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Why the hell is Australia involved in the war

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Like all nations of N.A.T.O. If they can provide help, be it small or large they should. I am Canadian and granted our armed forces (snicker) are small but we lend whatever we can including JTF-2. Other nations should be no different.

And I went to public school.......whats the big deel??? 😉
 


<< 1.) If Australia were attacked tomorrow by a foreign enemy, the United States would come to Australia's aid in a heartbeat because when you're allies, an attack on one nation is an attack on all. >>



well said. Australia is or probably has sent special troops.
 
It's not well-said at all. Amazing how bad most people's memories are of how late America decided to turn up in the last war.

I suppose one of America's nicknames is Amnesica.
 


<< what im saying is that sending out 1000 soldiers, = 10 U.S seals, and canada is U.S's allie too, so is a lot of other countries, are they helping no, im not saying that australia shouldnt help, im just saying that they could of do more like provide more special forces and sh1t, and guess what, we have sent out 3 F-18s which is just sad

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Don't be sad. We Americans still like you -- well, actually, we just like your women but that's another topic...
 
what im saying is that sending out 1000 soldiers, = 10 U.S seals, and canada is U.S's allie too, so is a lot of other countries, are they helping no, im not saying that australia shouldnt help, im just saying that they could of do more like provide more special forces and sh1t, and guess what, we have sent out 3 F-18s which is just sad

You don't know what you're talking about. Saying that 1000 soldiers isn't contributing is ridiculoous. The more help we have, the better.
 


<< Don't be sad. We Americans still like you -- well, actually, we just like your women but that's another topic... >>



Don't forget, the "Crocodile Hunter" too. 😉
 


<< Anyone remember the question raised in the film Starship Troopers - "Anyone know the difference between a citizen and a civilian?" -- perhaps we're not ALL citizens.
 >>


I didn't see the movie.
What, exactly, is your point?
 


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<< Anyone remember the question raised in the film Starship Troopers - "Anyone know the difference between a citizen and a civilian?" -- perhaps we're not ALL citizens.
 >>


I didn't see the movie.
What, exactly, is your point? >>


The answer given was (wording maybe not ENTIRELY accurate)... "a citizen is prepared to stand up for and defend his country with his life - a civilian is not".
My point is that just because you live within a given country - doesn't necessarily mean you're prepared to give your life for something your government decides. I guess we're not all patriotic to that extent.
 


<< The answer given was (wording maybe not ENTIRELY accurate)... "a citizen is prepared to stand up for and defend his country with his life - a civilian is not".
My point is that just because you live within a given country - doesn't necessarily mean you're prepared to give your life for something your government decides. I guess we're not all patriotic to that extent.
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I never heard that distinction between citizen and civilian, but I'm not a linguist by any means.
Guess I should watch more movies.
 
Osama bin Laden has already said Austrailia is in a Crusade against Islam in Indonesia. Get a transcript of his latest speech.

You think the militant Islamic plan again the Nuke reactor during the 2000 Olympics was Americas fault too?
 
East Timor and Somalia

Let us examine the stand of the West and the United Nations in the developments in Indonesia when they moved to divide the largest country in the Islamic world in terms of population.

We should view events not as separate links, but as links in a long series of conspiracies, a war of annihilation.

Bin Laden on "Crusade"

This criminal, Kofi Annan, was speaking publicly and putting pressure on the Indonesian government, telling it: You have 24 hours to divide and separate East Timor from Indonesia.

Otherwise, we will be forced to send in military forces to separate it by force.

The crusader Australian forces were on Indonesian shores, and in fact they landed to separate East Timor, which is part of the Islamic world.

Therefore, we should view events not as separate links, but as links in a long series of conspiracies, a war of annihilation in the true sense of the word.

In Somalia, on the excuse of restoring hope, 13,000 of our brothers were killed. In southern Sudan, hundreds of thousands were killed.



That is from bin Ladens latest video. I guess America is to blame for that too.
 


<< The answer given was (wording maybe not ENTIRELY accurate)... "a citizen is prepared to stand up for and defend his country with his life - a civilian is not". >>



Oh no. Brings back memories of the MCAT...But I would say that I agree SOMEWHAT to this statement, althouth I think all citizens are included in the group of civilians. It's not necessarily "You're either a citzen OR a civilian".

I had an argument about this sort of thing with a coworker of mine. It was actually about drafting in the war and if you were drafted, should you fight even if you don't believe in the war itself. Up until a couple years ago, I was really against the notion of accepting a draft notice. I probably would have moved to Canada or someplace to dodge the draft had there been one. However, I ran across some literature which REALLY changed my view of things. Even though I'm against the bombing of Afghanistan, even though I'm completely anti-Republican, and even though I probably wouldn't agree with the President should he decide to start drafting, I participated in voting for a president (notice how I said "a" and not "the") and since the president is the nationally appointed leader of America based (hopefully) on his merit, I feel that it is the duty of every citizen to protect that country they consider themselves a citzien of, which includes following that APPOINTED leader, ESPECIALLY in times of crisis (which would be the only time they would draft), REGARDLESS of whether you agree with him or not. America appointed Bush as a leader and so we must trust him to lead us.
 


<< It's not necessarily "You're either a citzen OR a civilian". >>

Oh I agree - we're all civilians, but maybe not all citizens. Then again from certain points of view - it's only a matter of semantics. I mean, doesn't every american have american citizenship?

Regards your other paragraph (McPhreak) - maybe there's some weight in the idea that if you DON'T vote - the same rules don't apply to you <shrug>
 
Probably because australia gets a large number of afgahn refuges. It is their intrest to boost the quality of life in the country so that all of those poor people don't have to take refuge on your island. remember, there is an alterior motive for almost everything.
 


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<< It's not necessarily "You're either a citzen OR a civilian". >>

Oh I agree - we're all civilians, but maybe not all citizens. Then again from certain points of view - it's only a matter of semantics. I mean, doesn't every american have american citizenship?

Regards your other paragraph (McPhreak) - maybe there's some weight in the idea that if you DON'T vote - the same rules don't apply to you <shrug> >>



Touche. I also think it's also the duty of a citzen to be intent on being an active member of the community, which includes appointing representatives for your community on up. However, there are always the exception (a recent felon who cannot vote, but want's to become a straight citizen again) so that's why I say "intent (i.e voting when you have option to)".
 


<< Why the hell is Australia involved in the war >>




A more appropriate question is "what took so long" ...
 
We didn't really ask for Australia's troops, I believe we asked for the services of Crocodile Dundee... but they gave us the next best thing... right, mate?
 
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