Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Yes but he does write better in English than most of us would in Ukranian!Originally posted by: Forsythe
I'm afraid to say that this is a fairly hard post to read. But i didn't really try that hard
Besides, being in this forum actively is sure to improve your english.
What you're seeing is the democratic process taking place in real time. There has never been absolute agreement among all the citizens as to how the U.S. should be run. Hence we have a messy, conflicting situation at times.
Edit: Took the rebuke of Forsythe out since I was late to the party.
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If they didn't spend so much time and mental effort hating each other, they might find solutions to problems.
However, good solutions likely involve getting them out of power, so the ones in office hate that idea.
Then, the MSM is sensationalist, and blows everything that's minor out of proportion, while not saying much about things they should really be reporting (it's probably easier and cheaper). So much of it is nothing more than posturing.
We need some good introspection on all sides, individually and on a mass scale. We need some officials who would actually try to act as care-takers--people who actually make decisions that are good for their people, more than just their re-election. While I wholly disagree with his politics (especially as far as church/state goes), our former gov Zell Miller would be a good example of this kind of politician.
Sometimes, I wonder how threads like this to not ignite.
However, good solutions likely involve getting them out of power, so the ones in office hate that idea.
Then, the MSM is sensationalist, and blows everything that's minor out of proportion, while not saying much about things they should really be reporting (it's probably easier and cheaper). So much of it is nothing more than posturing.
I was going to try to elaborate on how I see the way the current taxing and spending is going, but I think WhipperSnapper summed it up quite nicely.
We need some good introspection on all sides, individually and on a mass scale. We need some officials who would actually try to act as care-takers--people who actually make decisions that are good for their people, more than just their re-election. While I wholly disagree with his politics (especially as far as church/state goes), our former gov Zell Miller would be a good example of this kind of politician.
Sometimes, I wonder how threads like this to not ignite.
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: VladSlayer
Yes, sorry, I make the edit late, mean, "Why NOT ALL American want NO debt? Why (they want) less taxation assesment? (which makes the more debt?)Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Who likes owing money?? Who likes paying taxes?? Nobody, but we all like spending money though don't we.
Some Americans say, oh, debt ok, or debt not make important, yes? Some think not bad, right? But here, we have BAD debt, and everyone agree, debt VERY bad for economy (of course, Americans make HUGE economy, so they know). I just curious, if ok, or no?
See, the real deal is that both parties spend like fools. The argument is about what the money is spent on. Democrats want it spent on social programs and Republicans want it spent on strength. Whe Democrats who want it spent on society, need more, they just take it through taxes and give a little less back. They call that balanceing the budget. Republicans spend it on military and science. They are pretty disgusted with our very capitalistic juices being taxed away, so they lower taxes to increase commerce and figure the payoff is that there are more jobs and less need for social programs. Couple that with the fact that liberals seem to have no concept of economics and you get a lot of confusion on that side.
Your wrong as usual. Your fearless leader's approval rating is about to drop off the chart, yet you still get on your soap box and start preaching like the bleeding heart liberal that you mock.
Bleeding heart liberal? You on drugs? Basic econ text. Buy one and read at least the first chapter.
I like the social help for the people, but I like the science too - America top there, yes!? Good to help the people too I think. too much taxes bad I agree (like Deudalus say), but must be enough to pay for what state spend, yes? Ok.
Thanks, ok!
Having a good wife and rich cabbage soup, seek not other things.
Vladimir
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If our tech and science programs are so good, why do we have to hitch hike to the space station on the Russian Volga? No, sorry to say that we let our space program lag in favor of social spending. Gave them welfare, not engineering jobs!
My housekeeper in Kiev was known to make the best borsch in all of the former Soviet Republic.
As I remember, Ukraine approved a flat tax in 2003. Is that correct?
Much like the private citizen, the government borrows, pays back with interest, and uses the money to do things. The gains are at least twofold: Wages get paid and interest gains are produced as well.
Issues are often problems. The economic engine is not truly efficient and social programs pay back the least into the system through taxes. The money circulates best when used in commerce. Social does pay back into it, but a lot in the US is siphoned off in the direction of Columbia and Bolivia, and that commerce is not taxed. That makes it a loss and takes it out of circulation. The machine then slows and could stop.
Originally posted by: VladSlayer
I like it. See, politicians (all sides) are the same in this regard. Well, that is my low opinion of them anyway. Not all are really bad.
hehe. It is said that men want young beautiful women and women want older powerful and rich men. The AT friends could meet at the Super Dome.... but then they might have to repair it all over again!
My most liberal friend writes books. His books are geared toward the destruction of all humans in order to save the plants and animals. He believes that humans should commit suicide in order to save them. When I've had enough I simply tell him to set an example. We change subjects and laughing the next minute.
I like it, thanks.
BTW, during my life I have met two Russian immigrants. One got their US citizenship during the time I knew them. They and their Father loved America. Her Father was not allowed to leave Russia and because of the political pull he had he was able to get her out of the country.
The other hated America and considered us all capitalistic pigs. We also had many discussions. One of his biggest complaints was having to find a place to live. It took him a full day to find an apartment and move into it. In Russia he applied for a bigger apartment when his wife was pregnant and they moved into a two room apartment many years later. But, he didn't have to find it since the Government provided it.
Having known people from all over the world when I was in high school and college I have learned a lot about other countries as seen through their eyes. It was amazing to know my two Russian friends and how different their attitudes were to their country. The woman was young and the man older. That may have had something to do with it.
You got it. Unfortunately some people watch and read the same news as their friends. After talking with their friends they become convinced that what the media says is true.
Here is a good one, although off the subject it does show how people think.
A poll was conducted about the educational system in the United States.
The majority thought it was in bad shape.
The majority also thought their schools were good.
In other words, they heard so much about how bad it was they assumed it was true but having not seen it in their schools they assumed the negative reports were wrong.
We do the same in politics.
This is the primary reason I don't watch CNN or read the NYT or any of their clones. It is also the reason I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh or read News Max.
Unions were very necessary in the past. I suspect the Unions in the Ukraine are much like those in America. More interested in power and money then helping their members.
They may get them a raise but the time they are forced to strike means that it takes years to recoup the loss. I have seen cases (haven't paid attention lately) where union members were paid less than non-union members once the dues were deducted.
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