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Ever heard of NT4?
No it wasn't. MacOS 9x is a dinosaur OS with features ripped straight from the 1980s. It has no modern features at all.
Windows 9x/ME, while not a server class OS, is still a modern OS. It has core features such as dynamic memory allocation, pre-emptive multasking, dynamic caching, partial protected memory and other such features.
MacOS 9x has none of those features and it's appalling that the thing is even in use in the year 2003.
i have a mac ox 9.1 running on an imac that my kids use. i'm much more comfortable leaving that entirely in their hands than i would be any win 9x os machine. win9x was unstable. unstable. unstable.
win nt4 was never big in the user end market. even win2k pro took a while to take off with end users. win xp is the first really decent OS for homeusers that MS put out. i'm still not a big fan of Win xp home. XP Pro i like home i don't.
in my opinion win xp pro is the first ms OS to out mac the mac.
This is all completely correct. OS9 was completely lacking protected memory and was only as advanced as windows 3.11. Applications would crash constantly and every time a single application crashed you had to restart the whole system. Pre-OSX was garbage. Would have made windows 3.11 a good competitor though...
Apple has really got my attention software side. At my school all of the computers are macs(emacs, imacs, etc.) running OS 9.2 and IMHO it is a horrid OS, almost as bad as Windows 9x (Compared to 2k, XP). However for my Computer Science 3 class we program in Java2 in which we need OS X. OS X is an outstanding OS with a very nice collection of iSoftware.
However apple hardware just sucks. Apple hardware is years behind PC architecture, not to mention the cost is much more and you have to buy one pre-built.
If Apple were to sell OS X for the PC for ~$100, no doubt in my mind I would pick up a copy.
However apple hardware just sucks. Apple hardware is years behind PC architecture, not to mention the cost is much more and you have to buy one pre-built.
If Apple were to sell OS X for the PC for ~$100, no doubt in my mind I would pick up a copy.
I started out on macs, my uncle owns a few mac stores around here. I always loved them and such, HELL i used a 25mhz 68040 for about 5 years.
When you look at my personality i really fit more of a pc person (which i have become) I love to "hardware hack", Game, and all that good stuff. I love my PC's.
I finally bought myself a beige G3 and got OSX (10.2) up and running, i really like it, its still just a toy that i play around with, along with the STACKS of old macs i've recently got.
If i had more than $100 to my name right now i'd have a nice BIG desk with a Big fancy PC and a Big fancy Mac, however beeing in college these are things i cannot afford. My G3 300mhz (266 @300, Ah the PC in me) is a very fun machine to play with, for now.
Apple really does have it going for them with software, sure their are 100 PC programs you can use to get and albumize digital camera pics, but you dont need 100 when only 5 are worthwile.
Games are still lacking, as well as game hardware, but these things take time.
Apple has also always been pretty good at getting neat little products out, I could not imagine a DAY without my 10GB iPod, there is simply nothing to compare it with. Sure like my friend you could pick up one of thoes archos things for $200 with 20 GB of memory, but have you ever tried to use one? worst interface ever.
One of my fav quotes:
"There's an old saying in the PC industry: In 1985, Apple was going out of business. In 1996, Apple was going out of business. In 2020, Apple will still be going out of business."
Apple is not going anywhere, like the ads for the Xserve say "We mean business"
When you look at my personality i really fit more of a pc person (which i have become) I love to "hardware hack", Game, and all that good stuff. I love my PC's.
I finally bought myself a beige G3 and got OSX (10.2) up and running, i really like it, its still just a toy that i play around with, along with the STACKS of old macs i've recently got.
If i had more than $100 to my name right now i'd have a nice BIG desk with a Big fancy PC and a Big fancy Mac, however beeing in college these are things i cannot afford. My G3 300mhz (266 @300, Ah the PC in me) is a very fun machine to play with, for now.
Apple really does have it going for them with software, sure their are 100 PC programs you can use to get and albumize digital camera pics, but you dont need 100 when only 5 are worthwile.
Games are still lacking, as well as game hardware, but these things take time.
Apple has also always been pretty good at getting neat little products out, I could not imagine a DAY without my 10GB iPod, there is simply nothing to compare it with. Sure like my friend you could pick up one of thoes archos things for $200 with 20 GB of memory, but have you ever tried to use one? worst interface ever.
One of my fav quotes:
"There's an old saying in the PC industry: In 1985, Apple was going out of business. In 1996, Apple was going out of business. In 2020, Apple will still be going out of business."
Apple is not going anywhere, like the ads for the Xserve say "We mean business"
I think this is one of the areas that I'm always real hesitant to converse about... I consider myself very computer knowledgeable, but the last time I dealt with Macs in general was.. umm 7th grade? We maintained a portion of the school website for an advanced class and in the meantime I learned the ins and outs of networking on OS7 and eventually 8... lol.
Anyways, all I knew back then was that whatever I did on the mac, the only 3 files I could ever get to work on my PC were HTML, JPEG, and GIF.
That pissed me off.
Of course, understanding the whats and whys over the years has helped calm the anger... but I can never seem to get it out of my head. While I'd love to have an SMP Mac g4 with OSX to do hardcore video editing, etc. I still have the lingering innate fear of never getting my PC and my Mac to connect to each other in any way... having to code my movies in Java or something... lol.
Maybe if we just all went to a Unix / Linux platform, life would be easier.... oh to wish for those days...
but anyways, has the connectivity / networkability of Macs and PCs gotten any better? I mean honestly I'd like to know.
Anyways, all I knew back then was that whatever I did on the mac, the only 3 files I could ever get to work on my PC were HTML, JPEG, and GIF.
That pissed me off.
Of course, understanding the whats and whys over the years has helped calm the anger... but I can never seem to get it out of my head. While I'd love to have an SMP Mac g4 with OSX to do hardcore video editing, etc. I still have the lingering innate fear of never getting my PC and my Mac to connect to each other in any way... having to code my movies in Java or something... lol.
Maybe if we just all went to a Unix / Linux platform, life would be easier.... oh to wish for those days...
but anyways, has the connectivity / networkability of Macs and PCs gotten any better? I mean honestly I'd like to know.
Yep. I can just go to the Finder -> Connect to Server and hit any windows network I see. It's actually 3 steps LESS than if I was on a WinXP machine.
You mean the OS that has fast user switching and enough security to limit kids use and computer hours and the stability of NT plus the user friendliness and software compatibility of 98?
I can't think of a better OS for a family. What specific problems are you having? There might be an easy solution.
That's cool it's gotten better.
I can connect to any server from XP (or start-menu base MS OS) with one keyboard hotkey and typing the name though.
I don't like them, for what i use computers for, they are useless to me. Maybe as a dvd player on a trip, but my pc laptop does that. Count me out of this "revolution".
Thats what I meant... if we could get EVERYONE on a more... umm... convenient Unix based OS like OSX then hardware platform would start being a non issue... we're heading that way it seems from the outside, but at the root of it all, it's gonna be a long time before companies like MS and Apple are willing to let their marketshare slide for the sake of cross compatibility.
Also, now you can connect to any windows network on a Mac you say... but how easy is it to go the other direction? I mean in theory, like at my house I have 3 PCs that I just drag and drop new stuff between them all the time... from a compatibility standpoint, back in the day, even simple files like documents couldnt be opened across platform unless formatted in a universal code like HTML, or so it seemed. Has that changed now? Could I write something in Word on a mac and network browse and grab it from my win2k box and open it? Just that general thing has been what's scared me off from Macs in the past.
Apple is about as cross platform as it can get. Windows formated HDDs and disks work fine when I use them on a Mac. Unfortunetly MS doesn't play as nice.
I currently have 1 mac and 2 PCs networked at my house and I drag 'n drop stuff across them all the time. I don't have 10.2 on my Mac so I have to use Samba to mount the shared folders on my other 2 PCs but that's not a big deal or anything.Lethal
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