Why NOT to use Fram filters... !!!!

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: MAME
it's worth the savings to many people

everyone has bad experiences with any given product

How much are you saving? $10 at most?

If you fret over $10, then you have bigger problems than what oil filter to use.

I wouldn't know their reasons exactly, but it's enough to keep them coming back for more.

The reason is because they don't know any better.

 

[tranceport]

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[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: tranceport
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After one minute?

 

[Howard]

http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/old_filters.shtml

 

[IGBT]

..been using fram for years and never had a problem..but I don't leave in there long either..r/r 3kmiles or less.

 

[StageLeft]

Now I can see the pic. Fram would have saved money by paying for that engine repair...

 

[tokamak]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Fram is crap. I use Wix for all my vehicles.

 

[jlee]

I've used Fram for about 40,000 miles..always with Mobil1, though..maybe it's time to change. I just put one in yesterday..lol

 

[cjgallen]

I always knew Fram was garbage, and my car doesn't even have an oil filter!

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: IGBT
..been using fram for years and never had a problem..but I don't leave in there long either..r/r 3kmiles or less.

Well now you knwo the truth. So save some money and get a better filter.

Advance, autozone, and walmart all have filters in the $2 range that are better and cheaper

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: KEV1N

Originally posted by: J0hnny

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: J0hnny
Honda uses FRAM to make ther OEM filters and I believe other companies have started too.

Only the cheap dealer filters are Frams at hondas. Just make sure you use Made in Japan ones, or you are getting junk.
And I don;t know anyone else that uses fram right now.

I think Honeywell/ whatever the name of the parent "FRAM" company makes all honda OEM filters for the US, so if you buy it from ANY dealer, you're buying FRAM.

This is incorrect, I bought 4 filters from Honda very recently. They were made in Japan by Filtech, the old supplier. So some are Fram, some are Filtech. You just have to look at the filter before you pay.

Like he mentions, there are still non fram OEM filters. Toyo Roki, a japanese parts OEM, has a subsidiary in the US called filtech, which supplies honda with oil filters.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: cjgallen
I always knew Fram was garbage, and my car doesn't even have an oil filter!

Uh, lol.



So what, do you have to change the oil every 25-50 operating hours, like a lawnmower? lol

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: cjgallen
I always knew Fram was garbage, and my car doesn't even have an oil filter!

Uh, lol.



So what, do you have to change the oil every 25-50 operating hours, like a lawnmower? lol

The unique 11-gauge steel in his block has a wear rate of approximately 2.64x10^-13mm per hour at an average speed of 2000RPM at 40% duty load.

(I got the "unique 11-gauge steel" part out of the item description for a ceiling-mounted TV yoke)

 

[Brutuskend]

I had one of those EXPLODE on me right after I rebuilt my VW engine. The bad part was(besides to obvious fact that it blew up) that it happened way out in the boonies on a MTB/camping trip. The good part was, Luckily it was mounted on a remote oil filter set-up and by re routing the oil lines I was able to cut it out of the system and drive the car back to town.

I will never buy another Fram filter...

 

[Eli]

To those of you trying to justify using them because you have been and "haven't had any problems", or because you like the stupid grippy stuff.. just let me ask you this:


Does cardboard have ANY business being inside your engine?

I rest my case.

 

[TwoBills]

My brother sent me an email about a guy whose hobby was cutting filters apart and measuring the sq. in. of the filter elements and checking the quality of the internal components. Bottom line: Fram had half the sq. in. of almost any other filter + poor quality components.

He mentioned 4 or 5 filters that were of a decent quality, but the only one that stuck in my mind was Napa silver. About 3 or 4 bucks. I'll never use Fram again. The only good thing about them was the rough grip that helped w/the hand tightening, a little. But that's just a marketing gimic.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: TwoBills
My brother sent me an email about a guy whose hobby was cutting filters apart and measuring the sq. in. of the filter elements and checking the quality of the internal components. Bottom line: Fram had half the sq. in. of almost any other filter + poor quality components.

He mentioned 4 or 5 filters that were of a decent quality, but the only one that stuck in my mind was Napa silver. About 3 or 4 bucks. I'll never use Fram again. The only good thing about them was the rough grip that helped w/the hand tightening, a little. But that's just a marketing gimic.

You might want to read the thread.

From the excellent review posted by Howard:

Napa Silver:

Comments:
This filter's only claim to fame lies in it's surface area- 190 square inches. Other than that, it's by far the most poorly designed and constructed. The large surface area comes in part from the fact that there is no filter "cartridge," the casing of the filter itself is used as a cartridge. It is also due to the fact that the filter material was half the thickness of the others tested- only .016" thick! While this design saves money, the lack of a proper cartridge and small end plate holes look like it would seriously impede flow. The stamped-steel spring bypass valve looks like it would not only seal poorly, but also flow poorly when open, and be likely to stick open if it ever did. In all, the design of this filter is so questionable that I would recommend against it's use, certainly in racing.

 

[TwoBills]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: TwoBills
My brother sent me an email about a guy whose hobby was cutting filters apart and measuring the sq. in. of the filter elements and checking the quality of the internal components. Bottom line: Fram had half the sq. in. of almost any other filter + poor quality components.

He mentioned 4 or 5 filters that were of a decent quality, but the only one that stuck in my mind was Napa silver. About 3 or 4 bucks. I'll never use Fram again. The only good thing about them was the rough grip that helped w/the hand tightening, a little. But that's just a marketing gimic.

You might want to read the thread.

From the excellent review posted by Howard:

Napa Silver:

Comments:
This filter's only claim to fame lies in it's surface area- 190 square inches. Other than that, it's by far the most poorly designed and constructed. The large surface area comes in part from the fact that there is no filter "cartridge," the casing of the filter itself is used as a cartridge. It is also due to the fact that the filter material was half the thickness of the others tested- only .016" thick! While this design saves money, the lack of a proper cartridge and small end plate holes look like it would seriously impede flow. The stamped-steel spring bypass valve looks like it would not only seal poorly, but also flow poorly when open, and be likely to stick open if it ever did. In all, the design of this filter is so questionable that I would recommend against it's use, certainly in racing.

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Whoa, that's an eye opener. I recend what I said about Napa silvers. I'll stick w/the gold line from now on. Thanks for the link DonVito.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: TwoBills

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: TwoBills
My brother sent me an email about a guy whose hobby was cutting filters apart and measuring the sq. in. of the filter elements and checking the quality of the internal components. Bottom line: Fram had half the sq. in. of almost any other filter + poor quality components.

He mentioned 4 or 5 filters that were of a decent quality, but the only one that stuck in my mind was Napa silver. About 3 or 4 bucks. I'll never use Fram again. The only good thing about them was the rough grip that helped w/the hand tightening, a little. But that's just a marketing gimic.

You might want to read the thread.

From the excellent review posted by Howard:

Napa Silver:

Comments:
This filter's only claim to fame lies in it's surface area- 190 square inches. Other than that, it's by far the most poorly designed and constructed. The large surface area comes in part from the fact that there is no filter "cartridge," the casing of the filter itself is used as a cartridge. It is also due to the fact that the filter material was half the thickness of the others tested- only .016" thick! While this design saves money, the lack of a proper cartridge and small end plate holes look like it would seriously impede flow. The stamped-steel spring bypass valve looks like it would not only seal poorly, but also flow poorly when open, and be likely to stick open if it ever did. In all, the design of this filter is so questionable that I would recommend against it's use, certainly in racing.

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Whoa, that's an eye opener. I recend what I said about Napa silvers. I'll stick w/the gold line from now on. Thanks for the link DonVito.

WTF? He even said I posted it. :|

 

[dionx]

ok i've been using fram on my car since as far as i can remember since that's what my dad uses. can someone recommend me a decent filter for a 2000 Honda Accord LX Inline-4? Thanks.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: dionx
ok i've been using fram on my car since as far as i can remember since that's what my dad uses. can someone recommend me a decent filter for a 2000 Honda Accord LX Inline-4? Thanks.

Pick any of the suggested ones in the review I linked to.

 

[jkersenbr]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Fram is crap. I use Wix for all my vehicles.

Me too (Carquest Premium Blue filters are WIX and darn good.). Fleetguard would be second choice.