I just caught that backtrack edit from earlier also he did, he is trying to distract though, what he describes is modern socialism.
There is not a big difference and yes Vic, the US is a socialist state in a lot of ways but very poorly planned out through arrogance.
Perfect example: the wanker who refers to it is "slaves to dictatorship" it is this BS that keep people in the dark.
Why American Social Democracy will always fail: Ignorance and idealistic misinformation
The primary sociocultural obstacle presented to American welfare programs is not one of homogeny, but rather the irrational manner in which the American entrepreneurial ideal manifests itself. All sociological research strongly indicates that most poor in the US - especially the poor actually - are almost militantly opposed to taking what they regard as 'handouts' in the form of welfare. The stereotype of the food-stamp scamming black druggie and the fraudulently "disabled" white trailer trash in fact represent an acute statistical minority. But of course you'd never know that to look at our national dialogue.
This is a social stigma almost on par with our sexual hangups. So much so, in fact, that many poor in the US do not even bother to apply for general assistance. The culturally idealized "nose to the grindstone" work ethic, they believe, will ultimately be sufficient. The only problem is that they are content to put their noses to a grindstone spinning on a vertical axis instead of a horizontal one, and thus they tend to go nowhere by their efforts.
A functional welfare program targeted resolutely and aggressively at all of the poor (not just the ones who can 'qualify' through 754 government forms in triplicate) must by definition be the first and central component of any successful series of social programs in a social democracy or otherwise mixed economy. The more successful the program in *educating* and training the poor, the more poor that are thus elevated from poverty on a permanent basis; the more uniformly elevated the poor become, the more taxable production that comes into existence (and the simultaneous less demand for base-level welfare); the more taxable production that exists, the more resilient the entire socioeconomic system becomes against severe duress (as Katrina or even far, far worse). Not to mention the boon to the economy that is new venture capital, new investment, and new business - it means new jobs. A functioning social democracy institutes programs that pay for themselves in such ways over the long term. The US, on the other hand, has not even tried to take the appropriate steps. One simply can not use the bungled machinations of the one to discredit the proper implementation of the other.
We shame people into not seeking the help that they need with silly catchphrases that are detrimental in the long run keeping the poor where they are for maximum profit potential.
Also, whoever here was going on about business here not being subsidized this is laughable, if capitalism is so great why are our companies so heavily subsidized at our expense by corporate welfare but the "peasants" are looked at as scum for doing the same?
The "american dream" is a fraud and a scam at the poorest peoples expense
In reality business and corporations are the welfare queens jealously guarded through ignorance for the elite few with a disproportionaly large amount of the wealth.
What we have in here is small business owners and wanna-be rich clinging to some pathetic hope of government handouts trash talking any individual who would do the same needing help with personal finances -total hypocrisy.
I have seen Vic and a few others say they would be on welfare and not work if there was a system set up that was lucrative, this says a lot about them and their basic world view that people are on a whole leeches looking to take advantage, well duh, you all would know all about it huh?
Problem is not with dependency, it is with greed on the part of a small minority.
There is not a damn thing wrong with demanding we get paid for what we contribute to a society and for that wealth to enrich all of us, not this fraction dangled in front of us like a carrot on a stick so the already subsidized corporations and business owners can get wealthy at our expense.
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