Why rural areas need the cities

[Moonbeam]

Comparison is the death of joy, so they would rather be surrounded by endless despair than have have successful educated people nearby.

Sounds like self hate to me.

 

[pcgeek11]

Then surely you can show what he got wrong.

let me guess though, it’s a secret.

There is so much data in those articles, and as I stated feel free to search for specific results for other states, and your entire rebuttal consists of your emotionally stunted right wing pea brain's ability to critically think and say it's just bias.

Thank you for proving my point how conservatives are mostly useless if we want to live in a society that analyzes the situation the ground, and adjusts and moves forward.

10 years ago I didn't feel this way about the rural areas. I was all about Obama giving everyone health insurance, everywhere. Helping farmers. Broadband to the sticks. Just like those damn socialist progressivs brought them things throughout our history like the rural electrification act. Tennessee valley authority. Infrastructure. Roads. Education. The USPS - we in the metro areas subsidize their postal service since we all pay the same thing, and their deliveries cost more. Everything.

It turns out the GQP base that lives out there? They are bad people. Ignorance is no excuse anymore. We all have access to the same information now. Their internet may not be fast, but they have it. The real info is there. But just like you, they dismiss it with four word sentences like a 4 year old covering their ears.

They are my enemy. It's not Putin or Bin Laden or ISIS that stands to destroy democracy and regress our society. It's the fucking GQP, and their base is out of the metro areas. Like that idiot from Oregon that thinks the city folks are the ones being subsidized by the taxes of the rednecks. So fuck these people.

Hes right though. I live in the countryside and I like it here but I'm under no illustrations that the nearest city isn't the economic engine of the area. It has a much higher population and number of businesses.
Sure all the agriculture is out here and we make great products but if you think of how much one farm drives the economy (farming does not make much money at all) and how much room that farm takes compared to pretty much any urban business and look how many small and medium businesses there are in a city!

I didn't claim he was right or wrong only he had excessive bias and hatred for people that do not live in cities.

Backwards, Hicks, Ignorance, Stupid, Dumbfuckery ...

This isn't the only thread this is obvious.

I do wonder who will farm animals and grow crops for these very important city dwellers.

 

[nickqt]

I didn't claim he was right or wrong only he had excessive bias and hatred for people that do not live in cities.

Backwards, Hicks, Ignorance, Stupid, Dumbfuckery ...

This isn't the only thread this is obvious.

I do wonder who will farm animals and grow crops for these very important city dwellers.

Machines and immigrant labor. That's "who" does the farming.

 

[pcgeek11]

Machines and immigrant labor. That's "who" does the farming.

Not all of it.

Around where I live there are plenty of Local Farmers that grow everything from Hogs to Peanuts and sell in Charleston and surrounding areas.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Machines and immigrant labor. That's "who" does the farming.

Chalk up yet another thing pcgeek doesn't know. And yup, I grew up in a farming community. Most of them were just living on the land while they leased it to other entities. Some still farmed but modern equipment makes it just some extra work a couple of times a year (and again, they hire others to do a large portion of it including riding around in a $300,000+ tractor paid for by the government). That's not to say that they aren't good people or work hard. But they've let their minds be poisoned by a deluge of right wing lies.

Aww, poor baby pcgeek must be sad that someone took his clownbaby pissdrinking crown. See, even he approves that he's being a piss drinking clownbaby.

 

[pcgeek11]

Chalk up yet another thing pcgeek doesn't know. And yup, I grew up in a farming community. Most of them were just living on the land while they leased it to other entities. Some still farmed but modern equipment makes it just some extra work a couple of times a year (and again, they hire others to do a large portion of it including riding around in a $300,000+ tractor paid for by the government). That's not to say that they aren't good people or work hard. But they've let their minds be poisoned by a deluge of right wing lies.

I grew up on a farm... I forgot more about farming than you ever thought you knew. LOL

 

[nickqt]

Not all of it.

Around where I live there are plenty of Local Farmers that grow everything from Hogs to Peanuts and sell in Charleston and surrounding areas.

Not all of it, but the reason someone who lives in a city can walk into a WalMart and buy 100 pounds of meat and fruits/vegetables is because of factory farming and immigrant labor.

Additionally, the small commercial farms that can make a profit actually do rely on urban areas for their livelihood, as there aren't enough people in their immediate vicinity to make their small commercial farm viable otherwise.

I think the point should be that urban areas need rural areas for food production, and rural areas need urban areas for almost everything else.

There's nothing inherently bad about either area, both have their problems, and both are mutually dependent on the other IF we want to maintain the current technological/food secure status that we currently have. If and when a breakdown in society occurs, the severing of ties between rural food producing areas and urban technological/job producing areas will be among the first things that really causes a downward spiral of collapse.

Chalk up yet another thing pcgeek doesn't know. And yup, I grew up in a farming community. Most of them were just living on the land while they leased it to other entities. Some still farmed but modern equipment makes it just some extra work a couple of times a year (and again, they hire others to do a large portion of it including riding around in a $300,000+ tractor paid for by the government). That's not to say that they aren't good people or work hard. But they've let their minds be poisoned by a deluge of right wing lies.

Rural areas are almost by definition small communities of like-minded people who have traditions that when encroached upon, fight it with fact or fiction, whichever helps retain their culture and tradition. Always has been.jpg

The really shitty thing is how the Modern US Conservative Movement has leveraged that inherent mindset, paired with the absurdly low number of Federal Legislature Seats and how Electoral College works, giving rural areas vastly higher proportions of representation in government to urban areas. That they're full-on fascist at this moment in history is what makes them as dangerous and deadly as they are. If there were around 1000 House of Representative Seats proportioned fairly, and 200 Senate Seats with 2 per state and the "new" 100 Senate Seats based on state proportion (an abolished Senate and 2000 House of Representatives would be better) and the Modern US Conservative Movement wouldn't be nearly as dangerous and deadly as it is.

It's also why I'm going to push back on liberals trying to argue for banning firearms and other fairytale scenarios that not only will never happen, but would be a liberal own-goal. As it should be clear at this point, the trajectory this country is on is pretty clear, and safely owning and operating a firearm isn't just a right, it's a responsibility.

 

[woolfe9998]

Not all of it, but the reason someone who lives in a city can walk into a WalMart and buy 100 pounds of meat and fruits/vegetables is because of factory farming and immigrant labor.

Additionally, the small commercial farms that can make a profit actually do rely on urban areas for their livelihood, as there aren't enough people in their immediate vicinity to make their small commercial farm viable otherwise.

I think the point should be that urban areas need rural areas for food production, and rural areas need urban areas for almost everything else.

We need to adopt vertical farming and bring the food production to the cities and/or the suburbs closest to said cities. Which will substantially reduce traffic and truck emissions.

Then the rural fascists can just go f**k themselves.

 

[nickqt]

We need to adopt vertical farming and bring the food production to the cities and/or the suburbs closest to said cities. Which will substantially reduce traffic and truck emissions.

Then the rural fascists can just go f**k themselves.

It's definitely a possibility. Of course, it sounds a whole lot like socialism/communism/critical race theory, so watch out where you discuss such heretical topics.

That said, someone give me a billion dollars and let me play around in Detroit the way other billionaires play around with rockets and hot wheels.

 

[pcgeek11]

Then the rural fascists can just go f**k themselves.

More excessive BIAS.

 

[woolfe9998]

It's definitely a possibility. Of course, it sounds a whole lot like socialism/communism/critical race theory, so watch out where you discuss such heretical topics.

That said, someone give me a billion dollars and let me play around in Detroit the way other billionaires play around with rockets and hot wheels.

It's more of a fantasy at this point, since we'll likely need fusion power to make vertical farms economically efficient before we can undertake widespread adoption. But I can dream.

 

[woolfe9998]

More excessive BIAS.

It isn't bias when an opinion is based on fact. You're just referring to opinions you disagree with as "bias." Apparently you don't have a clear idea of what the word means.

 

[Vic]

We need to adopt vertical farming and bring the food production to the cities and/or the suburbs closest to said cities. Which will substantially reduce traffic and truck emissions.

Then the rural fascists can just go f**k themselves.

Lol.. this reminds me of a time when I was watching this Curious George cartoon with my young daughter, and this one character says he can grow all the food he needs to supply his restaurant from his urban rooftop garden. I saw that, turned to my wife and said, if such a thing were possible it would completely up-end politics around the world!

Alas, such a thing is not possible.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Not all of it, but the reason someone who lives in a city can walk into a WalMart and buy 100 pounds of meat and fruits/vegetables is because of factory farming and immigrant labor.

Additionally, the small commercial farms that can make a profit actually do rely on urban areas for their livelihood, as there aren't enough people in their immediate vicinity to make their small commercial farm viable otherwise.

I think the point should be that urban areas need rural areas for food production, and rural areas need urban areas for almost everything else.

There's nothing inherently bad about either area, both have their problems, and both are mutually dependent on the other IF we want to maintain the current technological/food secure status that we currently have. If and when a breakdown in society occurs, the severing of ties between rural food producing areas and urban technological/job producing areas will be among the first things that really causes a downward spiral of collapse.


Rural areas are almost by definition small communities of like-minded people who have traditions that when encroached upon, fight it with fact or fiction, whichever helps retain their culture and tradition. Always has been.jpg

The really shitty thing is how the Modern US Conservative Movement has leveraged that inherent mindset, paired with the absurdly low number of Federal Legislature Seats and how Electoral College works, giving rural areas vastly higher proportions of representation in government to urban areas. That they're full-on fascist at this moment in history is what makes them as dangerous and deadly as they are. If there were around 1000 House of Representative Seats proportioned fairly, and 200 Senate Seats with 2 per state and the "new" 100 Senate Seats based on state proportion (an abolished Senate and 2000 House of Representatives would be better) and the Modern US Conservative Movement wouldn't be nearly as dangerous and deadly as it is.

It's also why I'm going to push back on liberals trying to argue for banning firearms and other fairytale scenarios that not only will never happen, but would be a liberal own-goal. As it should be clear at this point, the trajectory this country is on is pretty clear, and safely owning and operating a firearm isn't just a right, it's a responsibility.

Until factory farms become clean rooms in cities, and then urban areas will need rural areas for what? You grossly overestimate how much rural areas are actually farming or how much that food is actually being utilized properly by average Americans, and even more grossly overestimate who is doing the farming. There's a reason Bill Gates owns as much farmland as he does and its uh, not cause he's planning on farming it. Its likely to conserve it to prevent all the dumbass farming tycoons from farming it to dust bowl levels to eke out a bit of extra money.

You just described society, you don't even need to break it down to rural. Its interesting that you did though. Its almost like you view them the same as everyone else despite you acting like you're transcending it.

You act like that's a new thing. We've been down this road multiple times before, just in America's history. I wish they actually taught people history because goddamn apparently no one knows it for shit.

Push back all you want, but recognize that you're the one proclaiming your little surrogate penis is gonna solve anything especially when for every one that people like you buy there's gun nuts buying 10 or 20 of them (and they already have 100) funneling them into the hands of the people you think your gun is gonna save you from. It won't and you'll just be left goat fucked like all the others that did. It is amusing that you see things in that way though. Gun ownership is the own goal, as you're far more likely to harm yourself or your loved ones than you are to use it for the thing you declare is your responsibility. Fact is, if you really think that then its too late for your gun to do you any good on remedying that and the only way you're saving your family with it is to put a bullet in each of their heads before this country eats itself (which I'm legit concerned is a real possibility of something you'll do since that type of mentality is quite common among guys killing their families before themselves). Talk about fairytales, you should spend less time watching this fucked up modern power fantasy shit where guns are the saviors in the post apocalypse.

 

[nickqt]

Until factory farms become clean rooms in cities, and then urban areas will need rural areas for what? You grossly overestimate how much rural areas are actually farming or how much that food is actually being utilized properly by average Americans, and even more grossly overestimate who is doing the farming. There's a reason Bill Gates owns as much farmland as he does and its uh, not cause he's planning on farming it. Its likely to conserve it to prevent all the dumbass farming tycoons from farming it to dust bowl levels to eke out a bit of extra money.

You just described society, you don't even need to break it down to rural. Its interesting that you did though. Its almost like you view them the same as everyone else despite you acting like you're transcending it.

You act like that's a new thing. We've been down this road multiple times before, just in America's history. I wish they actually taught people history because goddamn apparently no one knows it for shit.

Push back all you want, but recognize that you're the one proclaiming your little surrogate penis is gonna solve anything especially when for every one that people like you buy there's gun nuts buying 10 or 20 of them (and they already have 100) funneling them into the hands of the people you think your gun is gonna save you from. It won't and you'll just be left goat fucked like all the others that did. It is amusing that you see things in that way though. Gun ownership is the own goal, as you're far more likely to harm yourself or your loved ones than you are to use it for the thing you declare is your responsibility. Fact is, if you really think that then its too late for your gun to do you any good on remedying that and the only way you're saving your family with it is to put a bullet in each of their heads before this country eats itself (which I'm legit concerned is a real possibility of something you'll do since that type of mentality is quite common among guys killing their families before themselves). Talk about fairytales, you should spend less time watching this fucked up modern power fantasy shit where guns are the saviors in the post apocalypse.

You're a fucking douchebag.

 

[MrSquished]

I think the point should be that urban areas need rural areas for food production, and rural areas need urban areas for almost everything else.

There's nothing inherently bad about either area, both have their problems, and both are mutually dependent on the other IF we want to maintain the current technological/food secure status that we currently have. If and when a breakdown in society occurs, the severing of ties between rural food producing areas and urban technological/job producing areas will be among the first things that really causes a downward spiral of collapse.

Agreed. The issue is the rural areas rail against any program to help society as a whole, and against any type of wealth redistribution, but clearly are the beneficiaries of wealth redistribution from urban areas to their areas. It's about time they become aware of this.

Let's end this practice. The rural areas should get not a penny more per capita as they put in, the urban areas can keep their money, and we can go on our merry ways.

 

[Jhhnn]

Armed militance is a problem, not a solution. It's a stupid way for Americans to deal with each other. Putin loves it, and he loves the NRA, too.

I figure we all need each other, one way or another, and should avoid sharp judgements. I think we all need to understand that the malaise in Baltimore has the same source as the malaise in rural/ small town America. We let the investor class take a bigger & bigger piece of the pie of technological progress, didn't set aside enough of it for working people to truly thrive. I mean, that would require socialism, and socialism is bad, right? Computerized. Automated. Outsourced. Bought out by private equity. Consolidated. Spun off. Relocated. Streamlined. Containerized. Roboticized. It's the same everywhere, & Ag industries are as just as advanced & ruthless as they come. The Job Creators giveth, and the Job Creators taketh away. And it will all trickle down, of course. It''s what we're experiencing today.

Conservatives don't like it any better than Libs but they have too many Libertopian notions to provide or even accept constructive alternatives.

 

[nickqt]

Agreed. The issue is the rural areas rail against any program to help society as a whole, and against any type of wealth redistribution, but clearly are the beneficiaries of wealth redistribution from urban areas to their areas. It's about time they become aware of this.

Let's end this practice. The rural areas should get not a penny more per capita as they put in, the urban areas can keep their money, and we can go on our merry ways.

Definitely, agreed.

The biggest problem is that rural areas get much more representation than urban areas. The artificial limit of the House of Reps to 435 and the Senate to 100 is a driver of this. While I'd just assume abolish the Senate and EC and have 2000 House of Representatives distributed fairly, proportional to population, just increasing the House to 1000 even remotely fairly, increasing the Senate to 200 and making the extra 100 seats proportional to the population, and recalculating the EC based on that would just about do it. Rural areas would retain proportional control of the government based on population, instead of the arbitrary way Reps and Senators are apportioned now related to population.

More representation, not less, would be better. It's on a sliding scale. Clearly we don't want 1 Representative for the entire country, and I'm not arguing like 20,000 House of Reps or anything. But this is a country of 330,000,000. Limiting the representatives inherently skews the shit out of how the government acts and provides services for the population. Fixing that would decrease the power of the fascist US Conservative Movement without "punishing" rural areas.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

OP: All those DAMN darkies in rural towns are nothing but takers!

 

[fskimospy]

I didn't claim he was right or wrong only he had excessive bias and hatred for people that do not live in cities.

Backwards, Hicks, Ignorance, Stupid, Dumbfuckery ...

This isn't the only thread this is obvious.

I do wonder who will farm animals and grow crops for these very important city dwellers.

For his bias to be relevant it must mean he got something wrong. What was it, or is it a secret?

 

[MrSquished]

OP: All those DAMN darkies in rural towns are nothing but takers!

They don't vote ignorantly like the redneck self sufficient racists do. Your brothers in arms

 

[Vic]

I didn't claim he was right or wrong only he had excessive bias and hatred for people that do not live in cities.

Backwards, Hicks, Ignorance, Stupid, Dumbfuckery ...

This isn't the only thread this is obvious.

I do wonder who will farm animals and grow crops for these very important city dwellers.

So outraged... and yet in rural land, all the top news is 24/7 about how Portland is burning, the latest murders in Chicago, liberal elites and welfare queens, and the need for "law and order" in the "immoral and decadent" cities who, it is repeatedly said, don't how to govern themselves, and shouldn't be allowed to.
And all of that, literally Fox news every night in a nutshell, is exactly what you're so outraged about here, turned the other way around.
Sucks, doesn't it?

 

[Muse]

Your Bias is amazing.

Your stupidity is about as thick as molasses in January.

 

[Muse]

Sounds like self hate to me.

Seems like most everything sounds like self hate to you. You must live in a house of mirrors.

 

[pcgeek11]

For his bias to be relevant it must mean he got something wrong. What was it, or is it a secret?

I see you have problems with comprehension.