Why president Carter is deserving of the Nobel Peace Prize (what you don't know), a conservative perspective

[MinorityReport]

If Carter were truly a good American with the character he is purported to have, he would tell the Nobel committee to take their award and stick it.

When you yourself manage to win a nobel prize ( I doubt you will ever in your lifetime ) and want to show your true american spirirt, you can tell the committe to stick it.
Until then let Carter enjoy the fame and the little bit of money he got.

As a president perhaps he did not meet certain expectations. However, this peace award is NOT for his job as a president.


I remember when US "sponsored" the Egyptian's nobel prize .. this seems to be a EU sponsored one.

What about Clinton ? Is he next in line ? Nobel 'Cigar Poking' award.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Zipp
Carterpalooza!

This isn't a hit piece

Want more Carter? Okay, but I?m almost done. Here?s something personal ? very ? from Carter?s book The Virtues of Aging:

When I was married at the age of 22 and relishing an active sex life, I assumed that this was a pleasure that my middle-aged parents rarely, if ever, enjoyed. Now, well past 70, Rosalynn and I have learned to accommodate each other?s desires more accurately and generously, and have never had a more complete and enjoyable relationship.

Shudder, shudder, shudder, shudder, shudder, shudder, shudder.

That rag would be good for wiping ones arse except you'd get newsprint on your bottom which makes it good for nothing.

 

[fluxquantum]

wow, this got ugly quick.

 

[tcsenter]

Carter is a class act. His presidency was a bit before my time but most believe he didn't fit the role of President well. He deserves the honor though I hardly care about the politics/motives behind giving the NPP to him.

Ah, well, at least you admit that you don't care why people are given the Nobel Peace Prize or the basis for awarding it, just as long as its given to someone, regardless of the reasons. Ooooo-kay.

When you yourself manage to win a nobel prize ( I doubt you will ever in your lifetime ) and want to show your true american spirirt, you can tell the committe to stick it.

I understand that character and integrity is difficult to come by these days, and that the demonstration of integrity or character is an exceptionally foreign thing to many people, so much that they don't actually believe integrity and character exist, its just something you portray yourself as having, its nothing more than a perception you want to project, and it appears you're no exception to those who find such qualities to be extremely foreign because you have none yourself.

If I were given an award, not because the people who give the award thought I deserved it, but because they were using me for their own political purposes, rest assured I would publicly tell them they can take their award and stuff it. I understand you would accept the award regardless of the motives or reasons. I'm not you.

As a president perhaps he did not meet certain expectations. However, this peace award is NOT for his job as a president.

Nobody claimed it was.

 

[JellyBaby]

Ah, well, at least you admit that you don't care why people are given the Nobel Peace Prize or the basis for awarding it, just as long as its given to someone, regardless of the reasons.

What are you blabbering about? Carter's post-presidency has been spent in admirable service to humanitarian causes. That's what matters, not whether he's given awards and I suspect he feels the same way. The reward is in the doing, something you apparently can't understand.

 

[tcsenter]

What are you blabbering about? Carter's post-presidency has been spent in admirable service to humanitarian causes. That's what matters, not whether he's given awards and I suspect he feels the same way. The reward is in the doing, something you apparently can't understand.

Errr, apparently you failed to read my previous posts, or you wouldn't asking stupid questions.

 

[Martin]

TC, you're taking this way to seriously. I doubt if anyone but the RWPs think Carter was given the prize with the sole intention critizing Bush.

Could it be that Carter, and not Bush the Warmonger, is the kind of man deserving of a peace award? Nooo, that would be simple and logical. Surely there must be some larger EU consipracy aimed at undermining American sovereignty.

 

[Lucky]

disgusting that the committee uses its prestige as a tool for its political agenda. carter should took a fat sh*t on that award and given it back to them.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: tcsenter
If I were given an award, not because the people who give the award thought I deserved it, but because they were using me for their own political purposes, rest assured I would publicly tell them they can take their award and stuff it. I understand you would accept the award regardless of the motives or reasons. I'm not you.

I don't know about you, but to me, it's more of a class act when, instead of protesting this, he quietly takes the money and prestige and uses it to help continue what he's been doing.

By the way, Carter's crowning achievement as President was to get both Israel and Egypt to sign the Camp David Peace Accords. The fact that these two countries have been at peace with each other ever since is truly an amazing accomplishment, and Carter has every right to be proud of that.

 

[tcsenter]

TC, you're taking this way to seriously. I doubt if anyone but the RWPs think Carter was given the prize with the sole intention critizing Bush.

Except for the fact that the CHAIRMAN OF THE NOBEL COMMITTEE confessed that this was in fact their motivation. Jimmy Carter has been nominated dozens of times, he was passed over. The only thing that changed was that the opportunity presented itself for the Nobel Committee to make a political statement.

Is any of this getting through? Do you actually comprehend anything you read? This wasn't a guy who works as a clerk in the mail room, it was the CHAIRMAN of the Nobel committee.

Could it be that Carter, and not Bush the Warmonger, is the kind of man deserving of a peace award? Nooo, that would be simple and logical. Surely there must be some larger EU consipracy aimed at undermining American sovereignty

This wasn't a contest between Bush and Carter for the Nobel Peace Prize, although Bush was nominated. I don't think anyone is all that heart broken that Bush didn't win the Nobel Peace Prize, nor is that the source of anyone's objection, and you damned well know that. The issue is clear, you can dismiss, and distort, and ignore the real issue here, which is not a Republican or Democrat issue at all.

Anyone with any semblence of character and intellectual honesty should be offended at the politicizing of the Nobel Peace Prize. It cheapens the significance of the honor, taints the image of the Nobel Prize, and is an insult to the recipients, who are not being recognized for their works, but being used for the political purposes of the Nobel Committee members.

Dare I ask if you comprehend any of this?

 

[Koba1t]

tscenter, please stop with trying to go out of your way to find contempt for carter or his award. As a fellow conservative, i grow more and more dismayed at the 'ann coulter' mud slinging types that are creeping up all over the place, especially here. We should all be above that. Whether or not you think 1 NPP person based carter's award solely to give bush's policy a slap in the face is irrelevant; that may be that one committee member's opinion. I think he deserved it. And i think one reason why carter one this year and not those other 'dozens of times' is because of recents events (i.e. the cuba trip). What saddens me is some conservative publications (i.e. the national review) tried to spin this as carter kow towing to dictatorships when in fact, if you read his speach, he criticized both the US and Cuba and urged both countries to resolve their differences. That is one of the main reasons, IMHO, why carter deserves the award; it took a lot of courage and heart, especially in the face of criticism, to do what he did.

 

[tcsenter]

tscenter, please stop with trying to go out of your way to find contempt for carter or his award. As a fellow conservative, i grow more and more dismayed at the 'ann coulter' mud slinging types that are creeping up all over the place, especially here.

I have no reason to believe you're any more conservative than Angela Davis, if you think that little trick is going to fool me, you're really not all that bright. Further, you error in assuming I'm a conservative.

Never have I expressed contempt for Carter, in fact I have stated for the record:

"I'm not questioning that Carter deserved to be nominated or even to win the Nobel Prize..."

"Carter did not receive this award because of his service to humanity, or he would have won it already."

"That is a slap in the face to President Carter because he deserves to be recognized for his dedication to peace and service to humanity, not used as a political tool."

Now there could be a few reasons why you have falsely accused me of showing contempt for Carter despite my expressing otherwise.

1. you didn't read a single one of my posts (therefore you shouldn't open your mouth)
2. you read them, but are too stupid to understand them
3. you read them, and you understand them, you're just too dishonest to represent my position fairly and accurately

As you can see, none of those are very flattering to you, and between you and me, if I were a betting man, I'd put my money on #3, myself.

So you can take your phony 'hey, I'm a conservative, so you can't accuse me of being a liberal' and stuff it, because I'm not accusing you of being a liberal, I'm accusing you of being stupid, or dishonest, I'll let you decide which is the case.

We should all be above that. Whether or not you think 1 NPP person based carter's award solely to give bush's policy a slap in the face is irrelevant; that may be that one committee member's opinion. I think he deserved it.

I think everyone is in agreement that Carter deserved to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his dedication to peace and service to humanity. Again, as the CHAIRMAN OF THE NOBEL COMMITTEE, WHO SPEAKS FOR THE NOBEL FOUNDATION AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE BECAUSE AS CHAIRMAN THAT'S HIS JOB, plainly admitted, those were not the reasons Carter was given the award.

 

[Martin]

Anyone with any semblence of character and intellectual honesty should be offended at the politicizing of the Nobel Peace Prize.

give me a break man. Did you read your own article, or do you selectively read only what you want to read?

Let's find some other quotes from the same NYT article:

It deeply angered the Soviet Union in 1975 by awarding the prize to the dissident intellectual Andrei Sakharov, and riled Poland's Communist authorities with a similar award to Lech Walesa in 1983. China was unhappy when the 1989 award went to the Dalai Lama, an implicit criticism of China's occupation of Tibet.

They've always made a political statement, you are just mad that this time they're critizing Bush.

will not further the leftist political agenda of the Nobel Committee members.

Are you mad? Seriously, read the quote from the article above. Why would leftists award the Prize to the likes of Walesa and Sakharov? If they were leftists with a political agenda, why would they not give the prize to the likes of Brezhnev instead?

 

[friedpie]

Originally posted by: Zipp
Carterpalooza!

A good opening would be to outline the key points of the Save the Children report. . . . Then ask: ?What would you do, if these were your children and grandchildren?

Yet it's OK to let those same children strap bombs to their bodies and blow themselves up.

 

[ThePresence]

It seems to me that no one is really getting the point that tscenter is trying to make. Nobody is questioning if JC is deserving of the prize. Without question, he is. But the Nobel Commitee doesn't seem to be concerned if he is or is not deserving of the prize, because it wasn't their intentions to reward Jimmy Carter. Their intentions (as stated by the chairman of the commitee) was to take a pot shot at the Bush administration. If he had any self-respect, or if he felt his achievements were worthy of the award (they are IMO), he'd throw the award back at them.

 

[friedpie]

I know what TC is saying, and tend to I agree with him. It's politics as usual.

I don't agree that JC should send it back. The poor guy has worked his entire life trying to get it. He'd never give it back. Are you kidding me? Now that he has it I wouldn't be surprised to see him fall over dead. He can finally rest in peace. He finally got what means more to him than anything else.

 

[Red Dawn]

It seems to me that no one is really getting the point that tscenter is trying to make

Can you blame them? After his insults the only thing on the mind of the reader of his posts is what an asshat he is. If you don't agree with him then he declares you unsophisticated, stupid and dishonest.
Frankly the only thing that I get out of his posts is that the Internet is a god send for him because it has undoubtedly prevented him from getting punched in the mouth numerous times.

 

[tcsenter]

give me a break man. Did you read your own article, or do you selectively read only what you want to read? Let's find some other quotes from the same NYT article:

I'm well aware that politics has tainted the Nobel Peace Prize several times in the past, but to say that because this has happened several times before, "they've always awarded the Nobel for political reasons" as to suggest that is SUPPOSED to be the intent, is a monumental cop-out and moreover fundamentally incorrect.

You may embrace the philosophy that previous wrongs excuse all current and future wrongs for no other reason than the bankrupt and unprincipled position that 'well it happened before so its ok for it to happen now', but I don't. Quite frankly, I'd be embarassed to admit that is my belief, but apparently it doesn't trouble you.

And so your attempt to excuse it is an implicit confession that the Nobel Peace Prize isn't really any sort of honor at all, if its awarded, not for reasons of merit and objectivity, but for political motivations, where deserving people are excluded for no other reason than because recognizing them wouldn't serve the political bias of the Nobel committee members.

If that's the Nobel Prize you support, then we have nothing further to discuss.

Are you mad? Seriously, read the quote from the article above. Why would leftists award the Prize to the likes of Walesa and Sakharov? If they were leftists with a political agenda, why would they not give the prize to the likes of Brezhnev instead?

You confuse "leftist" with "communist", apparently political philosophy isn't one of your strengths.

When you can figure out the inherent error in your suggestion that because Sakharov was awarded the Nobel, the Nobel committee must, therefore, not be leftist, let us know. Its time you began to figure out the flaws within your own thinking instead of me having to do it for you.

If you get stuck, and I entertain no delusions here about your intellectual might, and you want my assistance, feel free to ask.

 

[tcsenter]

Frankly the only thing that I get out of his posts is that the Internet is a god send for him because it has undoubtedly prevented him from getting punched in the mouth numerous times.

Once again, Red is incorrect. The internet has not prevented me from getting punched in the mouth numerous times.

Red, buddy, you're actually supposed to be trying to get something right, not deliberately trying to be wrong all the time. Wait, maybe... :Q

 

[PG]

Originally posted by: friedpie
I know what TC is saying, and tend to I agree with him. It's politics as usual.

I don't agree that JC should send it back. The poor guy has worked his entire life trying to get it. He'd never give it back. Are you kidding me? Now that he has it I wouldn't be surprised to see him fall over dead. He can finally rest in peace. He finally got what means more to him than anything else.

I don't buy that for a second. I see Carter as a good man who really cares and wants to make a difference. He's done lot of things for no reward. He doesn't just do and say things when the cameras are on him ala Jesse Jackson.

 

[Red Dawn]

. The internet has not prevented me from getting punched in the mouth numerous times.

Well it has on this occasion

 

[JellyBaby]

Carter won, get over it.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: JellyBaby
Carter won, get over it.

Again, nobody has any problem with the fact that Carter won. It's the motivation of the Nobel committee giving him the prize in a way that cheapens him and his achievements that bothers people.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: JellyBaby
Carter won, get over it.

Again, nobody has any problem with the fact that Carter won. It's the motivation of giving him the prize in a way that cheapens him and his achievements that bothers people.

Just a small minority on the fringe.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: JellyBaby
Carter won, get over it.

Again, nobody has any problem with the fact that Carter won. It's the motivation of giving him the prize in a way that cheapens him and his achievements that bothers people.

Just a small minority on the fringe.

Who? The Nobel Committee or those who question their motives?