Why so angry, android fans?

[Red Storm]

EXACtLY! Why are they so frustrated about your choice! In fact, variety is awesome. If I found a slickdeal I'd give the square blackberry a try - stop having a bias! It'll keep you from enjoying things. If the galaxy s 6 is that curved glass beauty render then sign me up, until then my iphone's just fine, and i don't care about memory or sd card slots - i'll just upgrade for free every 18 months due to outstanding resale value and great accessories.

It's not free, and the resale value of Apple products is not what it once was. I speak from experience of buying and selling all my phones and tablets for years. My wife's iPhone 5S is worth half of what it was a year ago.

 

[Ichinisan]

It's not free, and the resale value of Apple products is not what it once was. I speak from experience of buying and selling all my phones and tablets for years. My wife's iPhone 5S is worth half of what it was a year ago.

I just sold my iPhone 5s 64GB GSM (AT&T) Space Gray for $530 on eBay. AT&T granted the unlock request. That probably added $30 or so to the value.

 

[crashtech]

Eh, I reserve any hate I have for iTunes, not Apple users. That piece of software excrement turned me away from Apple even before anyone had heard of the iPhone.

 

[Crono]

Samsung does that. I bought my dad a galaxy mega and was giving it the once over. so many features of questionable value, implemented poorly. I don't mean to knock on samsung, i own a tv of theirs. but instead of bloating the phone why not focus on less features but better execution? i'm shocked by how well touch id work, as an example.

All companies do certain things well and other things not as well.

If I had complete control over what went into a phone (excluding Project Ara or building my own phone) I would want Motorola and HTC to jointly make the body, Apple to provide the CPU, Samsung to provide the display (or JDI, maybe even Sharp for the panel itself) and memory, Nokia to craft the camera, BlackBerry to design the keyboard (only if it could be a thin slide-out one) and Microsoft working with Google to create the OS. Apple would give them all the code necessary to make iOS apps run on the new OS - I don't want Apple working on the higher level OS design, UI, or putting their cloud services on it, but they could help Nokia with the camera stuff.

Substitute Samsung with LG and HTC with Sony if those companies bid to do it cheaper.
Microsoft and Samsung can make the pen for it, designed to use OneNote, and HTC the speakers/audio. LG would provide any of the other miscellaneous electronics or components.

Anyone who says x or y company makes a perfect phone clearly hasn't been using enough devices. Each does two or three things better than the others, at most.

 

[mmntech]

Oh, there are BB and WP zealots out there. As a Z10 owner, I frequent the flagship BB fan site, CrackBerry. They're desperate and even worse than Fandroids and iSheep. If Eric Schmidt gets spotted with a BlackBerry, it WILL and HAS BEEN making headline news over there with hundreds of article comments. And if there is any mention of Android or iOS, they'll be frantically clacking away on their physical keyboards, slagging off 'those lesser, non-working consumers' at break-thumb speed.


I have a former friend who is genuinely insulted when offered Pepsi as an alternative to Coke. Former.

BlackBerry certainly still has a small but zealous fanbase. Native BB10 support is still one of our top requested app features. Though our GM has said flat out it's never going to happen. The install base is so small now, the revenue it would generate would barely cover the cost of porting it. Same applies with WP8. Dev team resources are better spent ironing bugs and adding new features to iOS and Android.

 

[slackerinabox]

It's not free, and the resale value of Apple products is not what it once was. I speak from experience of buying and selling all my phones and tablets for years. My wife's iPhone 5S is worth half of what it was a year ago.

hmm, i got 2 great years out of my iphone 5 and got a trade in of $250 for it (I could have gotten better if I tried private buyers, i'm just lazy). That flat out covered my upgrade cost, but sure that $199 was an on contract price. But I doubt I'd get $100 for a 2 year old android phone.

 

[OverVolt]

My brother (CZroe) had a Note 3. He got an iPhone 6 Plus at launch.

...and why do people always imply that the latest iPhone costs more than the latest flagship Android phone? It just isn't true.

Yea for just the actual phone maybe. That Apple iOS universe and proprietary out the wazoo stuff though.

 

[purbeast0]

hmm, i got 2 great years out of my iphone 5 and got a trade in of $250 for it (I could have gotten better if I tried private buyers, i'm just lazy). That flat out covered my upgrade cost, but sure that $199 was an on contract price. But I doubt I'd get $100 for a 2 year old android phone.

i got my ip4 on verizon in february of 2011 for $250.

i traded it in a week ago for $200 after i got my ip6 lol.

 

[ponyo]

i got my ip4 on verizon in february of 2011 for $250.

i traded it in a week ago for $200 after i got my ip6 lol.

Verizon is subsidizing your ip4 trade in. They want to lock you in for another 2 years on their network. My brother-in-law traded in his original Galaxy S Captivate to Bestbuy for $200 to buy the new Note 4. Samsung is running that promotion and subsidizing it.

You can often get Android flagship phones at discount or free couple months after the release with 2yr contract. You can't with the iPhones. So resale values are a wash and no longer favor Apple. Used iPhones/iPads no longer hold crazy values like in the past. Apple makes too many and the used market is saturated with it.

 

[BUTCH1]

Starting a thread like this is the exact same thing as those Android guys complaining. In fact this is even worse because you didn't do it in an existing thread and made a whole new one.

Agree, do we need a "platform-gate" thread in OT?, post it in mobile and let the shit-slinging go on over there, just my 2 cents.

 

[Ichinisan]

Yea for just the actual phone maybe. That Apple iOS universe and proprietary out the wazoo stuff though.

There's way more competition in the accessories market and you can get awesome accessories on the cheap.

So...no.

 

[CZroe]

What was the reason for the upgrade and why pay hundreds for it? Why not the Note 4 if upgrading based on tech specs?

I've been exclusively Android since 2011 (Xperia PLAY) and there are daily frustrations that they still haven't fixed. Even the "best" keyboards like Swype and SwiftKey are freakin' terrible without enough customization despite all the praise they get. iOS's keyboard has gotten worse (no way to see case without moving your finger out of the way and memorizing what color means what on a keyboard that can change colors per app!), but at least I can use it without turning auto-correct off.

AirPlay with AppleTV was another huge incentive.

Yes, I was rooted and using Google Now and thoroughly versed in the Android ecosystem (Google services, ChromeCast, etc). I had the full experience.

Screen size and capacity removed two more reasons I stuck it out with Android (had a 128GB mSD in my 32GB Note 3).

I don't know why a single person expected the iPhone 6 or 6 Plus to have "at least 2GB" of RAM. FFS, only the highest end Android devices have that much and no one honestly expected it to MATCH the high-end Android phones (never have and never needed to). Sure enough, people start acting like 3GB is the norm for flagship Android phones and 2GB is the bare minimum, which simply isn't true. Did people forget that it was RIDICULOUS that the Note 3 had 3GB? Just because the Note exists, we can't compare it to the other Android flagships because it makes our comparison less extreme. That's some might convenient cherry-picking. Nobody flipped out when the S5 arrived with less RAM than the Note 3 because we UNDERSTOOD that we didn't need 3GB+ for a 1080p phone. The Note 4 and other QHD phones coming with 3GB+ changes nothing until Apple wants to try QHD with 1GB. Apples to Oranges. Let's be honest with ourselves and stop trying to find something to get angry about.

 

[poofyhairguy]

I don't know why a single person expected the iPhone 6 or 6 Plus to have "at least 2GB" of RAM.

Because as Anand clearly showed, if you use 64 bit apps (like all the Apple provided ones) you end up with less usable RAM than a two year old phone. That is sad, no matter if Android exists or not.

And 2GB isn't just a high-end Android feature-in 2014 its the midrange standard too.

 

[CZroe]

Because as Anand clearly showed, if you use 64 bit apps (like all the Apple provided ones) you end up with less usable RAM than a two year old phone. That is sad, no matter if Android exists or not.

And 2GB isn't just a high-end Android feature-in 2014 its the midrange standard too.

Range confusion? Yes, it is filtering down, but that's not out of necessity.

Low-end: Moto E (1GB)
Mid-range: Moto G (1GB)
High-end: Moto X (2GB)
Ultra high-end: GNote, GAlpha, GRound, Find 7, etc (2-3GB just, well, because)

Note: Motorola doesn't compete with other high-end flagship specs but even the current GS5 has 2GB.

 

[Red Storm]

I don't know why a single person expected the iPhone 6 or 6 Plus to have "at least 2GB" of RAM. FFS, only the highest end Android devices have that much and no one honestly expected it to MATCH the high-end Android phones (never have and never needed to). Sure enough, people start acting like 3GB is the norm for flagship Android phones and 2GB is the bare minimum, which simply isn't true. Did people forget that it was RIDICULOUS that the Note 3 had 3GB? Just because the Note exists, we can't compare it to the other Android flagships because it makes our comparison less extreme. That's some might convenient cherry-picking. Nobody flipped out when the S5 arrived with less RAM than the Note 3 because we UNDERSTOOD that we didn't need 3GB+ for a 1080p phone. The Note 4 and other QHD phones coming with 3GB+ changes nothing until Apple wants to try QHD with 1GB. Apples to Oranges. Let's be honest with ourselves and stop trying to find something to get angry about.

Wanting more than 1GB RAM in iPhones has nothing to do with Android. I want more RAM because of Safari tabs having to reload all the time. It's annoying, and can easily be fixed by Apple.

 

[CZroe]

Wanting more than 1GB RAM in iPhones has nothing to do with Android. I want more RAM because of Safari tabs having to reload all the time. It's annoying, and can easily be fixed by Apple.

I know, me too, but there's a difference between wanting it and expecting it. Expecting it because "LOL! Every Android phone since 2012 has had it" is out-right wrong. 2GB is still current high-end in Android land and Apple has never matched current high end Android specs, especially in the system memory spec.

I wonder if 1.5GB would've been enough to satisfy.

 

[purbeast0]

the only people who expected/cared about the ip6 to have 2gb of ram or more are android users who were never going to be a target audience for an iphone anyways. at least they are the only ones who are caring after the fact about it, based on what i've read on this forum.

the target of the iphone 6 (and most apple products) simply don't care about how much ram is in the phone as long as it works fine and is a smooth experience.

 

[dainthomas]

I know, me too, but there's a difference between wanting it and expecting it. Expecting it because "LOL! Every Android phone since 2012 has had it" is out-right wrong. 2GB is still current high-end in Android land and Apple has never matched current high end Android specs, especially in the system memory spec.

I wonder if 1.5GB would've been enough to satisfy.

RAM is the new screen size for Apple. "1GB is the perfect amount of RAM! No one will ever need more than that!"

Until they change it, then that will be the new perfect specification.

 

[smackababy]

Why does a phone need more RAM if it performs just fine on the current amount? I've never had a out of RAM issue on any iPhone I've owned, and I'm sure the 6 isn't going to start showing them.

The best part is, once you get a ton of RAM, people start bitching because the system actually uses it. Look at PC gaming "Omg! Windows is using 70% of my RAM! Whaaaaa!"

 

[Red Storm]

I know, me too, but there's a difference between wanting it and expecting it. Expecting it because "LOL! Every Android phone since 2012 has had it" is out-right wrong. 2GB is still current high-end in Android land and Apple has never matched current high end Android specs, especially in the system memory spec.

I wonder if 1.5GB would've been enough to satisfy.

Again, you keep bringing up Android.

This has nothing to do with Android.

When my Safari tabs are constantly having to reload because of inadequate RAM, then it needs to be fixed. This is an iOS problem, does not relate to or involve Android at all. I expected Apple to fix it this year, and there's really no excuse for it to not have been dealt with this time.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Again, you keep bringing up Android.

This has nothing to do with Android.

When my Safari tabs are constantly having to reload because of inadequate RAM, then it needs to be fixed. This is an iOS problem, does not relate to or involve Android at all. I expected Apple to fix it this year, and there's really no excuse for it to not have been dealt with this time.

The screen has to reload? Oh the horror!!

 

[dainthomas]

The screen has to reload? Oh the horror!!

So it sounds like a performance issue Apple could fix with a dollar's worth of hardware.

 

[CZroe]

Again, you keep bringing up Android.

This has nothing to do with Android.

When my Safari tabs are constantly having to reload because of inadequate RAM, then it needs to be fixed. This is an iOS problem, does not relate to or involve Android at all. I expected Apple to fix it this year, and there's really no excuse for it to not have been dealt with this time.

My only point was about Android comparison complaints. You're trying to drag me away from the point and conversation thread I started to complain when we agree. Your point != my point.

Like I said, lack of memory bothers me too, but the people *expecting* 2GB were expecting it because of a expectation set by Android mid and high end ranges. I'm saying that they were stupid to expect it and have deluded themselves about the current state of Android specs. I'm NOT saying that we are stupid to desire it and have no use for it. It's pretty clear to me that Apple is saving that for the S iteration. Obviously, they want us to need the performance improvements.

One of my BIGGEST complaints with my Note 3 was that even Google apps would refuse to use the 3GB of memory. YouTube, for example, would flush the buffer and re-download for every little thing. Want to scrub back 5 seconds? Scrub forward within the range it has clearly buffered? Peek at a notification? Lock the screen momentarily? Gotta start downloading all over again! It made being throttled on AT&T Unlimited Data that much worse.

 

[poofyhairguy]

The screen has to reload? Oh the horror!!

When the 2012 iPhone 5 has more usable RAM for Safari than the brand new iPhone 6 it is pretty horrible.

I don't mind if Apple doesn't want to provide "Android" or "Windows"-level hardware value in their products. I DO mind if they have products that go BACKWARDS.

I mean, iOS 7 runs better on a iPad 2 than a iPad 3. Why? Because just like the iPhone 6 and RAM the iPad 3 went BACKWARDS on GPU power per pixel.

Apple could have given us an across the board upgrade for the iPhone 6 like they did with the iPhone 5 but they didn't. Its obvious that the 6 is a good enough effort, and the 6S will be what the 6 should have been. Android doesn't matter in this conversation. Android existing or not doesn't make Safari have more RAM or make that iPad 3 run smoother.

It doesn't matter if Android phones have 2GB or 10GB of RAM, what matters is the iPhone 6 is a freaking step backwards from the iPhone 5 if you are someone like my wife who loads up Safari with a ton of tabs. What matters is that Apple has had TWO FREAKING YEARS to nail the phablet form factor (as it has been obvious that is the direction to go since 2012), and we end up with a product that bends in half.

Android doesn't matter. What matters is Apple not putting out quality products.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Like I said, lack of memory bothers me too, but the people *expecting* 2GB were expecting it because of a expectation set by Android mid and high end ranges.

No, my expectations were NOT set by Android. My expectations were set by the fact Anand made it CLEAR that the iPhone 5s was a STEP BACK from the 2012 iPhone 5 for Apple apps like Safari that use a lot of RAM. I expected and assumed more than 1GB of ram this year because the idea that a 2012 model is superior to the 2014 model for ANYTHING other than being a bulkier and heavier paperweight is insane.


Of course, you are correct that in retrospect I shouldn't have. I was wrong to expect Apple to provide value.

It is obvious that Apple's thing is to FLEECE their customers with subpar products when they launch some new "innovation" (aka the iPad 3, the first retina Macbooks, and now the larger sized iPhone 6) and then wait until the second cycle to put out a good long-term product (aka the iPad 2, the iPad 4, etc.). They broke that mold with the iPhone 5 (which again was a COMPLETE upgrade) but that now looks more like the exception than the rule.