Why TF is everyone raving about Conroe so much?

[Oyeve]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Why would you guys buy the inferior product? If something better and cheaper came out, why not buy it?

Oh right, AMD is teh l33t and even when its competitor looks like it is about to gain the lead, AMD levels up and smacks that biznatch!

Um, Intel always had the lead. I'm no Intel or AMD fanboy (current main system is AMD but have many Intel builds) but Intel always had the larger market share. AMD grabbed a nice chunk of it in recent years but its nice that Intel is finally coming out with a good cheap chip for once.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

Originally posted by: Crusader
As for today.. its still AMDs ballgame and intel is still sucking down gizzm from AMDs long rod.

:shocked:
Then why is everyone and their mother referring to AMD's 4x4 initiative as 'stop-gap solution while they figure out a way to counter Core 2 Duo?'

I dont count xtremesystems as valid. I count my system as valid.

Y'know, I didn't exactly test the Prescotts, Smithfields and Preslers myself but I listened to the word on the street....and surprisingly, a lot of people do know what they are talking about.

The AM2's are performing exactly how they did in preliminary benches from April, so I'm inclined to believe that Core 2 Duo will perform just as it is doing currently in preliminary benches. (One AM2 X2 5000+ review, not preview, of a retail chip showed up in CPU-Z as manufactured sometime in mid-April. April parts entered the retail channel in late-May (6 weeks later), so I'm pretty sure Core 2 Duos might already be boxed (maybe in small quantities? waiting for more to actually have a hard-launch?) and ready to ship. Maybe Dell's got a hundred thousand of them sitting in their warehouses.

Intel didn't become one of the world's biggest companies by faking/running highly-optimized benchmarks. nVidia did that with 3DMark sometime ago and that is the reason the FX-series is missing in your NV Domination signature. Am I right?

 

[Noubourne]

Originally posted by: Crusader
I dont count xtremesystems as valid.
I count my system as valid. I want it on the shelf, priced like its supposed to be.. and perform as it appears to.

Then I'll give credit where its due. Those are hand picked CPUs sent to xtremesystems members to hype up Intels new chip.

Put it in EVERYMANS system.. lets see those overclocks and price/performance.. and I'll be ranting.

As for today.. its still AMDs ballgame and intel is still sucking down gizzm from AMDs long rod.

That said, if it turns out like it appears and its a perfect world.. I'll build a conroe system.
Nvidia + Intel systems are always amazingly stable gaming machines.

Whatever guy. Keep your head in the sand. No skin off our back. The fact is, it's silly to hop on the AM2 bandwagon now with Conroe in the wings a couple months off. Unless you HAVE to buy a rig today, it's better to wait.

And don't go ripping XS guys with engineering samples. If anything, those chips are going to underperform the real deal when it hits. As manufacturing processes mature, chips tend to come out with higher clocks, not lower. If Intel's engineering samples are better than what will come out in production, then they have serious fab management issues.

It isn't going to take a perfect world for Conroe to beat the K8. Heck, the K8 is a grandpa compared to the young whippersnapper Conroe. It will take a perfect world for K8s manufacturing process to allow the clocks necessary to stay competitive with Conroe. AMD's next chance to lead will be K8L. I love AMD, so here's to hoping they can take back the crown (and then some) next year.

With a C2D 6600 (first 4MB cache model) coming out in the $300 range and 50-75% overclocks looking like a piece of cake even on air, that's a bandwagon I'm willing to hop on. For the first time since 1999, that wagon has an Intel printed on the side!!

No big deal to me. I'm not an AMD fanboy, I'm a price/performance fanboy.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Noubourne

Originally posted by: Crusader
I dont count xtremesystems as valid.
I count my system as valid. I want it on the shelf, priced like its supposed to be.. and perform as it appears to.

Then I'll give credit where its due. Those are hand picked CPUs sent to xtremesystems members to hype up Intels new chip.

Put it in EVERYMANS system.. lets see those overclocks and price/performance.. and I'll be ranting.

As for today.. its still AMDs ballgame and intel is still sucking down gizzm from AMDs long rod.

That said, if it turns out like it appears and its a perfect world.. I'll build a conroe system.
Nvidia + Intel systems are always amazingly stable gaming machines.

Whatever guy. Keep your head in the sand. No skin off our back. The fact is, it's silly to hop on the AM2 bandwagon now with Conroe in the wings a couple months off. Unless you HAVE to buy a rig today, it's better to wait.

And don't go ripping XS guys with engineering samples. If anything, those chips are going to underperform the real deal when it hits. As manufacturing processes mature, chips tend to come out with higher clocks, not lower. If Intel's engineering samples are better than what will come out in production, then they have serious fab management issues.

It isn't going to take a perfect world for Conroe to beat the K8. Heck, the K8 is a grandpa compared to the young whippersnapper Conroe. It will take a perfect world for K8s manufacturing process to allow the clocks necessary to stay competitive with Conroe. AMD's next chance to lead will be K8L. I love AMD, so here's to hoping they can take back the crown (and then some) next year.

With a C2D 6600 (first 4MB cache model) coming out in the $300 range and 50-75% overclocks looking like a piece of cake even on air, that's a bandwagon I'm willing to hop on. For the first time since 1999, that wagon has an Intel printed on the side!!

No big deal to me. I'm not an AMD fanboy, I'm a price/performance fanboy.

Noubourne your just being nice....we all know what you wish you could say...heheee

 

[videogames101]

If anyone remembers the overhyped x1800xt, remember, like 6 months ago? you'll realize that you shoulnd't believe anything about something that offers a 30% lead over the beast of current gen. I'll hold my opinion till these things are on the shelves.

EDIT: 400th post!

 

[Tsuwamono]

Originally posted by: UncivilizedAMD
Links for so many people out of the loop, and these aren't intel moderated reviews. Conroe beating current A64 by 10% lol, more like at least 30% clock for clock. Even a 2.13ghz Conroe is slapping a FX-60 around. Latest MSRP on the 2.13ghz part is only 224 dollars. High performance & expected cheap price = HYPE!!!!!!

Conroe @ 2.13 ghz puts the smackdown on a 2.6 FX-60 @ 2.6 and a overclocked FX-60 @ 2.8ghz in this link.
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfis...ue%2fevalue%2fcpu%2f0605%2f791941.html

Conroe 2.4ghz & 2.66 ghz beating a FX-62 @ 2.8ghz in this link.
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5692

In that second link its hardly slapping the FX62. The 62 was barely behind in the ones it was beatin in. And as far as the bench with the ten second lead on the 62. Meh. Its 10 Seconds. Who gives a ****** when your waiting a minute to do something anyway? I sure dont.

Besides. You think AMD is just going to sit there and throw up there arms and say "Wow, they beat us. Oh well. Shut her down boys, they got conroe now!" Highly doubt it. K8L is my idea of Slapping another CPU around. Wait for that. Plus as crusader said above. All benchmarks right now are intel approved ones. If intel didnt win even slightly in the benchmark they wouldnt approve it.

Sorry but im still AMD all the way.

 

[dguy6789]

"Why TF is everyone raving about Conroe so much?"


It is slightly faster.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: Tsuwamono

Originally posted by: UncivilizedAMD
Links for so many people out of the loop, and these aren't intel moderated reviews. Conroe beating current A64 by 10% lol, more like at least 30% clock for clock. Even a 2.13ghz Conroe is slapping a FX-60 around. Latest MSRP on the 2.13ghz part is only 224 dollars. High performance & expected cheap price = HYPE!!!!!!

Conroe @ 2.13 ghz puts the smackdown on a 2.6 FX-60 @ 2.6 and a overclocked FX-60 @ 2.8ghz in this link.
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfis...ue%2fevalue%2fcpu%2f0605%2f791941.html

Conroe 2.4ghz & 2.66 ghz beating a FX-62 @ 2.8ghz in this link.
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5692

In that second link its hardly slapping the FX62. The 62 was barely behind in the ones it was beatin in. And as far as the bench with the ten second lead on the 62. Meh. Its 10 Seconds. Who gives a ****** when your waiting a minute to do something anyway? I sure dont.

Besides. You think AMD is just going to sit there and throw up there arms and say "Wow, they beat us. Oh well. Shut her down boys, they got conroe now!" Highly doubt it. K8L is my idea of Slapping another CPU around. Wait for that. Plus as crusader said above. All benchmarks right now are intel approved ones. If intel didnt win even slightly in the benchmark they wouldnt approve it.

Sorry but im still AMD all the way.

Honestly, you're just retarded. Maybe these are #s and you need damn pictures to tell you which is better. Like a freaking graph.

Yes its steamrolling AMD. You could just get intel now too because according to YOU, 10 seconds doesnt matter. Just like 175 vs 150fps doesn't matter. So why not get Intel now if small numbers don't matter because supposedly above 60fps, we don't care anymore.

Well good god, you can see some #s are close but that's because we're probably graphics card limited and not CPU limited.

Bottom line is Conroe dominates AMD. I have an Opteron 170. I had a 3700+. All my desktops are AMDs, and yes I love AMD, but here is where you have to be honest and say Intel wins, and Intel will be steamrolling AMD soon.

If you had $10000, would you invest it in AMD or Intel's stock? Forget your stupid fanboism. How about this. You invest in AMD, and I put it in Intel's stock and we'll see where you go.

 

[LikeLinus]

Guys - you're arguing with some child who says

"still sucking down gizzm from AMDs long rod"

I'd think any further conversation would stop there.

 

[LikeLinus]

I myself - I'm going Intel with the new Conroe.

I use AMD in all three of my machines, but I'm not dumb enough to sit here and say "oh I'm still AMD 4 life niggah!!!" and act like an idiot. I'm going to purchase the best chip out there for the price. AMD fanboys can wallow in their tears all they want.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
I myself - I'm going Intel with the new Conroe.

I use AMD in all three of my machines, but I'm not dumb enough to sit here and say "oh I'm still AMD 4 life niggah!!!" and act like an idiot. I'm going to purchase the best chip out there for the price. AMD fanboys can wallow in their tears all they want.

:thumbsup: That made me laff

AMD 4 LYF NIGGAHHhhhhhhhhhhh

I have 3 AMD desktops and 1 Intel laptop. I buy the best chip on the market, and yes... Pentium Ms rule the laptop market. No kidding. I'm not buying a Turion...

 

[Smartazz]

AMD is probobly going to come out with something even better than conroe right away.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: Smartazz
AMD is probobly going to come out with something even better than conroe right away.

K8L? Not for a WHILE. Conroe has been highly anticipated, and we have no information on K8L yet. Either AMD is just too good at hiding stuff or who knows. This was just like when NV released the G70s. You could easily come to ATI's defense by saying R520 is going to be out soon, but it took them forever and only to come with a mediocre product. R580 was where it was all at.

So as someone who buys the best chip available, I will buy Intel until AMD can release something better....

*sigh* my Opty 170 is about to get run over..

 

[Ichigo]

Originally posted by: Tsuwamono

Originally posted by: UncivilizedAMD
Links for so many people out of the loop, and these aren't intel moderated reviews. Conroe beating current A64 by 10% lol, more like at least 30% clock for clock. Even a 2.13ghz Conroe is slapping a FX-60 around. Latest MSRP on the 2.13ghz part is only 224 dollars. High performance & expected cheap price = HYPE!!!!!!

Conroe @ 2.13 ghz puts the smackdown on a 2.6 FX-60 @ 2.6 and a overclocked FX-60 @ 2.8ghz in this link.
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfis...ue%2fevalue%2fcpu%2f0605%2f791941.html

Conroe 2.4ghz & 2.66 ghz beating a FX-62 @ 2.8ghz in this link.
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5692

In that second link its hardly slapping the FX62. The 62 was barely behind in the ones it was beatin in. And as far as the bench with the ten second lead on the 62. Meh. Its 10 Seconds. Who gives a ****** when your waiting a minute to do something anyway? I sure dont.

Besides. You think AMD is just going to sit there and throw up there arms and say "Wow, they beat us. Oh well. Shut her down boys, they got conroe now!" Highly doubt it. K8L is my idea of Slapping another CPU around. Wait for that. Plus as crusader said above. All benchmarks right now are intel approved ones. If intel didnt win even slightly in the benchmark they wouldnt approve it.

Sorry but im still AMD all the way.

The Intel CPU costs approx 30-40% of what the FX-62 costs. Your money man.

Oh, and mocking time.

Crusader: "Well, in case Intel actually stomps all over AMD, I'd better get another plug for Nvidia."

 

[RetailDirect]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: Tsuwamono

Originally posted by: UncivilizedAMD
Links for so many people out of the loop, and these aren't intel moderated reviews. Conroe beating current A64 by 10% lol, more like at least 30% clock for clock. Even a 2.13ghz Conroe is slapping a FX-60 around. Latest MSRP on the 2.13ghz part is only 224 dollars. High performance & expected cheap price = HYPE!!!!!!

Conroe @ 2.13 ghz puts the smackdown on a 2.6 FX-60 @ 2.6 and a overclocked FX-60 @ 2.8ghz in this link.
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfis...ue%2fevalue%2fcpu%2f0605%2f791941.html

Conroe 2.4ghz & 2.66 ghz beating a FX-62 @ 2.8ghz in this link.
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5692

In that second link its hardly slapping the FX62. The 62 was barely behind in the ones it was beatin in. And as far as the bench with the ten second lead on the 62. Meh. Its 10 Seconds. Who gives a ****** when your waiting a minute to do something anyway? I sure dont.

Besides. You think AMD is just going to sit there and throw up there arms and say "Wow, they beat us. Oh well. Shut her down boys, they got conroe now!" Highly doubt it. K8L is my idea of Slapping another CPU around. Wait for that. Plus as crusader said above. All benchmarks right now are intel approved ones. If intel didnt win even slightly in the benchmark they wouldnt approve it.

Sorry but im still AMD all the way.

Honestly, you're just retarded. Maybe these are #s and you need damn pictures to tell you which is better. Like a freaking graph.

Yes its steamrolling AMD. You could just get intel now too because according to YOU, 10 seconds doesnt matter. Just like 175 vs 150fps doesn't matter. So why not get Intel now if small numbers don't matter because supposedly above 60fps, we don't care anymore.

Well good god, you can see some #s are close but that's because we're probably graphics card limited and not CPU limited.

Bottom line is Conroe dominates AMD. I have an Opteron 170. I had a 3700+. All my desktops are AMDs, and yes I love AMD, but here is where you have to be honest and say Intel wins, and Intel will be steamrolling AMD soon.

If you had $10000, would you invest it in AMD or Intel's stock? Forget your stupid fanboism. How about this. You invest in AMD, and I put it in Intel's stock and we'll see where you go.

I did invest in Intel stock and here is why....

Its at a three year low (remember kids, buy low and sell high)

It makes 10x the $PROFIT$ of AMD.

Intel earns close to $2 per share..

AMD (whose stock is wayyy overinflated) earns aroun 80 cents per share.

Conroe goodness is just around the corner.....

Seems like a no brainer to me!!! I sure hope Im right!

 

[Howard]

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2771

Nothing miraculous (as far as general usage goes), except for the crazy increase in minimum FPS in FEAR.

 

[obeseotron]

People who get really passionate about this stuff just drive me crazy. I think anyone that roots for anything other than healthy competition is a complete idiot.

The P2 was much faster than the K6, then the Athlon was faster than the P2 or Katmai P3s, Intel caught up with coppermine, but fell behind with williamette. Intel regained a small lead with Northwood, but then hammer did a major leapfrog of Intel, who fell further back with the prescott downgrade. It goes back and forth every year or two.

Even if you're a die-hard AMD-only fanboy, it doesn't make sense to root for them to totally dominate. Do you enjoy the cheapest dual core athlon costing nearly $300?

And finally, please stop it with the conspiracy theories about conroe benchmarks, EVERY one of them from big sites or lucky forum members has shown consistently and basically across the board superior performance. AMD hasn't said a word about Conroe, and forbade reviewers from comparing AM2 to Conroe.

 

[Jules]

Were was intel 3 years ago?

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: RetailDirect
I did invest in Intel stock and here is why....

Its at a three year low (remember kids, buy low and sell high)

It makes 10x the $PROFIT$ of AMD.

Intel earns close to $2 per share..

AMD (whose stock is wayyy overinflated) earns aroun 80 cents per share.

Conroe goodness is just around the corner.....

Seems like a no brainer to me!!! I sure hope Im right!

I dunno.... 16,000 losing their jobs isn't a great stock-booster either...

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: obeseotron
People who get really passionate about this stuff just drive me crazy. I think anyone that roots for anything other than healthy competition is a complete idiot.

Exactly. :thumbsup:

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: bluemax

Originally posted by: RetailDirect
I did invest in Intel stock and here is why....

Its at a three year low (remember kids, buy low and sell high)

It makes 10x the $PROFIT$ of AMD.

Intel earns close to $2 per share..

AMD (whose stock is wayyy overinflated) earns aroun 80 cents per share.

Conroe goodness is just around the corner.....

Seems like a no brainer to me!!! I sure hope Im right!

I dunno.... 16,000 losing their jobs isn't a great stock-booster either...

I bought some stock in Intel as well, mainly for the same reasons he said. But really as a longer-term investment. I won't sell for at least 12 to 18 months, and I think there's a chance it could double by then.

 

[Snooper]

I have a feeling that the 16k losing their jobs is just going to turn into Intel spinning off some of the aquisitions it has made over the last several years in the communications and microcontroller markets. These groups have never made a penny... So it won't be a whole bunch of folks are out of a job, more like a whole bunch of people get new business cards.

Oh, and I AM passionate about Intel doing well! But then, that's who signs my pay checks, so what do you expect??? Privately, I am glad AMD is out there nipping on our heels (Although this infront thing for the last 3 years has REALLY sucked!). Intel is like any large corporation: take the heat off and they pretty much sit still sucking in as much cash as possible while doing as little real work as possible. AMD makes Intel actually pay attention to things like performance, cost, etc. and THAT is a good thing.

 

[tropic]

I've built almost exclusively AMD for the past three years, but--throbbing rods aside--I just don't care who gives me the best bang for my buck.

 

[gchanjam]

In my opinion most of the hype generated by Conroe lies solely in the price. Naturally, Intel would come out with a better performing chip than its competitors(save Prescott) so its performance of anywhere from 10%-30% gains is natural and is whats expected. But throw in the fact that you can get a midrange dual-core Conroe for the price of an upper-midrange single core AMD AM2 offering and you have a very exciting product with lots of hype.

 

[zephyrprime]

Originally posted by: bluemax

Originally posted by: RetailDirect
I did invest in Intel stock and here is why....

Its at a three year low (remember kids, buy low and sell high)

It makes 10x the $PROFIT$ of AMD.

Intel earns close to $2 per share..

AMD (whose stock is wayyy overinflated) earns aroun 80 cents per share.

Conroe goodness is just around the corner.....

Seems like a no brainer to me!!! I sure hope Im right!

I dunno.... 16,000 losing their jobs isn't a great stock-booster either...

Sometimes a big layoff annoucement can be met with rising stock prices on the market. The market is extremely ruthless. But I think it is the wrong time to buy intel. Conroe will only reach 20% of their production by the end of 2006 so Intel will still be bleeding a lot of money with the unpopular prescott based products. Everyone is expecting them to report bad quarters for a while and warn on the downside before then. Conroe is their trumpcard but the stock market in general is actually quite slow at picking up specific industry information in my experience.