Why the GOP must come to terms with George W. Bush's disastrous presidency

dmcowen674

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Why the GOP must come to terms with George W. Bush's disastrous presidency

The party cannot chart a course to future victory until it makes peace with past failures


Over the last few weeks, Ross Douthat, Michael Gerson and Pete Wehner, Yuval Levin, Ramesh Ponnuru, Jim Pethothoukis, David Frum, and Tod Lindberg have all weighed in on where the GOP should go.


The proposals include promising ideas, such as emphasizing tax and regulatory simplification over income tax cuts, or moving away from hardline positions on abortion and gay marriage.



Nevertheless, these plans are a misleading point of departure for GOP renewal. That's because their authors remain in denial about the cause of Republicans' unpopularity: the catastrophic failure of the Bush presidency.


Start with foreign policy. From the 1960s until the 21st century, Republicans reliably enjoyed the trust of the public to manage America's foreign affairs and protect its national security. The attacks of September 11 gave George W. Bush the opportunity to build on that reputation. Instead, he squandered it by mismanaging the war in Afghanistan and plunging the nation into a disaster in Iraq.


In most Americans' minds, then, Afghanistan and Iraq were Bush's wars. By the conventional logic of politics, that means that they are Republican wars, too.


Then there's the economy. The reformers write eloquently, and correctly, of the need for Republican responses to long-term problems of unemployment, wage stagnation, and rising health-care and education costs.



As with foreign policy, however, they are reluctant to acknowledge that the Bush administration did little to reverse these trends, and in some ways exacerbated them.



In an otherwise compelling critique of Republicans' fixation on marginal income tax rates, Ponnuru manages not to mention that the Bush administration regarded tax cuts as a signature achievement.



But the reformers' connections to the Bush administration reflect the GOP's larger problem: an institutional and intellectual elite dominated by alumni or associates of the Bush administration.



In addition to new policies, Republicans desperately need new personnel.
 

frowertr

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Some of you Dems whine like there is no tomorrow. You still complaining about Bush? That was half a decade ago. Get over it! Worry about how YOUR president is going to fix things now and not how things were in the past...
 

EagleKeeper

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It's amazing to see.

Just look at the Republicans in here, they haven't changed one bit since Bush was Governor of Texas.

Interesting that after 4+ years the Dems are still obsessed with Bush.
The only thing there man has accomplished is to create/continue uncertainty.

The only thing that has improved is the stock market; not employment, fuel; housing.

Business is now having to revamp their plans to account; worry more on the short term because hte long term is unable to be identified.
 
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Some of you Dems whine like there is no tomorrow. You still complaining about Bush? That was half a decade ago. Get over it! Worry about how YOUR president is going to fix things now and not how things were in the past...

Isnt the GOP the party of so called "Personal Responsibility"? Shouldnt you guys be worried about your fuck ups and ways YOU can fix them? Or does this "personal responsibility" only rest with the other team? :confused:
 

frowertr

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Isnt the GOP the party of so called "Personal Responsibility"? Shouldnt you guys be worried about your fuck ups and ways YOU can fix them? Or does this "personal responsibility" only rest with the other team? :confused:

I'm not in agreement with the OP. Sorry... Get your shitty president to fix the problems. After all, he creates enough of them. If you are one of the uninformed voters who put him in office, then its on YOU!
 

fskimospy

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Interesting that after 4+ years the Dems are still obsessed with Bush.
The only thing there man has accomplished is to create/continue uncertainty.

The only thing that has improved is the stock market; not employment, fuel; housing.

Business is now having to revamp their plans to account; worry more on the short term because hte long term is unable to be identified.

Ahhh "uncertainty", the classic economics term that no one can define. I'm interested in how Obama has created uncertainty, what policies of his have done it, and how this would be remedied.

Also, employment and housing are vastly improved. Vastly.

Sometimes it is hard to look at a failure and accept responsibility. GWB was a massive failure, one that I am quite sure a number of people here voted for. If you are going to move on you need to recognize where conservatism has failed in the past and chart a new way.
 

SaurusX

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It's quite ironic that Democrats would expect Republicans to denounce one of their own, when Democrats do the exact opposite. No matter how disgraced or how bad the scandal for Democrats they always build up the fortifications around that person and practically enshrine them. No. There will be no apologies or "coming to terms", because I reject your entire proposal on its face.
 

fskimospy

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It's quite ironic that Democrats would expect Republicans to denounce one of their own, when Democrats do the exact opposite. No matter how disgraced or how bad the scandal for Democrats they always build up the fortifications around that person and practically enshrine them. No. There will be no apologies or "coming to terms", because I reject your entire proposal on its face.

You are welcome to not come to terms with the disastrous consequences of your ideology, but that will just continue to hurt you.

There is a reason why Republicans have only won the popular vote one time in the last 25 years.
 

Triumph

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As a centrist, I feel that it is my duty, and not the duty of any leftist or rightist, to point out the hypocrisy in the thread title, because it could just as easily say, "Why the Democrats must come to terms with George W. Bush's disastrous presidency." You know, by just moving on like the Republicans should.
 

sportage

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Are we kidding???
Im still waiting for republicans to come to terms with the Reagan presidency.
Especially truth and reality vs the fantasy.
 

Matt1970

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It's all a matter of who was behind the wheel as to if the policy was bad.

The Bush tax cuts are a drain on the economy.
Obama makes them permanent.
The Patriot act violated our rights.
Obama expands on it.
Bush's deficit spending gets him labeled as un-patriotic.
Obama triples the deficit.

And so on, and so on,.....
 

Nintendesert

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You're right. When someone stops being president you can't criticize their ideology or the results of their presidency anymore. It is in the constitution.



You just let me know when the current President, now in his 2nd term, starts to put blame on himself instead of Buuu..buuu...buuu...boooooosh!
 

Matt1970

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You're right. When someone stops being president you can't criticize their ideology or the results of their presidency anymore. It is in the constitution.

But maybe we could not blame them for 14 years of problems when they were only there for 8. Besides, next time Bush is running for President we can bring all this up again.
 

Nebor

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The unpopularity of the Republican party has virtually nothing to do with Bush at this point. People have short memories. We're a nation of "what have you done for me lately?" The reason the Republican party is losing, and will continue to lose is simply shifting demographics and growing urbanization. Look at the state of Illinois. It's politics are dictated by the liberal, racial minorities of Chicago. The whole country is heading in that direction.

The Republican party is done. The only way they'll be able to compete is to move so far left that they're like another Democrat party. Which isn't really that shocking or unusual, it's what you see throughout most other Western democracies: barely differentiated liberal political parties running against each other based largely on personality of their candidates.
 

sao123

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There is a reason why Republicans have only won the popular vote one time in the last 25 years.


yea, because people who vote democrat sit home on welfare and foodstamps and multiply like rabbits.
1 welfare generation begets more welfare generations.
 

Jaskalas

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Why the GOP must come to terms with George W. Bush's disastrous presidency

We saw perfectly clear what compromising our principles for electability brought us, and I would not have another GWB centrist ruin things in our name. This is why I refuse to vote Republican until they throw out the big gov Neocons.

Until they go Libertarian I will vote to weaken them. That is the Bush legacy.
 

waggy

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The dems need to stop obsessing over Bush. Start looking to the present and pay the fuck attention to what is going on now. Stop this game of who's side is winning.

The GOP has to stop holding reagan as some sort of god and vilifing Dems.
 

Matt1970

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The unpopularity of the Republican party has virtually nothing to do with Bush at this point. People have short memories. We're a nation of "what have you done for me lately?" The reason the Republican party is losing, and will continue to lose is simply shifting demographics and growing urbanization. Look at the state of Illinois. It's politics are dictated by the liberal, racial minorities of Chicago. The whole country is heading in that direction.

The Republican party is done. The only way they'll be able to compete is to move so far left that they're like another Democrat party. Which isn't really that shocking or unusual, it's what you see throughout most other Western democracies: barely differentiated liberal political parties running against each other based largely on personality of their candidates.

Speaking of short memories are you forgetting when the voters took out the trash just 2 short years ago? This is just a normal cycle. Republicans have lost by a lot more in elections and come right back.
 

EagleKeeper

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Ahhh "uncertainty", the classic economics term that no one can define. I'm interested in how Obama has created uncertainty, what policies of his have done it, and how this would be remedied.

Also, employment and housing are vastly improved. Vastly.

Sometimes it is hard to look at a failure and accept responsibility. GWB was a massive failure, one that I am quite sure a number of people here voted for. If you are going to move on you need to recognize where conservatism has failed in the past and chart a new way.

What are the unemployment numbers for 2013? Growing, head above water?
Housing is vastly improved?:confused: - People are still be foreclosed on; Large areas have a weak/non existent market.
Tax revenues up/down?
 

Nebor

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Speaking of short memories are you forgetting when the voters took out the trash just 2 short years ago? This is just a normal cycle. Republicans have lost by a lot more in elections and come right back.

Shifting demographics guarantee the end of the Republican party as we know it.
 

waggy

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Shifting demographics guarantee the end of the Republican party as we know it.

not going to happen. it may morph some but not going away.

i also don't want it to. in fact i would rather have another party or even 2.