why Rupublicans or Democats hate each other, or no?

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: VladSlayer

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Americans want best for America
Debt bad for America, yes?
Why ALL American want NO debt? Why less taxation assesment?

Who likes owing money?? Who likes paying taxes?? Nobody, but we all like spending money though don't we.

Yes, sorry, I make the edit late, mean, "Why NOT ALL American want NO debt? Why (they want) less taxation assesment? (which makes the more debt?)
Some Americans say, oh, debt ok, or debt not make important, yes? Some think not bad, right? But here, we have BAD debt, and everyone agree, debt VERY bad for economy (of course, Americans make HUGE economy, so they know). I just curious, if ok, or no?

See, the real deal is that both parties spend like fools. The argument is about what the money is spent on. Democrats want it spent on social programs and Republicans want it spent on strength. Whe Democrats who want it spent on society, need more, they just take it through taxes and give a little less back. They call that balanceing the budget. Republicans spend it on military and science. They are pretty disgusted with our very capitalistic juices being taxed away, so they lower taxes to increase commerce and figure the payoff is that there are more jobs and less need for social programs. Couple that with the fact that liberals seem to have no concept of economics and you get a lot of confusion on that side.

Your wrong as usual. Your fearless leader's approval rating is about to drop off the chart, yet you still get on your soap box and start preaching like the bleeding heart liberal that you mock.

 

[VladSlayer]

See, the real deal is that both parties spend like fools. The argument is about what the money is spent on. Democrats want it spent on social programs and Republicans want it spent on strength. Whe Democrats who want it spent on society, need more, they just take it through taxes and give a little less back. They call that balanceing the budget. Republicans spend it on military and science. They are pretty disgusted with our very capitalistic juices being taxed away, so they lower taxes to increase commerce and figure the payoff is that there are more jobs and less need for social programs. Couple that with the fact that liberals seem to have no concept of economics and you get a lot of confusion on that side. The fact is that economics is such a huge field that no one knows it very well at all. Both perspectives are probably equally correct, just time will have to pass before we know for sure. The variables change daily. Economics of the 1800's don't work today and todays economics won't work in 3010.[/quote]
I like the social help for the people, but I like the science too - America top there, yes!? Good to help the people too I think. too much taxes bad I agree (like Deudalus say), but must be enough to pay for what state spend, yes? Ok.

Thanks, ok!

Having a good wife and rich cabbage soup, seek not other things.

Vladimir

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: VladSlayer

Originally posted by: Condor
I didn't until I walked the streets of Kiev and realized just how Ukrainian most Americans look.

Ho! Except for the cow woman! We have some good woman, but all go to Paris, or the New York model business. Or they marry the fat old rich man. But for me, there is only the cows! I do have fantasy about the Prime Minister, Yulia Tymoshenko (actually she fired thursday, but you understand, yes?).

This is good looking Ukraine woman! I know, that I would have date with she if it ever asked me (but certainly, I - only the timeworker in the small newspaper, it impossible to go with the power olden sexual women, yes). I would like to tell sometime very much my imagination with the Prime minister and sectretary, Natascha (I do not know the name of secretary, I only have made, it up to does my imagination of more real). In imagination of imagination I am a real journalist (not just labor worker at newspaper), which goes to take interview from the Prime minister, and to me speaks sectretary to wait. It late in the afternoon. When Yulia leaves, she speaks secretary, please no more purposes today, I would like to speak with a Vladimir private.

Natascha speaks, Yulia, you are very intense, you would like me to wipe shoulders for you while you speak interview? Yulia speaks, yes that very good idea. As I start to ask Yulias questions of the formal education, in Soviet times, and about entry in politics, then Natascha ??????????? shoulders, and Yulia become very softened. As Natascha begins ????????????? front (there is tightness in a breast), I hear, that small whipsers of pleasure, silent as the mouse would make. She does not want that I know, that she is wakened, but I can see awakening through Yulia's blouse! Wow!

Well, you understand, that I feel awakening also, and a fast impulse beside! What calls to ask in question? The disorder! I am upset and should make a pause of interview? Natascha speak, Vladimir, you would like, that I have wiped shoulders also? Breath is difficult that what? Wow!!!!!!!!!!

I regret, very mad work, well will proceed later? It is a pity, it is good? Then on Friday in the afternoon Yulia, she declared herself the candidate of opposition to the president, Victor Yushchenko, and now things are really mad.

We have been borrowed all ?????? with changing news, you understand?

I come back soon friends to P&N.

Good relations to all.

Vladimir

If American GI's had realized the beauty of Ukrainian and Russian women in general, we would have probably invaded years ago! Everyday in Kiev was like Rodeo Drive! The only Ukrainian woman my wife would let me keep was Ms. Kitty, our Ukrainian cat. Like many, she is rapidly approaching bebushka weight. The women in Ukraine were mostly like those in a Bond movie and who knew that was true?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Yes, sorry, I make the edit late, mean, "Why NOT ALL American want NO debt? Why (they want) less taxation assesment? (which makes the more debt?)

The less money you take from people via taxes the more money people have.

The more money people have the more money people spend.

LOL, then just quit overspending. See how simple it really is.

The goverment has to live within it's means or raise taxes if it spends more then it earns. There is no free ride.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: VladSlayer

I like the social help for the people, but I like the science too - America top there, yes!? Good to help the people too I think. too much taxes bad I agree (like Deudalus say), but must be enough to pay for what state spend, yes? Ok.

Thanks, ok!

Having a good wife and rich cabbage soup, seek not other things.

Vladimir

Your a smart man Vlad. We have a large segment of our society who have had it so good for so long that they don't appreciate it anymore.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Yes, sorry, I make the edit late, mean, "Why NOT ALL American want NO debt? Why (they want) less taxation assesment? (which makes the more debt?)

The less money you take from people via taxes the more money people have.

The more money people have the more money people spend.

LOL, then just quit overspending. See how simple it really is.

The goverment has to live within it's means or raise taxes if it spends more then it earns. There is no free ride.

This where liberals expose their lack of economic understanding. There is no such thing as overspending. Economics is circular and what goes around, comes around. It works like a huge servo loop. So if you horde currency, gold, stocks, etc., all you do is take the commocity out of circulation and that portion of the economy gets distorted and eventually dies.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Yes, sorry, I make the edit late, mean, "Why NOT ALL American want NO debt? Why (they want) less taxation assesment? (which makes the more debt?)

The less money you take from people via taxes the more money people have.

The more money people have the more money people spend.

LOL, then just quit overspending. See how simple it really is.

The goverment has to live within it's means or raise taxes if it spends more then it earns. There is no free ride.

This where liberals expose their lack of economic understanding. There is no such thing as overspending. Economics is circular and what goes around, comes around. It works like a huge servo loop. So if you horde currency, gold, stocks, etc., all you do is take the commocity out of circulation and that portion of the economy gets distorted and eventually dies.

So when the goverment spends money it doesn't have then that is good? LMAO, right. That is just inflationary. When inflation gets out of control, somebody is going to be left holding the bag. I've seen it happen to people. Their defense was that they only spent the going rate when they bought it. They neglect to mention that they were willing to spend more then anyone else was.

 

[VladSlayer]

Originally posted by: Condor
There is no such thing as overspending. Economics is circular and what goes around, comes around.

If true, this is BIG important concept, I think. But why not justly fix ALL problem with spending, ok? I mean, I think it seems it can't be the real true fact, or government can just fix the social problem with spend and make subsidy to farm, and make war and make more pay to soldier, and make all people happy with job. If all comes around through economic movements, then money come back to government in taxes. But then how deficit? People, newspaper, talk, debt, deficit, debt, deficit, but why if all much spending ok?

Vladimir

 

[Deudalus]

Originally posted by: VladSlayer

Originally posted by: Condor
There is no such thing as overspending. Economics is circular and what goes around, comes around.

If true, this is BIG important concept, I think. But why not justly fix ALL problem with spending, ok? I mean, I think it seems it can't be the real true fact, or government can just fix the social problem with spend and make subsidy to farm, and make war and make more pay to soldier, and make all people happy with job. If all comes around through economic movements, then money come back to government in taxes. But then how deficit? People, newspaper, talk, debt, deficit, debt, deficit, but why if all much spending ok?

Vladimir

They somewhat have a point about all the talk of the debt and deficit.

But what you have to understand is the media in this country acts like a tabloid. They make money by telling us that the sky is falling.

The media would have us believe that our world is coming to an end on a daily basis be it from the environment, debt, deficits, and so many other things.

 

[TravisT]

Some people here can't figure out whats right and wrong for themselves. They have to have Bush, Cheney, Kerry, Edwards, among others make up their decisions for them.

The Democrats would argue with Bush over what color the sky is. The same goes in return from some of the right-wingers here.

 

[ExpertNovice]

Welcome Vlad!

You have not really come to a good place to learn how people cooperate in America! As with any country people have different opinions and some feel more strongly about certain isues than other issues. Consider your country getting a room filled with people where half of them absolutely want the Soviet Union to be control and half absolutely want to be free of Soviet control.

You might not get a good impression of how people in the Ukraine treat each other.

Another point I would like to make. When you read your newspapers do they always relate the story accurately and fairly?

What about your Government officials. Do they always tell you the complete truth?

Well, it is no different in America or anywhere else in the world. Besides, what our respective governments do or say, whether for posturing or not, and what our newspapers report do not always reflect what we want.

The larger the government the harder it is for the people to control. This is why most conservatives in America want a smaller government.

Democrats - real Americans, or - are traitors,

Democrats are real Americans just like Republicans are. Republicans tend to prefer a rule by the people, limited government, and a society where we legally compete in business. Democrats tend to prefer rule by the Government as do the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, and others. The reason some call specific Democrats traitors is that they support the enemies (currently Iraq) more than they support the United States in a public fashion. However, as with all people, what they say they want and what is really wanted are frequently completely different.

An example is Hollywood where they talk about the rights of anmials but wear fur and leather, pollution and waste but they drive around in large and heavy cars, and equal pay for everyone but they don't ensure that the stage hands get paid as much as they do.

So, usually when someone says that someone else is a traitor, it is just rhetoric and posturing.

Republicans hate cheerful people (I do not understand it, it reflects me, but it is good to anothers, well?), or want to kill all nice rare animals

Extremist groups such as PETA (Ethical Treatment of Animals) do say that that Republicans want to kill all animals... More rhetoric to get unthinking people to follow them and give them money. Funny thing is, it has been shown multiple times that PETA would go to places that had animals to be adapted, PETA around the country (not all offices) would get those animals, then kill them. Again, what such groups say they want and what they really want are often very different.

As for Republicans hating cheerful people, why would Republicans hate Republicans? Sure, Republicans tend to be more logical and less emotional thus tend not to act silly. However, I have never even heard this one before!

or to want to send all foreigners away now,

Sometimes what Republicans say is "love it or leave it." This is taken by extremists to mean you must love America as it is or leave it. It really means support your country and work to improve it but if you like a country that has a completely different style of government (Communist instead of a Democratic Republic) then don't try to subvert America simply move to the country that supports your idea of Utopia. Cuba, North Korea, China, etc.

or make the borrowing bigger for war

This one is funny as it is taken out of context.
Sources
Specifically

Defense Budget
1993 298 billion dollars (Clinton's first budget)
2001 305 billion dollars (Clinton's last budget)
2005 466 billion dollars (Bush's current budget which is high because of 9-11)
2009 488 billion dollars (Bush's last budget estimate)

total non-defense
1993 1,118 billion dollars (Clinton's first budget)
2001 1,558 billion dollars (Clinton's budget)
2005 2,014 billion dollars (Bush's current budget)
2009 2,395 billion dollars (what happens when a fiscal liberal allows democrats to write the budget)


welfare, education, etc. (Paid directly to individuals)
1993 730 billion dollars (Clinton's first budget)
2001 1,128 billion dollars (Clinton's budget)
2005 1,487 billion dollars (Bush's current budget)
2009 1,869 billion dollars (notice the increase from 2001 is greater than the defense total)

other non-defense
1993 333 billion dollars (Clinton's first budget)
2001 430 billion dollars (Clinton's budget)
2005 526 billion dollars (Bush's current budget)
2009 526 billion dollars (notice the increase from 2001 is greater than the defense total)

As you can see even our increases in welfare, education, and other non-defense spending is greater than the total defense budget. So yes, it increased, but we spend more on helping people than defending people.

They also struggle about "the abortion"

Most everyone believes that abortion is necessary. Democrats tend to believe in abortion for convenience. By that I mean if someone got pregnate because they wanted to then realized that they wouldn't fit in their favorite dress at an upcoming party, get an abortion. Republicans believe that your choice was made before the child was conceived. One of our Senators has suggested that abortion be allowed up to the time the mother and baby leave the hospital.

So, the struggle is over how convenient. The hypocracy here is extreme. We are told that the parents should be responsible for the actions of their children but if the child is caught doing something wrong (arrested, pregnancy, etc.) the parents may not be told.

they also say the Republicans love the wartime).

I really like this one. Nearly every war that the United States has been in has been entered into by a Democrat. Including Viet Nam. You have probably heard Nixon associated with Viet Nam and it is even called the war of Nixon and Republicans. The facts are that a Democrat (John F. Kennedy) entered the war, another Democrat (Lyndon Baines Johnson) escalated the war twice, and a Republican (Richard Millhouse Nixon) pulled us out of the war.

President Clinton deployed the troops more than any other President and more than Ronald Regan and both Bush's combined. President Clinton rarely bothered with anycoaliton and often went in and opposed the U.N.

So, when you hear that Republicans are war mongers and Democrats are for peace, that is pure propaganda.

But always, BIG hate, I think? Do I sense this correctly?

Yes, you sense exactly what the very liberal media in the United States (New York Times, CNN, etc.) want you to think. However, it is untrue.

Take care. Come to America and visit. Meet the people, conservatives and liberals. You will find that most everyone is friendly and helpful and definitely not what you think you know about us!

Originally posted by: VladSlayer
Greetings,

It - my first communication(connection) here (in the POLITICS AND NEWS), and I find these subjects very interesting. The disorder (confusion) which I feel, will be, why - there so a lot of hatred? In my country there is a lot of hatred in a policy(politics), but we have many bad people here, the big corruption, and the old problems which are coming back by times of Soviet Union.

I see many comments which suggest, that many do not think, that Democrats - real Americans, or - are traitors, or are afraid of the terrorist and want to surrender. Then there are many who speak it, Republicans hate cheerful people (I do not understand it, it reflects me, but it is good to anothers, well?), or want to kill all nice rare animals (nature), or to want to send all foreigners away now, or make the borrowing bigger for war (they also say the Republicans love the wartime). They also struggle about "the abortion", and a role the USA in a global policy(politics). But always, BIG hate, I think? Do I sense this correctly?

But a strange thing, that ALL, apparently, think ANOTHER - not the "REAL" AMERICAN. I explain my item? I confused, to be convinced. In Ukraine, even the bad spoiled (corrupt) person (man) of Ukraine - from Ukraine. It from the American immigrant - past?

I thank all for consideration of these questions. I only try difficultly to study. Please I regret about poor English language. I try difficultly, well?

Due to many friends, who explain (from "Private Message") terms, examples: "Dims" or "Halliburton" or "Bushies" or "New York Slimes" - I work for Ukraine newspaper - so amusing to me (but I do not do not) takes the sides, well?) - though I sometimes think that Bush not so good speaker. It is ok to tell?

Thanks for friends! Greetings!

Vladimir

 

[ExpertNovice]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Yes, sorry, I make the edit late, mean, "Why NOT ALL American want NO debt? Why (they want) less taxation assesment? (which makes the more debt?)

The less money you take from people via taxes the more money people have.

The more money people have the more money people spend.

If you send the government a check they make money. If you spend money at a store the government also makes money.

People with common sense realize that spending money at a store, to buy a product, to drive the economy, which leads to more jobs, and those people filling those new jobs spending their new found money, which all indirectly goes to the government; is much better for our economy than simply sending the government your money and hoping they do the right thing with it.

Good luck with this one. Some seem to think that if your store is not making enough money just double the price of everything then you will have more money.

They forget that with increased taxes people like Theresa Hienz, and many others, just take the work out of the country or cut back on the numbers of employees they have.

 

[43st]

The current trend in American politics started around 1995. It's basically the politics of hatred. It's not about what your party stands for; it's about how much you hate the other guy. It doesn't solve the problems government is facing but it really boosts media ratings and makes for good theater.

 

[ExpertNovice]

Originally posted by: VladSlayer

Originally posted by: Condor
There is no such thing as overspending. Economics is circular and what goes around, comes around.

If true, this is BIG important concept, I think. But why not justly fix ALL problem with spending, ok? I mean, I think it seems it can't be the real true fact, or government can just fix the social problem with spend and make subsidy to farm, and make war and make more pay to soldier, and make all people happy with job. If all comes around through economic movements, then money come back to government in taxes. But then how deficit? People, newspaper, talk, debt, deficit, debt, deficit, but why if all much spending ok?

Vladimir

Spending money doesn't fix things and it costs more to even try.

In America about 25% of the the money taken from the people finally reaches the intended recipient. That is 75% waste.

Of course, many believe (President Clinton stated this often) that the people can't be trusted with the money and that the Government knows how to spend it better than the people. I suggest that there is a different between spending money wisely and spending it quickly.

You have heard complaints about the Bush Budget. Just remember that except for defense the Democrats wrote the biggest budget increases. Education and welfare. Worse, look at what was said.
1. They complained about the budget increase.
2. They complained that the increase was not big enough.

I suggest someone is confused.

If all comes around through economic movements, then money come back to government in taxes.

This is what President Clinton always said. The Government is the source of all wealth. That is a lie. The people are the source of all wealth. The Government takes from the people and gives some of it back. The rest is wasted and much of it goes to their friends and themselves. This is true with both parties. It is why conservatives want a smaller government.

 

[ExpertNovice]

Originally posted by: Thera
The current trend in American politics started around 1995. It's basically the politics of hatred. It's not about what your party stands for; it's about how much you hate the other guy. It doesn't solve the problems government is facing but it really boosts media ratings and makes for good theater.

As I have repeatedly stated, that is what of the mainstream media and eiltes, on both sides, want you to believe.

Divide and conqur.

However, espousing hatred works well with the emotional and those who like violence.

 

[VladSlayer]

Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Welcome Vlad!

Thanks!!!

Another point I would like to make. When you read your newspapers do they always relate the story accurately and fairly?

Ho! Good funny!

What about your Government officials. Do they always tell you the complete truth?

Ho! Real good funny!!! The Ukraine politician kick with hind feet while licking with tongue.

Take care. Come to America and visit. Meet the people, conservatives and liberals. You will find that most everyone is friendly and helpful and definitely not what you think you know about us!

Yes, I want this - they say your woman very beautiful, and most the good Ukrainian woman in EU or American now, so I only have the cow (I not rich, see? If you not rich, or American, the non-cow Ukraine woman not want you. I come visit all the AT friends some day, go to Democratic convention and Republican convention in 2008, ok? Fun! Wow, how would that be?!

Thanks to all who help make the explanations - good informations!! Ok, thanks!

Russian Proverb: Fear the goat from the front, the horse from the rear, and man from all sides.

Your permanent friend from the Kiev:

Vladimir

 

[WhipperSnapper]

<Responding to initial post.>

Some of the Republicans are hard-core Christians who feel the Democrats' social policies undercut their religious morality. Many of the Democrats are secular (though often Christians) and feel the Republicans are trying to impose religious dictatorship.

Most of the Republicans feel that the Democrats are thieving socialists who want to steal hard-earned wealth from the middle class and give it to the self-destructive poor. Many of the Democrats feel that the Republicans want to impose economic policies that will destroy ladders of upward mobility for the poor and lower middle class and that will redistribute wealth from the middle class to the rich. (Many of the Democrats are also socialists in principal.)

That's basically it. Sometimes you can witness all sorts of weird political perversions--like lower class people who support the Republicans almost dogmatically because they are heavy-duty Christians even though the Republicans are gleefully allowing their jobs to be shipped out to China. You can also find atheists who are heavy-duty pro-capitalists yet who suppor the Democrats because they fear religious dictatorship from the Republicans.

Neither party wants to make difficult political and economic decisions nor face up to the nation's real economic and social problems. The result is gridlock and economic decay.

 

[Deudalus]

Originally posted by: ExpertNovice

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Yes, sorry, I make the edit late, mean, "Why NOT ALL American want NO debt? Why (they want) less taxation assesment? (which makes the more debt?)

The less money you take from people via taxes the more money people have.

The more money people have the more money people spend.

If you send the government a check they make money. If you spend money at a store the government also makes money.

People with common sense realize that spending money at a store, to buy a product, to drive the economy, which leads to more jobs, and those people filling those new jobs spending their new found money, which all indirectly goes to the government; is much better for our economy than simply sending the government your money and hoping they do the right thing with it.

Good luck with this one. Some seem to think that if your store is not making enough money just double the price of everything then you will have more money.

They forget that with increased taxes people like Theresa Hienz, and many others, just take the work out of the country or cut back on the numbers of employees they have.

This is exactly true which is why I say that unions, higher corporate taxes, and higher taxes on the rich in general doesn't help the poor.

When the rich stop getting richer the poor stop eating. This is very sad and unfair, but it has never been more true.

Many people, especially socialist leaning liberals, rant and rave about how the gap between the rich and poor is ever widening which it is.

But the poor live better than ever in America today because the rich are getting richer and are creating more and more jobs.

Some people's agenda can't accept this very simple fact though so they argue it til they are blue in the face because they refuse to admit what they know is true because it is so ugly and unfair.

Such is life.

 

[VladSlayer]

Originally posted by: ExpertNovice

Originally posted by: Thera
The current trend in American politics started around 1995. It's basically the politics of hatred. It's not about what your party stands for; it's about how much you hate the other guy. It doesn't solve the problems government is facing but it really boosts media ratings and makes for good theater.

As I have repeatedly stated, that is what of the mainstream media and eiltes, on both sides, want you to believe.

Divide and conqur.

However, espousing hatred works well with the emotional and those who like violence.

This sounds of truth - media make big money in US, make more money, where the big controversy resides, yes? So big deal, hate you here, this thing hate, hate, then people say, I watch tv to see what happen today! Important if so much hate, yes? So people see the tv and make the money for tv company. This what meant here, yes? Has sound like true.

thanks to all! good helps!

Vladimir

 

[VladSlayer]

Originally posted by: Deudalus
This is exactly true which is why I say that unions, higher corporate taxes, and higher taxes on the rich in general doesn't help the poor.

Other things don't know, and I NO COMMUNIST NO WAY, OK? But, to the Unions, I see good work for the worker man. I in good Union that I know if no Union, owner don't come to me, "Vladimir, let us talk about you money pay - you need more money Vladimir? Well, if want more, need, call and I make increase ok? Oh, you want to make the vacation? OK, Vladimir, why not, that ok, all should make the vacation, Relax!" I don't believe history like that ever.

"...higher corporate taxes, and higher taxes on the rich in general doesn't help the poor." - this I don't know about.

Thanks for time to all AT people! Good fun and information!

Vladimir

 

[Moonbeam]

It's really pretty simple but the answer cannot be believed:

Because we hate ourselves we hate everybody.

 

[ToeJam13]

Originally posted by: VladSlayer
It - my first communication(connection) here (in the POLITICS AND NEWS), and I find these subjects very interesting. The disorder (confusion) which I feel, will be, why - there so a lot of hatred? In my country there is a lot of hatred in a policy(politics), but we have many bad people here, the big corruption, and the old problems which are coming back by times of Soviet Union.

The hatred you feel is the result of the emotion portrayed by the modern American two-party system.

Ever since its inception in 1792 with the Federalist and "Jefferson" Republican parties, Americans have been forced to choose one of only two sides for every issue. This has created a dramatic polarizing effect upon the nation. This polarization has caused such extreme events as the American Civil War. The fights you see in this forum are just a continuation of that effect.

I see many comments which suggest, that many do not think, that Democrats - real Americans, or - are traitors, or are afraid of the terrorist and want to surrender. Then there are many who speak it, Republicans hate cheerful people (I do not understand it, it reflects me, but it is good to anothers, well?), or want to kill all nice rare animals (nature), or to want to send all foreigners away now, or make the borrowing bigger for war (they also say the Republicans love the wartime). They also struggle about "the abortion", and a role the USA in a global policy(politics). But always, BIG hate, I think? Do I sense this correctly?

The problem is that Americans cannot be so easily summarized. There are several major ideologies that currently make up the American voter:

[*]Strong federal government vs strong state government
[*]Fiscally conservative government vs proactive spending and investment
[*]Minimal business regulation & oversight (Laissez-faire) vs proactive business regulation & oversight (Dirigisme)
[*]Conservative social morals vs liberal social morals
[*]Aggressive nationalistic view vs passive nationalistic view
[*]Active international agenda vs isolationistic international agenda

The largest two dividers right now are with social morals and international agenda.

Many Americans with conservative social views feel an erosion of morals and values. They believe that America is sliding down towards a decadent and immoral state, which will eventually lead to its downfall from within (much like Rome). Their detractors say that the current administration is attempting to turn the United States into a Theocracy, which will bring upon a renewed dark age upon the nation. A Theocracy will erode personal freedom and inhibit biotechnology advances.

On the international front, many people believe that the United States is overstretched in the world and plays too many hands in the affairs of other governments. They believe that those affairs hurt other nations and lead to great resentment (see: Iraq war, involvement in Latin America). Others feel just the opposite, that the United States is the only world police. They feel that the UN has lost all credibility when it is rife with corruption and has been hamstrung by politics (see: Libya assignment to the human rights council), and that countries such as France, Germany, Russia and China will ignore any despot tyrant that is a threat due to their shortsighted business ventures with these tyrant's country.

What makes things really difficult is that not all Republicans are religeous zelots. Not all Democrats are against heavy handed international affairs.

But a strange thing, that ALL, apparently, think ANOTHER - not the "REAL" AMERICAN. I explain my item? I confused, to be convinced. In Ukraine, even the bad spoiled (corrupt) person (man) of Ukraine - from Ukraine. It from the American immigrant - past?

Over the past few hundred years, America has created a unique identity for itself, different from all other nations. A simple trip across the US-Canadian border shows how unique it really is, even though the US and Canada are like brothers from the same womb.

With this sense of nationalism, many Americans today frown upon the new wave of unfamiliar and distinctly alien cultures and values that new immigrants bring. Furthermore, many Americans have been hurt by economic globalization. They see immigrants as fierce competition for the remaining unskilled jobs available to them.

As for people referring to other Americans as un-American. . . well, that is simply a derogatory insult. It simply stems from the nationalistic views that some people have.

Due to many friends, who explain (from "Private Message") terms, examples: "Dims" or "Halliburton" or "Bushies" or "New York Slimes" - I work for Ukraine newspaper - so amusing to me (but I do not do not) takes the sides, well?) - though I sometimes think that Bush not so good speaker. It is ok to tell?

Halliburton is an American multi-national conglomerate that has significant influence with government officials in Washington-DC (specifically with the Vice President). It has been awarded numerous contracts with little to no competition and has repeatedly overcharged on government contracts.

Bushies are most likely people who are very pro-Bush.

New York Slimes most likely refers to liberal New York City residents. New York City, being a world-renowned center for arts, literature, news and history, has a bit of an ego. Many of its upper class residents have a Bohemian flair to their values. As such, many people from rural parts of the nation believe that they are looking down upon them. Think of how the peasants thought of the wealthy class in France before the revolution.

 

[Deudalus]

Originally posted by: VladSlayer
Other things don't know, and I NO COMMUNIST NO WAY, OK? But, to the Unions, I see good work for the worker man.

The unions originated in this country because during the great depression here owners/employers could force a worker to work 16 hour days for almost no pay.

In today's society unions fight for 6 weeks paid vacation, fight to remove the right to fire a bad worker, and other things which hurt more than they help. The United States has passed laws regulating all of the things that unions used to have to fight for.

Now unions fight for anything just because they want to keep the dues flowing.

I in good Union that I know if no Union, owner don't come to me, "Vladimir, let us talk about you money pay - you need more money Vladimir? Well, if want more, need, call and I make increase ok? Oh, you want to make the vacation? OK, Vladimir, why not, that ok, all should make the vacation, Relax!" I don't believe history like that ever.

Sure, but there is another side to that coin.

My stepdad just recieved a 20% raise and far better working conditions (doesn't have to travel so much) all without a union. He did this because he is a good, valueable worker that is an asset to his employer.

...higher corporate taxes, and higher taxes on the rich in general doesn't help the poor." - this I don't know about.

Its pretty simple really.

Unions and pro-high tax elected officials seem to believe that you can tax rich people or corporations to death and they will just suck it up and pay it.

The fact is, they don't just pay it and they shouldn't have to.

If you tax a corporation more they will either: raise the price of their goods, demand more from their workers, or fire some of their workers and expect the remaining ones to pick up the slack.

None of those options helps the economy, in fact all of those options hurt the economy.

If you want more money from a corporation, give them tax incenives to invest and expand their businesses and hire more workers. It is far better to recieve 1 dollar in taxes from 5 people who just got a job rather than 1 dollar in taxes from a corporation who could have used that dollar to give those 5 people a job.

Either way the government will get the money, it is all a matter of how it gets the money. Getting it from employed workers is far better than getting it directly from the corporation.

 

[Deudalus]

On a side note, this thread has been pretty entertaining.

I like seeing all the people come out and bring up how full of it both parties are.

Sad that these people don't post here more often.

 

[chcarnage]

I'm wondering if some descriptions here aren't a bit overdramatic? Aren't the two big parties more low-profile? Is there really one dominating wing in each party?