Why so much praise for teachers when so many of them suck so much?

[RobCur]

a teacher's job is to babysit, their job is a bit too easy. it takes very little effort to do so, most of them complain about low pay, I just dont understand! once they get a raise, they will complain about having to pay too much tax! they have a good life and take 3 month vacation just like student but they just dont realize how far better then someone else having to work all the time with no vacation! most of them hate their job but once you are a teacher, its no turning back! most of them dont really care if you learn or not and they will blame it on the children instead for their lazy teaching habit. again, most of them just babysit and do a little talking about lazy student LOL.

 

[RobCur]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Dragnov
If teaching is such an easy job, good pay for how much you work, little stress, etc. why don't you guys want to be a teacher?

Am I missing something here?

Hell, parents cant even handle their own children, what makes you think you can handle a classroom full of them?

Because it isn't GOOD pay and why would you want to be something if you have no interest in it? If janitors were paid $50k, I wouldn't want to be a janitor.

50k is alot for a janitor, my dad only get paids 12k a year for being a janitor in a middle high school. sad but true..

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: RobCur
a teacher's job is to babysit, their job is a bit too easy. it takes very little effort to do so, most of them complain about low pay, I just dont understand! once they get a raise, they will complain about having to pay too much tax! they have a good life and take 3 month vacation just like student but they just dont realize how far better then someone else having to work all the time with no vacation! most of them hate their job but once you are a teacher, its no turning back! most of them dont really care if you learn or not and they will blame it on the children instead for their lazy teaching habit. again, most of them just babysit and do a little talking about lazy student LOL.

Sounds like you're a moron with no sense of reality.
Scenario:
Teach a lesson in class (lets make it a math lesson on pythagorean theorem)
Johnny refuses to take notes. Doesn't bring a pen or pencil to class. Doesn't bring a notebook to class.
Students do some guided practice in class. Teacher has provided a pencil and paper (which the teacher paid for out of his/her own pocket) for Johnny. Johnny continues to not attempt any of the problems and is disrupting the other students. Teacher warns Johnny that he needs to start working, if he continues to disrupt the other students, he's going to receive a detention. Teacher starts working 1 on 1 with a student having a little bit of trouble. Johnny flips off the teacher when the teacher isn't looking. Students receive a homework assignment of only 10 more problems for practice. The next day, everyone has them done, except Johnny, who shows up with no pencil or notebook. Johnny's parent (single parent household) has been called in the past about this... it does no good. Mom doesn't want to be bothered. Teacher goes over homework answers, does a problem or two on the board that a couple students made mistakes on (to remind them that c is the hypotenuse or whatever.) Johnny doesn't pay attention. Teacher extends lesson by working on types of problems that require the pythagorean theorem - ladder is 5 feet from the side of a building... kite string is 100 feet long... etc. Teacher then gives a quiz on the previous days material, every question was one from the homework. Johnny gets every question correct, but for the wrong answer key. Wow, he's got good eyes. This is the 5th time he copied the answers and got every question wrong. When's he going to even learn that the quizzes have the same questions but in a different order... copying the answers isn't going to help either.

At the end of class, teacher reminds students that he/she will be staying after school on Tuesday and Wednesday to give extra help to anyone who wants or needs extra help. Away from the other students, teacher says to Johnny, "you should come in for extra help, I think it'll really improve your grades." Johnny doesn't show up though.

And, RobCur thinks that Johnny's failing grade is the teacher's fault.
Oh, and in case you didn't know, RobCur, some teachers have classes of 30 or 35 students, 10 of whom behave exactly like Johnny. I'm fortunate to have a mixture of students. I teach the calculus class as well as the lower level math class. I printed off several Calc finals from different school's sites on the internet. My calculus students whom I "babysit" said they'd feel insulted if I gave them a test at the low level of difficulty that some of the colleges gave. But, truth be known, I do very little work for the calculus class. I can plan a month of lessons for that class in an hour. On the other hand, preparing for the lower level math class... I spend a great deal of time planning for each class, not to mention, preparing materials for after school help (which is a crap shoot if students will even show up.)

To conclude this little rant, RobCur, you are a moron. I'll bet you'll become the type of parent that doesn't care what their students do in school. I don't know if you're a college student or just a high school student. But, I challenge you to attempt either my pre-calculus final or my calculus final exam. (I'd almost be willing to bet you fail my freshman level final exam.) Your attitude toward teachers, and it would be reasonable to infer toward education in general, displays a complete lack of value on education. Then again, the world needs custodians and people to serve the rest of us hamburgers at lunch time when school is in session.

 

[dpopiz]

I go to one of those high test score highschools. the test scores are lies. students don't learn and absolutely do not care about learning at all. they just cram for tests and do everything purely to quote "look good for colleges".
people seem to be blind to this though. all they see is the good test scores and prestigious college acceptances.
my prediction is that when the students get out into the real world, they're going to realize that they just cheated their way through the system and never learned how to think. and as a result there will be an entire generation of lying cheating bastards that contribute nothing to society

 

[dfi]

Originally posted by: djplayx714
i guess you never read about the "No Child Left Behind" act signed into law by Bush.

becoming a teacher is now 10x harder, and all those teachers who didnt major in what they teach have to take a series of exams to earn a credential in that subject matter which means...there will be less math and science teachers available.

i know this because im a math teacher that went through the rigors of the new act. so i think i can safely say im not one of the sucky teachers.

I've seen the math credential exam type questions and sample tests because a friend had to take them. He didn't major in anything math related and hadn't done math in quite a while. He admitted that he wasn't very good at math. He basically refreshed/learned most of the material, passed all the exams on the first try, and did it within 6 months. Having done some of the problems with him for fun, and knowing how much time it took him to pass, it doesn't seem very hard to get the credentials to become a math teacher. Not saying it's a walk in the park, but I'm pretty sure that many of my friends could pass on the first try without too much difficulty.

Although, he has told me that the passing rate isn't very good for first-time takers. And admittedly, he is probably much smarter than average. But if credential testing makes it 10x harder to become a teacher than before, then I gasp to think how underqualified and almost incompetent my past teachers must've been when they first started.

dfi

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Johnny refuses to take notes.

Just let the little bastard fail. He doesn't want to learn, so don't waste any time trying to teach him. If he's distracting other students, by all means try to do something, but if he's just doing his own things and not bothering anybody else, there's no problem.

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Johnny refuses to take notes.

Just let the little bastard fail. He doesn't want to learn, so don't waste any time trying to teach him. If he's distracting other students, by all means try to do something, but if he's just doing his own things and not bothering anybody else, there's no problem.

Ha.. problem is as a professional and a teacher you are accountable for his low test scores. You can't just not care.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Johnny refuses to take notes.

Just let the little bastard fail. He doesn't want to learn, so don't waste any time trying to teach him. If he's distracting other students, by all means try to do something, but if he's just doing his own things and not bothering anybody else, there's no problem.

Ha.. problem is as a professional and a teacher you are accountable for his low test scores. You can't just not care.

Exactly! If Johnny gets low scores, you could be out of a job, or your district could receive less funding b/c of low test scores overall (and YOUR student contributed)... see the problem now?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: djplayx714
i guess you never read about the "No Child Left Behind" act signed into law by Bush.

becoming a teacher is now 10x harder, and all those teachers who didnt major in what they teach have to take a series of exams to earn a credential in that subject matter which means...there will be less math and science teachers available.

i know this because im a math teacher that went through the rigors of the new act. so i think i can safely say im not one of the sucky teachers.

Good luck getting certified... 50% of teachers in Philly failed the tests first time around, many who all have masters in their subject that they teach...

 

[CanOWorms]

I think teachers can get good pay for their work. How much more are you going to pay them anyways?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Johnny refuses to take notes.

Just let the little bastard fail. He doesn't want to learn, so don't waste any time trying to teach him. If he's distracting other students, by all means try to do something, but if he's just doing his own things and not bothering anybody else, there's no problem.

Ha.. problem is as a professional and a teacher you are accountable for his low test scores. You can't just not care.

Exactly! If Johnny gets low scores, you could be out of a job, or your district could receive less funding b/c of low test scores overall (and YOUR student contributed)... see the problem now?

add that on some places are tieing raises into how well students do. Also parents are starting to SUE if little johnny gets a F.

 

[ShawnD1]

There's a simple fix for bad high school students: make high school expensive. College students pay attention because they paid a lot of money to learn. High school students would pay attention too if they had to pay for school.

 

[djplayx714]

This is truly one of those topics where if you've never been in a teaching situation you really should not form any ill opinions of teachers. Male teachers I will admit have a much easier time in the classroom than do female teachers. There are I admit bad teachers, as well as bad doctors, and even bad religious figureheads. Yet please do not let that influence you to make one blanket statement on the entire population.

If children are the future, then teachers are the guides of the future. I can not emphasize enough how important it is for people to support their local education systems. If you continually criticize and bash us teachers you are only hurting your children and their futures. There is no good that can come from the name calling and finger pointing. Please be rational and understand this.

 

[lobadobadingdong]

children are the future, then teachers are the guides of the future

Parents should be the guides of the future though.

 

[djplayx714]

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong

children are the future, then teachers are the guides of the future

Parents should be the guides of the future though.

Let's say parents and teachers have an equal share. After all most parents are at work from 9-5. Teachers are the ones responsible for formally educating them unless of course the student is in home school.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong

children are the future, then teachers are the guides of the future

Parents should be the guides of the future though.

I'd settle for the sperm donor and incubator to actually be parents and stop relying on others to raise their hellspawns

 

[screw3d]

Originally posted by: Staley8
I remember when I was in high school. It was a really tough school with a lot of gangs, violence, and drugs. Then we had this pretty hot looking substitute teacher for a little while. We all made fun of her at first but then realized she was really tough and was and ex-marine who could fight too. Then she taught us so much stuff it was just plain ridiculous how much this lady completely changed our lives. Then we all sang "Gangsta's Paradise"

So if you've never been a teacher, or never lived with a teacher and see how much crap work they have to do while getting paid in circus peanuts. As well as put with with stupid parents and kids then you shouldn't complain about how bad they "sucked". Maybe you just sucked.

Does this teacher of yours got a story on her in Reader's Digest by any chance? I remember reading a story about this young female teacher who was also an ex-marine..

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1
There's a simple fix for bad high school students: make high school expensive. College students pay attention because they paid a lot of money to learn. High school students would pay attention too if they had to pay for school.

good idea if only college grads could vote.

 

[lobadobadingdong]

Originally posted by: djplayx714

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong

children are the future, then teachers are the guides of the future

Parents should be the guides of the future though.

Let's say parents and teachers have an equal share. After all most parents are at work from 9-5. Teachers are the ones responsible for formally educating them unless of course the student is in home school.

I agree with you, "should" in that sentence doesn't seem to equal to "is" anymore unfortunatly.