- "Leftists look to such organizations to exercise a moderating influence on U.S. policy makers and to contain the unchecked use of American power. Just now, they are bitterly opposed to the use of force to disarm Iraq and remove Saddam Hussein. The media have given the left the opportunity to once again express their fears of American power in terms seldom heard since the 1960s.
The Left hates the Constitution of the United States of America.
It is that document that prohibits their burning desire to control every move that Americans make.
The Left is a group of tyrannical tyrants cut from the same clothe and of the same spirit as King George.
It is that document that prohibits their burning desire to control every move that Americans make.
The Left is a group of tyrannical tyrants cut from the same clothe and of the same spirit as King George.
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I'll say no more, I know how you just like to troll for responses.
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