Why soccer will never make it in the US

[Mr Pickles]

Someone splain this:

In baskteball, not only do you get the points that you make, but if you flop and make it look horrible you also get 1 or 2 free throws. That's a big reward for being fouled. But in the middle of the soccer field, where no one is standing and no critical play can be made on the ball, why is it that players insist on getting a foul? Is it really that advantageous to get a free kick? PKs are different; the box is a story all on its own, but they don't normally take a dive in the box, they try and score goals in the box. Its not worth how much drama they put into it.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Mr Pickles
Someone splain this:

In baskteball, not only do you get the points that you make, but if you flop and make it look horrible you also get 1 or 2 free throws. That's a big reward for being fouled. But in the middle of the soccer field, where no one is standing and no critical play can be made on the ball, why is it that players insist on getting a foul? Is it really that advantageous to get a free kick? PKs are different; the box is a story all on its own, but they don't normally take a dive in the box, they try and score goals in the box. Its not worth how much drama they put into it.

there are a few reasons people do it, many fouls are to stop the run of play, those generally arnt flops, people flot to get teh foul but moreso to get the other team carded for it, ups the chance of getting someone sent off

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Oh give me a break, you know it's true. You think another Spurs/Pistons final would have gotten the same ratings? Please.

KT

no i don't know its true ... thats just the excuse that NBA haters keep using.

if that is why the finals had such high ratings ...

then why was the NBA playoffs ratings better as a whole, from game 1?

I'm not an NBA hater at all, I love the game (still prefer college hoops though). I watched more games this year over last because there more players I was interested in seeing, however I started to get quite annoyed by the crappy officiating and the blatant kowtowing to the leagues interests. When everyone can pick the officiating crew before it is announced because they know a particular team needs a win, well that's a problem in my book.

I'm not surprised the ratings for the playoffs are up at all when you have the two most storied franchises gong in as the favourites to win the whole thing. Remove LA and Boston from the picture, or even just lower them down in the seeding and I think the ratigns would have been much lower.

KT

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Oh give me a break, you know it's true. You think another Spurs/Pistons final would have gotten the same ratings? Please.

KT

no i don't know its true ... thats just the excuse that NBA haters keep using.

if that is why the finals had such high ratings ...

then why was the NBA playoffs ratings better as a whole, from game 1?

I'm not an NBA hater at all, I love the game (still prefer college hoops though). I watched more games this year over last because there more players I was interested in seeing, however I started to get quite annoyed by the crappy officiating and the blatant kowtowing to the leagues interests. When everyone can pick the officiating crew before it is announced because they know a particular team needs a win, well that's a problem in my book.

I'm not surprised the ratings for the playoffs are up at all when you have the two most storied franchises gong in as the favourites to win the whole thing. Remove LA and Boston from the picture, or even just lower them down in the seeding and I think the ratigns would have been much lower.

KT

lol that is such a stupid ass statement to make.

thats like saying "lets make the playoffs be the 16 worst teams in the league and see if the ratings are the same."

of course they won't be the same, that goes for any sport.

geee, i wonder which superbowl would have more viewers ... Patriots vs. Colts, or the Dolphins vs. the Raiders ... :roll:

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Mwilding
OP must have been watching a game played by latin players. Italy and Argentina are notorious

LOL! It was italy vs. france I think.

 

[Jack Ryan]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

Originally posted by: Jack Ryan
1) Stop the BS diving
2) Get rid of offsides (or change it, the current offside rule is stupid)

That is a good start for Americans to give a crap about soccer.

They can't get rid of offsides. But they can actually enforce it the way the rule is supposed to be enforced, which is to only call it when a player is clearly behind. When one player is literally inches behind the defender, or when it comes down to where the player's leg or arm is positioned, it is a silly call and does nothing for the integrity of the game. If the attacker is camped out 10 feet behind the defenders, waiting for a cheap pass, that's different. The rule has become more of a liability than a protection at this point.

technicially you are supposed to let those super close ones go in favor of the offence,

i think offsides calling is fine, i watch more soccer then most on here i bet and there ar every few times where i have had reall issues with offsides calls

the last really bad one was in the 94 world cup Dutch V Brazil, and that ref totally blew it and was then banned form refing international soccer for life

It isn't about calling offsides correctly, it is the fact that the offsides rule is archaic and really is just plain annoying to a fan.

The field is huge, yet the rules want everyone to stay around each other.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Oh give me a break, you know it's true. You think another Spurs/Pistons final would have gotten the same ratings? Please.

KT

no i don't know its true ... thats just the excuse that NBA haters keep using.

if that is why the finals had such high ratings ...

then why was the NBA playoffs ratings better as a whole, from game 1?

I'm not an NBA hater at all, I love the game (still prefer college hoops though). I watched more games this year over last because there more players I was interested in seeing, however I started to get quite annoyed by the crappy officiating and the blatant kowtowing to the leagues interests. When everyone can pick the officiating crew before it is announced because they know a particular team needs a win, well that's a problem in my book.

I'm not surprised the ratings for the playoffs are up at all when you have the two most storied franchises gong in as the favourites to win the whole thing. Remove LA and Boston from the picture, or even just lower them down in the seeding and I think the ratigns would have been much lower.

KT

lol that is such a stupid ass statement to make.

thats like saying "lets make the playoffs be the 16 worst teams in the league and see if the ratings are the same."

of course they won't be the same, that goes for any sport.

geee, i wonder which superbowl would have more viewers ... Patriots vs. Colts, or the Dolphins vs. the Raiders ... :roll:

Then why do you keep throwing these ratings in my face? Obviously the ratings are going to be up with these teams in it, but you didn't seem to be understanding that, which is why I felt I had to say it again. You just argued against yourself.

KT

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: Jack Ryan


It isn't about calling offsides correctly, it is the fact that the offsides rule is archaic and really is just plain annoying to a fan.

The field is huge, yet the rules want everyone to stay around each other.

Are you saying all players should just camp around the goal and let the goalies kick the balls at each other?

 

[Jack Ryan]

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: Jack Ryan


It isn't about calling offsides correctly, it is the fact that the offsides rule is archaic and really is just plain annoying to a fan.

The field is huge, yet the rules want everyone to stay around each other.

Are you saying all players should just camp around the goal and let the goalies kick the balls at each other?

I don't know, is that what I am saying?

http://www.urbandictionary.com...erm=Baby+Seal+Argument

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: Jack Ryan

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: Jack Ryan


It isn't about calling offsides correctly, it is the fact that the offsides rule is archaic and really is just plain annoying to a fan.

The field is huge, yet the rules want everyone to stay around each other.

Are you saying all players should just camp around the goal and let the goalies kick the balls at each other?

I don't know, is that what I am saying?

http://www.urbandictionary.com...erm=Baby+Seal+Argument

Offside rule is there to stop players from just camping and wait for the long ball. Deal with it.

No different than 2 line pass and offside rule in Hockey.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Oh give me a break, you know it's true. You think another Spurs/Pistons final would have gotten the same ratings? Please.

KT

no i don't know its true ... thats just the excuse that NBA haters keep using.

if that is why the finals had such high ratings ...

then why was the NBA playoffs ratings better as a whole, from game 1?

I'm not an NBA hater at all, I love the game (still prefer college hoops though). I watched more games this year over last because there more players I was interested in seeing, however I started to get quite annoyed by the crappy officiating and the blatant kowtowing to the leagues interests. When everyone can pick the officiating crew before it is announced because they know a particular team needs a win, well that's a problem in my book.

I'm not surprised the ratings for the playoffs are up at all when you have the two most storied franchises gong in as the favourites to win the whole thing. Remove LA and Boston from the picture, or even just lower them down in the seeding and I think the ratigns would have been much lower.

KT

lol that is such a stupid ass statement to make.

thats like saying "lets make the playoffs be the 16 worst teams in the league and see if the ratings are the same."

of course they won't be the same, that goes for any sport.

geee, i wonder which superbowl would have more viewers ... Patriots vs. Colts, or the Dolphins vs. the Raiders ... :roll:

Then why do you keep throwing these ratings in my face? Obviously the ratings are going to be up with these teams in it, but you didn't seem to be understanding that, which is why I felt I had to say it again. You just argued against yourself.

KT

no you claimed that the flopping in the NBA is going to cause viewers to be lost. flopping has been happening the past years, yet the NBA has been gaining viewers in the past years.

and then you claim about "the best teams are in the playoffs this year and have the most storied franchises ever (being the celtics and lakers)" is a stupid claim as to why the playoffs this year brought in a larger number of viewers than previous, because the best teams are ALWAYS in the playoffs every year.

the whole thing started cause you claim flopping is going to make the NBA lose fans, but in actuality it's been going on over the past years but the NBA has done nothing but GAIN fans.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Oh give me a break, you know it's true. You think another Spurs/Pistons final would have gotten the same ratings? Please.

KT

no i don't know its true ... thats just the excuse that NBA haters keep using.

if that is why the finals had such high ratings ...

then why was the NBA playoffs ratings better as a whole, from game 1?

I'm not an NBA hater at all, I love the game (still prefer college hoops though). I watched more games this year over last because there more players I was interested in seeing, however I started to get quite annoyed by the crappy officiating and the blatant kowtowing to the leagues interests. When everyone can pick the officiating crew before it is announced because they know a particular team needs a win, well that's a problem in my book.

I'm not surprised the ratings for the playoffs are up at all when you have the two most storied franchises gong in as the favourites to win the whole thing. Remove LA and Boston from the picture, or even just lower them down in the seeding and I think the ratigns would have been much lower.

KT

lol that is such a stupid ass statement to make.

thats like saying "lets make the playoffs be the 16 worst teams in the league and see if the ratings are the same."

of course they won't be the same, that goes for any sport.

geee, i wonder which superbowl would have more viewers ... Patriots vs. Colts, or the Dolphins vs. the Raiders ... :roll:

Then why do you keep throwing these ratings in my face? Obviously the ratings are going to be up with these teams in it, but you didn't seem to be understanding that, which is why I felt I had to say it again. You just argued against yourself.

KT

no you claimed that the flopping in the NBA is going to cause viewers to be lost. flopping has been happening the past years, yet the NBA has been gaining viewers in the past years.

and then you claim about "the best teams are in the playoffs this year and have the most storied franchises ever (being the celtics and lakers)" is a stupid claim as to why the playoffs this year brought in a larger number of viewers than previous, because the best teams are ALWAYS in the playoffs every year.

the whole thing started cause you claim flopping is going to make the NBA lose fans, but in actuality it's been going on over the past years but the NBA has done nothing but GAIN fans.

I didn't claim flopping was going to cause a loss of fans, I claimed incompetent and shady officiating was going to cause a loss of fans.

The best teams are always in the playoffs, but it makes a difference when those teams are from major markets and are teams with a lot of history. Again, do you honestly believe the ratings would have been as high with a Spurs/Pistons final?

KT

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: spidey07
OK - enough is enough. I enjoy watching big soccer matches, I'm practically glued to the screen during the world cup. I played for a good amount of time, but you have got to be kidding me with the drama acting going on with these guys.

It's like their second skill is the flop, the painful facial expression, the doubling over in pain and yet NOBODY TOUCHED YOU. Do these guys take acting lessons? It's almost comical watching them in slow motion.

No, I'm not trolling. I understand the game, it is a contact sport. I understand really hard dangerous play/fouls that should be carded. But c'mon, for every real foul out there I'd put it at 5-1 acting to real foul.

Diving is a viable tactic in pretty much any sport. The only sport where this wouldn't be possible is one without any refs at all. If it is occuring too much, maybe they need to get better refs. It is also a dangerous tactic, if the ref is good, you will find yourself lying on the ground like a retard while your team plays a man down. I know that certain coaches used to teach how to play the ref, but most good coaches will say that's a waste of time. Players who run these tactics end up getting slaughtered by the better team.

Last but not least, soccer has the play on call. Which is badass.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Jack Ryan

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: Jack Ryan


It isn't about calling offsides correctly, it is the fact that the offsides rule is archaic and really is just plain annoying to a fan.

The field is huge, yet the rules want everyone to stay around each other.

Are you saying all players should just camp around the goal and let the goalies kick the balls at each other?

I don't know, is that what I am saying?

http://www.urbandictionary.com...erm=Baby+Seal+Argument

getting rid of the offsides rule is saying that yes

and i have no idea what your link is as its blocked here

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: spidey07
OK - enough is enough. I enjoy watching big soccer matches, I'm practically glued to the screen during the world cup. I played for a good amount of time, but you have got to be kidding me with the drama acting going on with these guys.

It's like their second skill is the flop, the painful facial expression, the doubling over in pain and yet NOBODY TOUCHED YOU. Do these guys take acting lessons? It's almost comical watching them in slow motion.

No, I'm not trolling. I understand the game, it is a contact sport. I understand really hard dangerous play/fouls that should be carded. But c'mon, for every real foul out there I'd put it at 5-1 acting to real foul.

Diving is a viable tactic in pretty much any sport. The only sport where this wouldn't be possible is one without any refs at all. If it is occuring too much, maybe they need to get better refs. It is also a dangerous tactic, if the ref is good, you will find yourself lying on the ground like a retard while your team plays a man down. I know that certain coaches used to teach how to play the ref, but most good coaches will say that's a waste of time. Players who run these tactics end up getting slaughtered by the better team.

Last but not least, soccer has the play on call. Which is badass.

you get carded in soccer for blatent diving, the refs are doing fine, the FA also reviews questionable calls and such and can fine people for it,

 

[NeoV]

wow are there some ignorant posts in this thread - I love the ones that say the euro players are ruining the NBA - how dare they actually know how to pass, shoot, and cut to the basket!

All of the Jim Rome "Soccer sucks" people are in the ignorant category as well - Soccer is the most popular sport on the planet, period. Is it more likely that we are wrong about it, or the rest of the world?

It may not be popular here as a professional sport, but it's thriving below that. I would wager that more kids are playing soccer than any other sport, in fact - that obviously doesn't last, but it's here to stay.

The NBA needs to address one rule - charging - it's damn near impossible to accurately call, it rewards flopping, and it's annoying as hell - think of how much more exciting the game would be if you removed charging from the lane altogether - I'd much rather see more dunks and more guys going for blocks than guys stepping under/in front of people who beat the first guy guarding them

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: NeoV


It may not be popular here as a professional sport, but it's thriving below that. I would wager that more kids are playing soccer than any other sport, in fact - that obviously doesn't last, but it's here to stay.

this is very true, in the past 10 years or so many many HS's have dropped football programs in favor of soccer simpley because it has become that much more popular,

ESPN and the like have done reports on this

 

[dudeman007]

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: dudeman007

Originally posted by: Gothgar

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
As though basketball is any better...

seriously.... basketball is terrible in this same aspect, I can't even watch a game.

Bingo...beat me to it. Basketball is a pansy game in comparison to soccer. Boo hoo he slapped my wrist wahhh.

Soccer will never be super popular in the US because the US will never be the best at it.

I used to think that way, but the USA team is getting better and better. I don't think they can be the best, but they are definitely heading towards good.

Please...tying Italy was hardly an accomplishment. The US team celebrates on ties, because they don't get enough big victories. More recently they tied Argentina(who are ranked 1st in the world by FIFA), but lost 2-0 to a crappy England team. They're getting better...but like I said they'll never be the best. Americans only care about the sports that no one else seems to care about.

 

[KLin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjsFu882zks

lol

That 2nd foul againast turkoglu was BS. Gasol was inside the frigging half circle.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: NeoV
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The NBA needs to address one rule - charging - it's damn near impossible to accurately call, it rewards flopping, and it's annoying as hell - think of how much more exciting the game would be if you removed charging from the lane altogether - I'd much rather see more dunks and more guys going for blocks than guys stepping under/in front of people who beat the first guy guarding them

you should watch re-runs of "Slamball" if that's the type of basketball you want.

I watched soccer for 2 minutes today, and within those first 2 minutes there were 2 phantom flops so over the top, that it became a joke to watch. I don't care how popular it is, I will not watch garbage like that.

For that same reason I hate watching jackasses like Ginobili in the NBA do the same exact thing. The difference is that it happens in roughly 100% of soccer games and can have a huge impact on the game. Where as in bball its just a foul and can only change a game if it happens in near the end (when the refs go easy anyway).

 

[StinkyPinky]

Originally posted by: oddyager

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Note that American wussies had to design tons of protective gear before daring to play Rugby. American Football is as much a sissy game as soccer is.

Please understand the average American Football players can probably sneeze and break the average rugby player in half. Now have the two sports go at it sans all protective gear and guarantee you plenty of deaths and disabilities would occur on the field with American Football. They are simply stronger, faster and more brutal than rugby. Please don't compare these two.

Most dumb thing I've read in a long time. Pro rugby players are big badasses my friend. They'd snap you in half no problem. Any rugby forward under 250lbs is small.

Some of the backs (such as halfback...kinda similar to the qback in football) are "smaller". They're still around 230lbs on average though.

Don't forget these guys are running around a hell of a lot more than football players.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: dudeman007

Originally posted by: sdifox

I used to think that way, but the USA team is getting better and better. I don't think they can be the best, but they are definitely heading towards good.

Please...tying Italy was hardly an accomplishment. The US team celebrates on ties, because they don't get enough big victories. More recently they tied Argentina(who are ranked 1st in the world by FIFA), but lost 2-0 to a crappy England team. They're getting better...but like I said they'll never be the best. Americans only care about the sports that no one else seems to care about.

Err, they are putting a lot of effort into Soccer. Regardless of how a particular season/match goes, they are showing they know how to learn and are learning, so I would not count them out yet.

 

[Sphexi]

Originally posted by: Summit
with the influx of europeans into the NBA, basketball is very floppy.

There's your answer.

European soccer is absolutely horrible for this. They take dives, they make up drama, overall it's painful to watch. Soccer is pretty much like basketball, where it's better to watch the minor/college league play as it's far more entertaining. Less drama, the players try harder, more action, just overall better quality sport.