Wow, pretty informative piece there C'DaleRider. Yes, some of us were born before the generation that thinks reading more than two paragraphs necessitates cliffnotes so I did read the entire thing.
Originally posted by: Brutuskend
A post I made awhile back dealing with Korea....
Edit: A serious POST for a change!
very interesting .
i'm a korean too and afaik, all koreans wanted reunification, but the ways to it differed by each states.. (s and n)
couple years ago, things seemed to move very seriously towards reunification, but after president changed, i haven't heard much talk about it lately.
and yes, i agree 100% that China (Russia would'd been here 13 yrs ago) and US plays a BIG role, if not 100% role in future of the Korean Penninsula.
I read it too.. Very well done.
I don't know that I agree with treating police brutality as an international HR violation. Reason being that most of those are performed by INDIVIDUALS, or groups of individuals. There is no officially sanctioned police brutality. (I know, some departments can look the other way or whatever, but it certainly isn't documented that it is allowed!)
We've done things in our past that were really crappy. But we (hopefully) have grown out of it.
As for us joining the international courts and committing international law to US law: Remember that the President proposes, and Congress disposes.
Bushy may be dumb, but he's not stupid.
They have an organized and viable military, unlike Iraq. Our losses would be devastating, particularly in comparison to the very light losses suffered in Iraq.
They have an organized and viable military, unlike Iraq. Our losses would be devastating, particularly in comparison to the very light losses suffered in Iraq.
As long as China has a mutual defense pact with the NK, we dare not attack. Damn bleeding heart liberals get upset when three people die in Iraq. How do you think they'd react when the NK and China nuke millions and starts using bioweapons everywhere they can get them to?
That's what I've always maintained. Our little military ventures after Vietnam have been a walk in the park in comparison to the widespread devestation and death toll that would invariably arise from an invasion of North Korea. Contrary to the misconceptions of some people we can cannot carpet bomb the whole country or nuke it which would spark vast political upheavel in it's own right, due to the fact we're mindful of civilian casualties. These aren't the days of Germany invading Poland without regard to loss of life. We try to minimize non combatant deaths.
As for nuclear weapons, although I know we would never use them against North Korea, if we were that would essentially give a green light to India and Pakistan to use theirs as they've been threatening to do for years. I would imagine their rationale would be if the U.S. can use them why can't we and we would be too involved to intervene.
I shudder to think of the ramifications from China if we were to engage in hostilities with N.K. I would bet they would use the opportunity to invade Taiwan as international attention would be drawn elsewhere not to mention our military might couldn't handle yet another conflict in the region protecting Taiwan. Perhaps this is a bit dramatic but I feel an invasion against North Korea would trigger far reaching global consequences.
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There are only two scenarios that I see which could lead to nuclear weapons being used:
1. Kim Jong goes crazy and decides that he needs to vaporize Seoul.
2. A full-scale conventional attack is launched at SK.
In either event the end result is several NK cities receiving the business end of an MX missile approximately 30 minutes later.
I would consider an invasion by U.S. forces extremely unlikely due to our current overseas commitments and the advantage NK would have fighting a defensive war.
1. Kim Jong goes crazy and decides that he needs to vaporize Seoul.
2. A full-scale conventional attack is launched at SK.
In either event the end result is several NK cities receiving the business end of an MX missile approximately 30 minutes later.
I would consider an invasion by U.S. forces extremely unlikely due to our current overseas commitments and the advantage NK would have fighting a defensive war.
Let's shoot the hostage...uhem..S Korea... in the shoulder to throw the commies off and then..BAM!
ME?!?!?! A BUSH SUPPORTER?!?!?!?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
wow, that's a first! so is your claiming i'm dim!
I didn't say invade every country that is comitting attrocities. My question didn't just focus on the death camps in N Korea, but also on their nuclear pursual. Do they have nukes yet? i'm guessing they do by previous posts. I dunno, basically it all comes down to overpopulation. we need to start to control our reproduction rates, but not by killing off people.
also, i was questioning our war in Iraq when there are other more blatant and true offenders. Bush is now claiming Human Rights violations as his reason for going to war, so my question was why not N Korea? they are currently comitting attrocities vs. Hussein's US Sanctioned attrocities of the 80's
North Korea != South KoreaOriginally posted by: Quixfire
Because they are better at Starcraft than us.
From This Thread I started some time back.
The more History you know, the harder it is to decide what IS the right thing to do.
I dont understand this. Its not like we are sucking oil out of Iraq. So why does everyone say its about the oil?
Again, I dont see any oil coming into the US from Iraq......if there is, it certainly isnt affecting gas prices.
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