Why the Hatred for Outsourcing?

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Engineer
Because it's taking an Amercan's job, that's why. The only people to benefit from the outsourcing are the investor class, which is typically the upper 1% of the population (1% owns over 80% of all stocks of business). The rest of us piss ants get the trickle down...and shit rolls down hill so that's our trickle.

Fuck the rest of the world. Let them even the currency and have "FAIR" trade rules. Until then, fuck em.

QFT

OK, so thats two for the possible xenophobic answer for why they dislike outsourcing.

That's nice large words you have there. I've watched my company ship jobs, good hard working US citizen jobs, out of the country as fast as they can. Now, those replacements in Mexico are biting them in the ass and good enough for them. Their parts per million defects have skyrocked from 17 to 132 in just a few years as well as losing money and tremendous scrap rates. I hope that every single company that offshores US jobs for the sake of a few pennies gets bitten in the ass.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Engineer
Because it's taking an Amercan's job, that's why. The only people to benefit from the outsourcing are the investor class, which is typically the upper 1% of the population (1% owns over 80% of all stocks of business). The rest of us piss ants get the trickle down...and shit rolls down hill so that's our trickle.

Fuck the rest of the world. Let them even the currency and have "FAIR" trade rules. Until then, fuck em.

QFT

OK, so thats two for the possible xenophobic answer for why they dislike outsourcing.

As well as one for not having any possible answer to why outsourcing is good besides "they need the jobs". Why don't they develop there own economy?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: Engineer
Because it's taking an Amercan's job, that's why. The only people to benefit from the outsourcing are the investor class, which is typically the upper 1% of the population (1% owns over 80% of all stocks of business). The rest of us piss ants get the trickle down...and shit rolls down hill so that's our trickle.

Fuck the rest of the world. Let them even the currency and have "FAIR" trade rules. Until then, fuck em.

Yeesh thats harsh.

And before you go attacking investors, those pension funds all those teachers and who knows other professions that have them are invested in stocks and thus benefit.

I think around 200 million Americans own stocks either directly, through mutual funds or through pension funds.

That's nice. Regardless, the top 1% own 80% of all stocks and the top 5% own 90%. You just think that the US people own a huge chunk of the stocks. Smoke and mirrors.

And no, it's not harsh. It is reality.

Obviously the top 5% would own more stocks. But in terms of a % of their wealth, a teachers' pension is fairly high and thus they benefit as well.

While they might not benefit as much in dollar terms in % they do OK.

The wealthy would be able to hire the better money managers and put money into the best hedge funds and thus their ROI would more than likely be higher.

Ah, there you go speaking the truth. The market has been flatter than hell for a decade, yet unprecidented wealth has accumilated to those at the top (hedge funds anyone?). Why is that? Not only are they reaping the profits of cheaper labor while fucking the US worker, they are playing with oil and other commodities (via hedge funds that you and I can't play with) and driving the costs up for all of us while they rake in even more money.

Losing jobs is far worse than the stock market % gains for teachers. If people didn't lose those jobs to begin with, maybe they would buy more stock or products to prop up the stock market with better earnings. Biting the hand that feeds you comes to mind....

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Engineer
Because it's taking an Amercan's job, that's why. The only people to benefit from the outsourcing are the investor class, which is typically the upper 1% of the population (1% owns over 80% of all stocks of business). The rest of us piss ants get the trickle down...and shit rolls down hill so that's our trickle.

Fuck the rest of the world. Let them even the currency and have "FAIR" trade rules. Until then, fuck em.

QFT

OK, so thats two for the possible xenophobic answer for why they dislike outsourcing.

That's nice large words you have there. I've watched my company ship jobs, good hard working US citizen jobs, out of the country as fast as they can. Now, those replacements in Mexico are biting them in the ass and good enough for them. Their parts per million defects have skyrocked from 17 to 132 in just a few years as well as losing money and tremendous scrap rates.

I hope that every single company that offshores US jobs for the sake of a few pennies gets bitten in the ass.

:beer:

 

[geoffry]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Engineer
Because it's taking an Amercan's job, that's why. The only people to benefit from the outsourcing are the investor class, which is typically the upper 1% of the population (1% owns over 80% of all stocks of business). The rest of us piss ants get the trickle down...and shit rolls down hill so that's our trickle.

Fuck the rest of the world. Let them even the currency and have "FAIR" trade rules. Until then, fuck em.

QFT

OK, so thats two for the possible xenophobic answer for why they dislike outsourcing.

That's nice large words you have there. I've watched my company ship jobs, good hard working US citizen jobs, out of the country as fast as they can. Now, those replacements in Mexico are biting them in the ass and good enough for them. Their parts per million defects have skyrocked from 17 to 132 in just a few years as well as losing money and tremendous scrap rates. I hope that every single company that offshores US jobs for the sake of a few pennies gets bitten in the ass.

As these poor quality parts cost the company money in possible recalls, warranty claims or just simply customers going to another firm (would depend on what these parts are I guess) they could potentially move their plant back to the US or someplace else.

Now these hard working Americans who lost their jobs could move to Fort McMurray and get very nice pay working in a booming oil driven economy. Texas probably hasn't felt the recent down turn as much either given their energy industry.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Engineer
Because it's taking an Amercan's job, that's why. The only people to benefit from the outsourcing are the investor class, which is typically the upper 1% of the population (1% owns over 80% of all stocks of business). The rest of us piss ants get the trickle down...and shit rolls down hill so that's our trickle.

Fuck the rest of the world. Let them even the currency and have "FAIR" trade rules. Until then, fuck em.

QFT

OK, so thats two for the possible xenophobic answer for why they dislike outsourcing.

That's nice large words you have there. I've watched my company ship jobs, good hard working US citizen jobs, out of the country as fast as they can. Now, those replacements in Mexico are biting them in the ass and good enough for them. Their parts per million defects have skyrocked from 17 to 132 in just a few years as well as losing money and tremendous scrap rates. I hope that every single company that offshores US jobs for the sake of a few pennies gets bitten in the ass.

As these poor quality parts cost the company money in possible recalls, warranty claims or just simply customers going to another firm (would depend on what these parts are I guess) they could potentially move their plant back to the US or someplace else.

Now these hard working Americans who lost their jobs could move to Fort McMurray and get very nice pay working in a booming oil driven economy. Texas probably hasn't felt the recent down turn as much either given their energy industry.

Good for Texas. While the rest of the US suffers from higher fuel bills, Texas is reaping the benefits and that's good for them. However, to suggest that millions of displaced workers, who could barely afford to live on what they were paid to pack up and move to Texas is completely short sited, not that you've not shown enough short sitedness tonight anyway.


Oh, and they have cost the company money. If they offshore my plant, I hope the fuckers close up and file bankruptsy. Actually, it wouldn't hurt my feelings anyway as we have so few US workers left that it really would matter much. Most of the stupid shits at the top have already lost their jobs anyway for piss poor planning. Closing factories in Canada and shipping parts from Mexico to Canada wasn't much of a plan. Now with fuel charges kicking them in the nuts, it's too late. Losing business must have been a game plan with these stupid people as they are executing with perfection.

 

[geoffry]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Engineer
Because it's taking an Amercan's job, that's why. The only people to benefit from the outsourcing are the investor class, which is typically the upper 1% of the population (1% owns over 80% of all stocks of business). The rest of us piss ants get the trickle down...and shit rolls down hill so that's our trickle.

Fuck the rest of the world. Let them even the currency and have "FAIR" trade rules. Until then, fuck em.

QFT

OK, so thats two for the possible xenophobic answer for why they dislike outsourcing.

As well as one for not having any possible answer to why outsourcing is good besides "they need the jobs". Why don't they develop there own economy?

Chinese companies are building up their infrastructure and other industries as fast as they can, same goes for most every other developing nation.

For example this weekends Barrons had an article about the Chinese spending $200 B on expanding their railroad network in the next 5 years.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Engineer
Because it's taking an Amercan's job, that's why. The only people to benefit from the outsourcing are the investor class, which is typically the upper 1% of the population (1% owns over 80% of all stocks of business). The rest of us piss ants get the trickle down...and shit rolls down hill so that's our trickle.

Fuck the rest of the world. Let them even the currency and have "FAIR" trade rules. Until then, fuck em.

QFT

OK, so thats two for the possible xenophobic answer for why they dislike outsourcing.

As well as one for not having any possible answer to why outsourcing is good besides "they need the jobs". Why don't they develop there own economy?

Chinese companies are building up their infrastructure and other industries as fast as they can, same goes for most every other developing nation.

For example this weekends Barrons had an article about the Chinese spending $200 B on expanding their railroad network in the next 5 years.

So they will still have a sub-par railroad network? You still have yet to give an answer besides "They need the jobs too".

 

[geoffry]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Engineer
Because it's taking an Amercan's job, that's why. The only people to benefit from the outsourcing are the investor class, which is typically the upper 1% of the population (1% owns over 80% of all stocks of business). The rest of us piss ants get the trickle down...and shit rolls down hill so that's our trickle.

Fuck the rest of the world. Let them even the currency and have "FAIR" trade rules. Until then, fuck em.

QFT

OK, so thats two for the possible xenophobic answer for why they dislike outsourcing.

That's nice large words you have there. I've watched my company ship jobs, good hard working US citizen jobs, out of the country as fast as they can. Now, those replacements in Mexico are biting them in the ass and good enough for them. Their parts per million defects have skyrocked from 17 to 132 in just a few years as well as losing money and tremendous scrap rates. I hope that every single company that offshores US jobs for the sake of a few pennies gets bitten in the ass.

As these poor quality parts cost the company money in possible recalls, warranty claims or just simply customers going to another firm (would depend on what these parts are I guess) they could potentially move their plant back to the US or someplace else.

Now these hard working Americans who lost their jobs could move to Fort McMurray and get very nice pay working in a booming oil driven economy. Texas probably hasn't felt the recent down turn as much either given their energy industry.

Good for Texas. While the rest of the US suffers from higher fuel bills, Texas is reaping the benefits and that's good for them. However, to suggest that millions of displaced workers, who could barely afford to live on what they were paid to pack up and move to Texas is completely short sited, not that you've not shown enough short sitedness tonight anyway.

Then forget the USA and try the Albertan tar sands. Or heck, go anywhere in Alberta. Companies are starved for good employees in pretty much every industry.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: geoffry
Then forget the USA and try the Albertan tar sands. Or heck, go anywhere in Alberta. Companies are starved for good employees in pretty much every industry.

Are you stupid? If the people can't afford to pack up and move to Texas, why would they move to Canada? And if everyone moved there, would there still be enough jobs for them all? Seriously?

Shakes head at the OP.

With the offshoring/outsourcing thread, you're fighting a losing battle as far as I'm concerned. It's not about efficiencies, it's about CEO's making as much profit for themselves (#1) and their shareholders (which 90% is the top 5% of the country). Throw in H1-B Visa's and you've got a clusterfuck for the US worker. The only thing the US worker gets is a bonus==== 1-800-2Bone-US

 

[geoffry]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Engineer
Because it's taking an Amercan's job, that's why. The only people to benefit from the outsourcing are the investor class, which is typically the upper 1% of the population (1% owns over 80% of all stocks of business). The rest of us piss ants get the trickle down...and shit rolls down hill so that's our trickle.

Fuck the rest of the world. Let them even the currency and have "FAIR" trade rules. Until then, fuck em.

QFT

OK, so thats two for the possible xenophobic answer for why they dislike outsourcing.

As well as one for not having any possible answer to why outsourcing is good besides "they need the jobs". Why don't they develop there own economy?

Chinese companies are building up their infrastructure and other industries as fast as they can, same goes for most every other developing nation.

For example this weekends Barrons had an article about the Chinese spending $200 B on expanding their railroad network in the next 5 years.

So they will still have a sub-par railroad network? You still have yet to give an answer besides "They need the jobs too".

Their unemployment rates are higher, their poverty levels are higher, their quality of life is lower and their standard of living is lower.

Ergo they need the jobs more.

 

[RichardE]

So do you have any reason to love outsourcing besides "It gives me warm fuzzies to help people"?

Why not volunteer instead of just shifting happiness around the world.

 

[quest55720]

I hate having to call places 3 or 4 times to get a person I can understand. Nothing more frustrating than waiting on hold for 10 minutes only to get someone who you can not understand.

It takes away jobs here in america so I hate it for that reason also. That and it is making other economies boom helping raise the price of oil. I would gladly pay a little extra to get good customer service.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Engineer
Because it's taking an Amercan's job, that's why. The only people to benefit from the outsourcing are the investor class, which is typically the upper 1% of the population (1% owns over 80% of all stocks of business). The rest of us piss ants get the trickle down...and shit rolls down hill so that's our trickle.

Fuck the rest of the world. Let them even the currency and have "FAIR" trade rules. Until then, fuck em.

QFT

OK, so thats two for the possible xenophobic answer for why they dislike outsourcing.

As well as one for not having any possible answer to why outsourcing is good besides "they need the jobs". Why don't they develop there own economy?

Chinese companies are building up their infrastructure and other industries as fast as they can, same goes for most every other developing nation.

For example this weekends Barrons had an article about the Chinese spending $200 B on expanding their railroad network in the next 5 years.

So they will still have a sub-par railroad network? You still have yet to give an answer besides "They need the jobs too".

Their unemployment rates are higher, their poverty levels are higher, their quality of life is lower and their standard of living is lower.

Ergo they need the jobs more.

So its better for multi national corps to take advantage of them and them to lead a life making a little more money but being poisoned by the same corps?

 

[geoffry]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: geoffry
Then forget the USA and try the Albertan tar sands. Or heck, go anywhere in Alberta. Companies are starved for good employees in pretty much every industry.

Are you stupid? If the people can't afford to pack up and move to Texas, why would they move to Canada? And if everyone moved there, would there still be enough jobs for them all? Seriously?

Shakes head at the OP.

In Fort Mac many firms cover your costs of moving.

Some companies even give you room and board.

And no, if EVERY unemployed person in eastern Canada and the United States went there of course their wouldn't be enough jobs, but if these laid off people are hard working and looking for a nice opportunity there one is.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: geoffry
Their unemployment rates are higher, their poverty levels are higher, their quality of life is lower and their standard of living is lower.

Ergo they need the jobs more.

Ah, so the US should give up jobs and lower it's standard of living so the rest of the world can raise theirs? Fuck that. You can donate your paycheck to save the world fund, not mine. Thanks for volunteering.

 

[JD50]

Probably the same reason that people care more about someone in their own family than some stranger.

We're Americans, so we care more about Americans. Pretty simple really.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: geoffry
Their unemployment rates are higher, their poverty levels are higher, their quality of life is lower and their standard of living is lower.

Ergo they need the jobs more.

Ah, so the US should give up jobs and lower it's standard of living so the rest of the world can raise theirs? Fuck that. You can donate your paycheck to save the world fund, not mine. Thanks for volunteering.

This.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: geoffry
Then forget the USA and try the Albertan tar sands. Or heck, go anywhere in Alberta. Companies are starved for good employees in pretty much every industry.

Are you stupid? If the people can't afford to pack up and move to Texas, why would they move to Canada? And if everyone moved there, would there still be enough jobs for them all? Seriously?

Shakes head at the OP.

In Fort Mac many firms cover your costs of moving.

Some companies even give you room and board.

And no, if EVERY unemployed person in eastern Canada and the United States went there of course their wouldn't be enough jobs, but if these laid off people are hard working and looking for a nice opportunity there one is.

Tell the foreign workers that you're advocating giving jobs to this then. Maybe they'll move here for the jobs, not that the H1-B visa program is taking care of that anyway.

 

[geoffry]

Originally posted by: quest55720
I hate having to call places 3 or 4 times to get a person I can understand. Nothing more frustrating than waiting on hold for 10 minutes only to get someone who you can not understand.

It takes away jobs here in america so I hate it for that reason also. That and it is making other economies boom helping raise the price of oil. I would gladly pay a little extra to get good customer service.

Thank you, you were the first person to just plainly say "an American is more important therefore he should have a job".

And yes, I agree that the firms that use foreign phone support often have terrible reps. Where I live certain banks make it a point of mentioning that phone calls are answered here by fluent English speakers, not even a menu system to push 1 or 2 or whatever. And I bet this helps them gain extra customers.

Yes, their booming economies are boosting world energy demand and also food demand. As people switch from eating grains everyday to meat it puts extra pressure on grain production as feeding animals for meat is a more inefficient use of grain. Although corn based ethanol is a bit higher on my list of inefficient uses of food

 

[geoffry]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: geoffry
Their unemployment rates are higher, their poverty levels are higher, their quality of life is lower and their standard of living is lower.

Ergo they need the jobs more.

Ah, so the US should give up jobs and lower it's standard of living so the rest of the world can raise theirs? Fuck that. You can donate your paycheck to save the world fund, not mine. Thanks for volunteering.

The standard of living in the US doesn't need to go down. The USA has pride for its rags to riches stories, if some children from broken homes and horrible childhoods can become successful, so can a person who has had little adversity in their life.

Entrepreneurs need to innovate more and create new enterprises, thus creating more employment opportunities.

The US govt can encourage this more by slashing the corporate tax rate and cap gains tax considerably.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: geoffry

Thank you, you were the first person to just plainly say "an American is more important therefore he should have a job".

Since you own a business, just who are your customers? If you're in America, just why should they give up their jobs. Like I said, you give up yours if you want them to have one...otherwise, for the millions of Americans who have already lost out to the rest of the world because of unfair wages, currency and so called free trade laws and especially for the CEO to pad his wallet for a few more million, "UP YOURS".

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: quest55720
I hate having to call places 3 or 4 times to get a person I can understand. Nothing more frustrating than waiting on hold for 10 minutes only to get someone who you can not understand.

It takes away jobs here in america so I hate it for that reason also. That and it is making other economies boom helping raise the price of oil. I would gladly pay a little extra to get good customer service.

Thank you, you were the first person to just plainly say "an American is more important therefore he should have a job".

And yes, I agree that the firms that use foreign phone support often have terrible reps. Where I live certain banks make it a point of mentioning that phone calls are answered here by fluent English speakers, not even a menu system to push 1 or 2 or whatever. And I bet this helps them gain extra customers.

Yes, their booming economies are boosting world energy demand and also food demand. As people switch from eating grains everyday to meat it puts extra pressure on grain production as feeding animals for meat is a more inefficient use of grain. Although corn based ethanol is a bit higher on my list of inefficient uses of food

You are the one saying "we should lower our standard of living so other people can raise there" which follows a finite wealth idea which is wrong. You don't need to make a people miserable to be able to raise your own standard of living.

 

[geoffry]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: geoffry
Then forget the USA and try the Albertan tar sands. Or heck, go anywhere in Alberta. Companies are starved for good employees in pretty much every industry.

Are you stupid? If the people can't afford to pack up and move to Texas, why would they move to Canada? And if everyone moved there, would there still be enough jobs for them all? Seriously?

Shakes head at the OP.

With the offshoring/outsourcing thread, you're fighting a losing battle as far as I'm concerned. It's not about efficiencies, it's about CEO's making as much profit for themselves (#1) and their shareholders (which 90% is the top 5% of the country). Throw in H1-B Visa's and you've got a clusterfuck for the US worker. The only thing the US worker gets is a bonus==== 1-800-2Bone-US

Theres only one of me and atleast 5 people against it so far.

I'm doing not bad considering how out numbered I am



But then what if the H1-B Visa holder stays in the US for 10 yrs and becomes a citizen? Is he not an American at that point? And with this American employed, doesn't that make you happy?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: geoffry

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: geoffry
Then forget the USA and try the Albertan tar sands. Or heck, go anywhere in Alberta. Companies are starved for good employees in pretty much every industry.

Are you stupid? If the people can't afford to pack up and move to Texas, why would they move to Canada? And if everyone moved there, would there still be enough jobs for them all? Seriously?

Shakes head at the OP.

With the offshoring/outsourcing thread, you're fighting a losing battle as far as I'm concerned. It's not about efficiencies, it's about CEO's making as much profit for themselves (#1) and their shareholders (which 90% is the top 5% of the country). Throw in H1-B Visa's and you've got a clusterfuck for the US worker. The only thing the US worker gets is a bonus==== 1-800-2Bone-US

Theres only one of me and atleast 5 people against it so far.

I'm doing not bad considering how out numbered I am



But then what if the H1-B Visa holder stays in the US for 10 yrs and becomes a citizen? Is he not an American at that point? And with this American employed, doesn't that make you happy?

You're outnumbered with ME alone on this one pal. As for the H1-B visa plan, just look at Chrysler. Brought in 500 H1-B visa people, trained them for about 2 years and then let the entire original staff go while retaining the H1-B visa workers to take over the former US workers jobs. Fuck that.