Why should we learn spanish in the USA

[lokiju]

I know all to well about this subject, I live in south FL and work in Miami and it is nuts that more places in Miami are all Spanish or mostly Spanish speaking, I go to get lunch and have to have my co-worker order for me just because I don't speak Spanish, now thats just not right. Even all the signs and billboards around there are in Spanish, its just to much, there is no incentive for someone to learn English if they speak Spanish and live in Miami.


I think it should be required to learn English to live in this country, I even had a discussion about this with my brothers wife who is from Columbia and she agrees that anyone should have to learn English who comes here also.

 

[paulney]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: cobalt
I have no problem learning another language; however, we shouldn't be bending over backwards because Mexican immigrants refuse to learn English.

Winner.

:thumbsup:

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: paulney

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: cobalt
I have no problem learning another language; however, we shouldn't be bending over backwards because Mexican immigrants refuse to learn English.

Winner.

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by: paulney

Originally posted by: Ornery
Some of us (red state voters) are trying like crazy to make English the official language. Tell your nitwit blue state leaders to get with the damn program!

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NEF some more?

 

[paulney]

NEF some more?

Huh? I totally agree with those two opinions, and there's nothing else to add them.
Please get on with your life.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: paulney

NEF some more?

Huh? I totally agree with those two opinions, and there's nothing else to add them.
Please get on with your life.

:thumbsup:

 

[paulney]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: paulney

NEF some more?

Huh? I totally agree with those two opinions, and there's nothing else to add them.
Please get on with your life.

:thumbsup:

Thank you. Thank you.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: yllus
I think that a good amount of people boil it down to 'racism' without thinking about the issue in a larger context.

Language is a very strong part of any culture. You could argue that the mass immigration that America is apparently recieving seems to have led to a considerable replacement of 'American' culture in some regions of the country. I also tend to consider immigrant communities that do not try to tie into the rest of the country as detrimental as a whole - in my opinion often quite insular and racist. Multicultural societies like those in Canada and the U.S. do respect all cultures, but it's only reasonable to require one dominant language of communication throughout the nation.

You can draw some parallel with the measures France is taking in recent times against dark-skinned, Muslim Moroccan immigrants. If you get a mass amount of migrants who have little interest in learning the history, culture or language of the land - and then slowly start an inexorable climb towards becoming a majority. What is to become of the prized French roots and history? Are you going to just let it wash away over time? The solution isn't reactionary laws like some they've enacted, but they do have a valid concern for the country they know and love.

I hate to say it, but really, such thinking isn't that far off the ideals of National Socialism, is it? They felt that wandering peoples with no homeland compromised the integrity of a state. By extension, those with homelands should remain.

Their solution to this "problem" over the years was without description in its horror, but I think the fundamental desire to remain wholly something is with us all.

 

[Nitemare]

Wrong post...

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: yllus
I think that a good amount of people boil it down to 'racism' without thinking about the issue in a larger context.

Language is a very strong part of any culture. You could argue that the mass immigration that America is apparently recieving seems to have led to a considerable replacement of 'American' culture in some regions of the country. I also tend to consider immigrant communities that do not try to tie into the rest of the country as detrimental as a whole - in my opinion often quite insular and racist. Multicultural societies like those in Canada and the U.S. do respect all cultures, but it's only reasonable to require one dominant language of communication throughout the nation.

You can draw some parallel with the measures France is taking in recent times against dark-skinned, Muslim Moroccan immigrants. If you get a mass amount of migrants who have little interest in learning the history, culture or language of the land - and then slowly start an inexorable climb towards becoming a majority. What is to become of the prized French roots and history? Are you going to just let it wash away over time? The solution isn't reactionary laws like some they've enacted, but they do have a valid concern for the country they know and love.

I hate to say it, but really, such thinking isn't that far off the ideals of National Socialism, is it? They felt that wandering peoples with no homeland compromised the integrity of a state. By extension, those with homelands should remain.

Their solution to this "problem" over the years was without description in its horror, but I think the fundamental desire to remain wholly something is with us all.

Hitler did think that ethnic diversity was a weakness and divisive. Then again, he also thought democracy was equally as bad for a nation for the same reasons. This is obviously untrue - only from harnessing the power of brilliant minds from all corners of the glove who immigrate to America has the country become what it is today. There is no master race or culture type of self-fellation going on here.

There should be some emphasis on requiring every citizen of the country to be verbally able to communicate with every other citizen of the country. That's all. You're tempting severe polarization and isolation of pockets of the country if this is not achieved over the long term. The rest of my previous post was meant to point out that to dismiss those who comment on the influx of Spanish-only speakers into America as racists isn't fair. You can hold some fear for the diminishment of your country's culture without being a racist.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Yank that sorry fscker, Moss already

Yeah, I'm tired of him teaching us Spanish. that motherfvcker!

 

[SpunkyJones]

Originally posted by: paulney

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: cobalt
I have no problem learning another language; however, we shouldn't be bending over backwards because Mexican immigrants refuse to learn English.

Winner.

:thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

 

[intogamer]

learning latin is worse they say it helps you in english.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Some of us (red state voters) are trying like crazy to make English the official language. Tell your nitwit blue state leaders to get with the damn program!

I'd rather continue to see product labels and such in Spanish than have thousands of American boys murdered needlessly, far from home. Hey, you brought it up.

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I agree with the OP though, I'd rather not have to read/hear everything twice, once in English & once in Spanish. I think businesses have normalized it in attempts to appeal to native Spanish speakers and once that happened the rest was inevitable, especially with the sheer number of Latinos immigrating to the US.

 

[raildogg]

we shouldnt be forced to learn spanish. only if you want to

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
I agree that we shouldn't be forced to learn Spanish as a second language , but it doesn't hurt to know it anyways. Having a little booklet at a Sonic isn't going to destroy our culture, but ill definitely protest if we ever tried to impliment spanish as requried curriculum in our schools.

" but ill definitely protest if we ever tried to impliment spanish as requried curriculum in our schools"

GANG VIOLENCE IN RURAL GEORGIA: A COMMUNITYS' FIGHT

Because 85% of the population is Mexican, they've been forced to teach classes only in Spanish.

 

[aplefka]

I would take it anyway I think, but I do think that 3 years of spanish is a bit stupid of a requirement for colleges to have. We're one of the worst nations at math and science, we should be required to take more than algebra or geometry or whatever it is. And after Biology and Chemistry, you could be done with science. The requirements just don't make sense.

 

I think this thread shows just how xenophobic some Americans are. What's wrong with learning another language - expanding your horizons, so to speak? If anything, it'll make you more worldly. No one expects you to learn another language, but it's definitely a more enjoyable life experience if you do.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: jumpr
I think this thread shows just how xenophobic some Americans are. What's wrong with learning another language - expanding your horizons, so to speak? If anything, it'll make you more worldly. No one expects you to learn another language, but it's definitely a more enjoyable life experience if you do.

That's not the argument.

 

[Staples]

Because my yard man only speaks Spanish and he is the best at what he does.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Mo0o
I agree that we shouldn't be forced to learn Spanish as a second language , but it doesn't hurt to know it anyways. Having a little booklet at a Sonic isn't going to destroy our culture, but ill definitely protest if we ever tried to impliment spanish as requried curriculum in our schools.

" but ill definitely protest if we ever tried to impliment spanish as requried curriculum in our schools"

GANG VIOLENCE IN RURAL GEORGIA: A COMMUNITYS' FIGHT

Because 85% of the population is Mexican, they've been forced to teach classes only in Spanish.

85% of the population is NOT Mexican.

From your own article: "According to the census report, 85 percent of Hall County's foreign-born residents are not citizens of the United States. Just how many of the 19,100 foreign-born residents are here legally is not known."

Hall County Population: 156,101 Link

That's about 19.6% Hispanic. Stop making sh!t up, Dave.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Mo0o
I agree that we shouldn't be forced to learn Spanish as a second language , but it doesn't hurt to know it anyways. Having a little booklet at a Sonic isn't going to destroy our culture, but ill definitely protest if we ever tried to impliment spanish as requried curriculum in our schools.

" but ill definitely protest if we ever tried to impliment spanish as requried curriculum in our schools"

GANG VIOLENCE IN RURAL GEORGIA: A COMMUNITYS' FIGHT

Because 85% of the population is Mexican, they've been forced to teach classes only in Spanish.

85% of the population is NOT Mexican.

From your own article: "According to the census report, 85 percent of Hall County's foreign-born residents are not citizens of the United States. Just how many of the 19,100 foreign-born residents are here legally is not known."

Hall County Population: 156,101 Link

That's about 19.6% Hispanic. Stop making sh!t up, Dave.

Hey, I lived there. There are now entire massive subdivisions of 100% Mexican Hispanics.

Go there and see for yourself.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: jumpr
I think this thread shows just how xenophobic some Americans are. What's wrong with learning another language - expanding your horizons, so to speak? If anything, it'll make you more worldly. No one expects you to learn another language, but it's definitely a more enjoyable life experience if you do.

Not necessarily. I've always been eager to learn new language(I have semi-decent German), and I want to learn Spanish and French as well. Hell, I wouldn't mind learning Arabic or Mandarin either. The issue is having "dual" public languages, even though we don't have an official language. It isn't like it was in the 1700, 1800, and 1900's when you had an influx of immigrants from many different places.

Currently, the US gets most of its immigrants from Spanish speaking countries. Many of the immigrants in prior centuries were eager to assimilate into our culture and "fit-in" and learn English. They thought it was prideful to be an American Citizen, learn the language, and be a part of our Democracy. There are a lot of Hispanics that are like this as well, but there are many more that refuse to assimilate and that refuse to even begin to learn English.

The biggest factor, however, is that a majority of Hispanic immigrants are here illegally. Many don't pay taxes because of this, yet they tie up State and Federal resources just like a citizen. There is a problem with that, and there is a problem with them not immigrating here legally. Look at all the former Eastern-Bloc immigrants that want to come here, and then do so legally. Heck, Skoorb and MrsSkoorb had to fight INS for a long time to get things straight about them immigrating here. They did it legally and it was a pain-in-the-ass therefore I think it sucks that someone can just sneak across the border, not pay taxes, and then use resources just like any other citizens.

Xenophobia only applies if I was against anything foreign in nature, and bigotry would only apply if I were partial to my own kind, and finally, racism would only apply if I were against Hispanics as a race. I want to see more Hispanics, Russians, Eastern Bloc, Asian, or whatever ethnicity immigrants. I want tons of immigrants, but I want them to follow the same process that has worked in this country for 300 years, especially with the problems of terrorists entering our borders now. I look on illegal immigration as a serious problem, because more often than not, an illegal citizen does not help the economy, but rather hurts it. It is rather unfair to allow illegals to abuse the system, while the same government is very strict with its legal immigrants.

 

[RabidMongoose]

We don't have to learn Spanish. Why do people say that? If some immigrants want to speak their native language and not learn English, then that's their own problem. I imagine that they will have more problems than the rest of us. It's not a big deal anyways. Their children will probably speak English, just like other children of immigrants.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Mo0o
I agree that we shouldn't be forced to learn Spanish as a second language , but it doesn't hurt to know it anyways. Having a little booklet at a Sonic isn't going to destroy our culture, but ill definitely protest if we ever tried to impliment spanish as requried curriculum in our schools.

" but ill definitely protest if we ever tried to impliment spanish as requried curriculum in our schools"

GANG VIOLENCE IN RURAL GEORGIA: A COMMUNITYS' FIGHT

Because 85% of the population is Mexican, they've been forced to teach classes only in Spanish.

85% of the population is NOT Mexican.

From your own article: "According to the census report, 85 percent of Hall County's foreign-born residents are not citizens of the United States. Just how many of the 19,100 foreign-born residents are here legally is not known."

Hall County Population: 156,101 Link

That's about 19.6% Hispanic. Stop making sh!t up, Dave.

Hey, I lived there. There are now entire massive subdivisions of 100% Mexican Hispanics.

Go there and see for yourself.

Yeah and you are the biggest fvcking liar on this forum. Census information doesn't lie. :roll:

 

[MrCodeDude]

It's because we don't have a national language. We should though, and it should be English.