glenn1
Lifer
- Sep 6, 2000
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Because the "healthcare" that Uncle Sam makes available to those getting subsidies will be of such poor quality (think public schools and "government cheese") that the small amount you pay will be worth it to keep the poor in their place. As Victor Hugo put it, they're taken care of a little worse than the dog, and a bit better than the cat. Plus it gives you license to hold onto money you would have given to charities or employing someone in a low-paying job, after all Uncle Sam is taking care of that for you now.
flavio
Diamond Member
- Oct 9, 1999
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You're making up shit. Satisfaction with Medicare and Medicaid is pretty high. Come up with some other fear mongering.
Hacp
Lifer
- Jun 8, 2005
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Satisfaction is high because the people who use it are getting a taxpayer Handout! You offer to take money from one person's pocket and put it in another's and the other person will be satisfied.
UberNeuman
Lifer
- Nov 4, 1999
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flavio
Diamond Member
- Oct 9, 1999
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You have some proof that's why their satisfied and that people don't pay for Medicare?
Inspector Jihad
Lifer
- Apr 17, 2005
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yes, but thats VOLUNTARILY unlike being taxed as we will now to pay for idiots who wont get a job and needs healthcare
I'm just waiting for all the Obama-ga-ga college students to realize their college tuitions are being increased because of Obama-care!
'cause when states are demanded to increase Medicaid, the funds have to be drawn from other places, and at least here in Illinois the state colleges have been hit hard. We could go in to how my state government greatly screwed over college bound students in other ways, but for now this will be sufficient.
But it all comes down to the simple truth - we can't have everything we want. We can't give to others everything we want. We can take from others everything we want.
And the damn liberals are running us on a suicide mission by telling us that "yes we can" do everything!
Go ask a college student if he feels he should pay more in tuition so that someone else can live off Medicaid.
'cause when states are demanded to increase Medicaid, the funds have to be drawn from other places, and at least here in Illinois the state colleges have been hit hard. We could go in to how my state government greatly screwed over college bound students in other ways, but for now this will be sufficient.
But it all comes down to the simple truth - we can't have everything we want. We can't give to others everything we want. We can take from others everything we want.
And the damn liberals are running us on a suicide mission by telling us that "yes we can" do everything!
Go ask a college student if he feels he should pay more in tuition so that someone else can live off Medicaid.
sandorski
No Lifer
- Oct 10, 1999
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By who? Oh yeah, by themselves
They wouldn't do that! They're Fair and Balanced!!!
Thump553
Lifer
- Jun 2, 2000
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Under the present system you are already paying for their health care-at a higher expense rate and for worse care. The uninsured get treatment at the hospital ER frequently for simple things that should be handled at far less cost in a regular doctor's office visit. Or their ER treatment is for something much more major and expensive that would have been prevented altogether with adequate preventive care.
And you ask how does poor old abused you currently pay for those inflated non-insured expenses? The hospitals can't and don't provide those uninsured services for free. The ones that don't get paid (almost certainly most) either become part of the hospital's operating costs and increase YOUR insurance rates, or are directly subsidized by the state or feds, thus increasing your taxes (albeit in a mostly hidden from common view way).
End result, right now everyone (insured or not) is paying too much for poorer treatment overall. Getting everyone into some kind of health insurance with deent preventative medicine will greater reduce the overall costs for all of us. End result under the reform you total medical cost (figured as your health insurance premiums plus the current hidden government subsidies to hospitals for the unpaid uninsureds) will go down.
The basic rationale of the health reform plan is having everyone in some sort of insurance plan will reduce both the overhead and overall health expenses, thus resulting in a net benefit to all of us.
It's too bad the GOP won't get off their self-righteous soap boxes stop the sloganeering and try to think things through rationally.
And you ask how does poor old abused you currently pay for those inflated non-insured expenses? The hospitals can't and don't provide those uninsured services for free. The ones that don't get paid (almost certainly most) either become part of the hospital's operating costs and increase YOUR insurance rates, or are directly subsidized by the state or feds, thus increasing your taxes (albeit in a mostly hidden from common view way).
End result, right now everyone (insured or not) is paying too much for poorer treatment overall. Getting everyone into some kind of health insurance with deent preventative medicine will greater reduce the overall costs for all of us. End result under the reform you total medical cost (figured as your health insurance premiums plus the current hidden government subsidies to hospitals for the unpaid uninsureds) will go down.
The basic rationale of the health reform plan is having everyone in some sort of insurance plan will reduce both the overhead and overall health expenses, thus resulting in a net benefit to all of us.
It's too bad the GOP won't get off their self-righteous soap boxes stop the sloganeering and try to think things through rationally.
nerp
Diamond Member
- Dec 31, 2005
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Hacp
Lifer
- Jun 8, 2005
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So the solution is to repeal those laws that force hospitals to treat patients that don't pay. Why write a complicated bill when you can solve the problem simply?
Inspector Jihad
Lifer
- Apr 17, 2005
- 13,465
- 3
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Hi, here's a tax added to a "risky" service. http://www.dispatch.com/live/conten...industry-feels-burned-by-tan-tax.html?sid=101
The 10% tanning tax. Don't be fooled by your blind ideology and devotion to bag of hot air, but the Liberals want to tax anything and everything so they can increase their grip on the American public. They want Americans to be beholden to the Federal Government and want ultimate control.
The thinking that health care is a universal right is BS. Everyone thinks something is a universal human right. Living your life without the oppression of a tyrannical overlord is about the only human right there should be. Freedom. If you want to be free you have to accept the risks of freedom. that means you might fail and you have to rely on yourself to recover. Not everyone else.
I reject socialism, which is what this healthcare bill is. I also do understand that we have socialist programs already in affect in the US and I don't like those either. Social Security, Medicaid, ect should be disbanded and done away with. Those that made their lives dependant on those programs SHOULD suffer from their poor decisions.
HumblePie
Lifer
- Oct 30, 2000
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Oh, so you are proposing that if someone needs medical attention, but can't afford it then they should just die?
Great! Next time I run you over with my car and almost kill you, but knock you senseless, I'll pull out the spare hobo clothes I keep in the trunk. Then I'll dress you up, rub some dirt on you, take a piss and shit on you, and drive away knowing I'll never be caught while you are left to die and rot by the roadside all because no one will think you have the money to pay for medical attention.
What a brilliant idea!
Hacp
Lifer
- Jun 8, 2005
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This happens every day in other countries. It is normal. Too many people let emotions get in the way of rational thought.
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