Why not hire game crackers to a proper job?

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: elpres05
Starforce version 4 installs on your root drive and probably stays there even after a complete game uninstall, featured in games like Kingkong, POP and BLC. It is also the most difficult protection system to crack but after a few days a little utility comes and you own the game once and for all.

I don't understand how these games get cracked within 7 days after launch. Are these hackers really intelligent or do they get support from the companies themselves?

if they are really that smart, why don't the companies offer them a proper job and probably produce an unbeatable protection system.

Well, a bunch of the big cracker groups have guys within the companies that produce the games themeselves. [Rockstar is one that comes to mind]. Many of the guys are coder who do cracking at night.

Also, just to note. The last Splinter Cell game, I believe, still has not been cracked.

 

[CTho9305]

Originally posted by: Doom Machine
it was easier to pirate back in the days of console cartridges...i remember i used to rent a game, then take a plastic pencil and melt the end with a lighter and force it into the screw slot (propriatary screws) and within seconds i had my own screwdriver that fit perfectly and simply swapped out the inside board with a purposely disabled crappy game and give it back saying the game didnt work and they always gave me a refund, of course i didnt do it too often at the same store but still same thing as todays pirating just different method

That's theft, not piracy.

 

[Barfo]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: elpres05

if they are really that smart, why don't the companies offer them a proper job and probably produce an unbeatable protection system.

No such thing as an unbeatable software protection system.

QFT

 

[Doom Machine]

Originally posted by: CTho9305

Originally posted by: Doom Machine
it was easier to pirate back in the days of console cartridges...i remember i used to rent a game, then take a plastic pencil and melt the end with a lighter and force it into the screw slot (propriatary screws) and within seconds i had my own screwdriver that fit perfectly and simply swapped out the inside board with a purposely disabled crappy game and give it back saying the game didnt work and they always gave me a refund, of course i didnt do it too often at the same store but still same thing as todays pirating just different method

That's theft, not piracy.

piracy or copying if you will is theft, you didnt pay for it, its illegal and regardless of how you do it your still stealing.

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: Doom Machine

Originally posted by: CTho9305

Originally posted by: Doom Machine
it was easier to pirate back in the days of console cartridges...i remember i used to rent a game, then take a plastic pencil and melt the end with a lighter and force it into the screw slot (propriatary screws) and within seconds i had my own screwdriver that fit perfectly and simply swapped out the inside board with a purposely disabled crappy game and give it back saying the game didnt work and they always gave me a refund, of course i didnt do it too often at the same store but still same thing as todays pirating just different method

That's theft, not piracy.

piracy or copying if you will is theft, you didnt pay for it, its illegal and regardless of how you do it your still stealing.

what is your point in saying this?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: CTho9305

Originally posted by: Doom Machine
it was easier to pirate back in the days of console cartridges...i remember i used to rent a game, then take a plastic pencil and melt the end with a lighter and force it into the screw slot (propriatary screws) and within seconds i had my own screwdriver that fit perfectly and simply swapped out the inside board with a purposely disabled crappy game and give it back saying the game didnt work and they always gave me a refund, of course i didnt do it too often at the same store but still same thing as todays pirating just different method

That's theft, not piracy.

no kidding, he's actually damaging actual goods and wasting actual services to commit his theft which is worse then plain piracy. i know he's going to deny it but he's just a twit anyways.

i mean what kind of n00b does that anyways? anyone that copied cartridges just imported one of those game doctors or whatever pirate floppy/harddrive copiers. most snes games took 1-2 floppies and he thought he was being clever what a sh*t.

 

[poohbear]

Originally posted by: Doom Machine

Originally posted by: CTho9305

Originally posted by: Doom Machine


piracy or copying if you will is theft, you didnt pay for it, its illegal and regardless of how you do it your still stealing.

no no no. the world isnt black and white, there are degrees of wrong. U took something that other people dont & can't have because u're the sole possesor of said object. That's theft.

Piracy is when u take something and share it w/ other people, sometimes for monetary gain, but the point being that other ppl are using the item w/ u.

since more ppl are recipients of piracy than theft, ppl are more apt to condone it. The ppl that usually complain about piracy are the developers, and they're absolutely justified in doing this because their hard earned product is being taken without being paid for.

so, doom machine

1. isnt sharing, and

2. is'nt paying the developers.

spank yourself please.

 

[CTho9305]

Piracy is when u take something and share it w/ other people, sometimes for monetary gain, but the point being that other ppl are using the item w/ u.

No, taking something is theft. If you go to Best Buy, swipe a copy of F.E.A.R. and share it with your friends that's theft. If you're costing somebody money (e.g. the money they spent producing the CD, the manual, the box, shipping it to the retailer, etc), it's theft. It's piracy only if nobody was [directly] financially damaged (i.e. the finances of all parties involved are affected the same way they would be if you hadn't obtained the product at all). I say "directly" because companies will argue potential sales that didn't happen are loses, which is not true.

 

[0roo0roo]

yup there are different levels of theft. its just logical. if i break into your home and take your pc with your book manuscript on it or whatever, thats a big loss to you. its far worse then say if i secretly copied your pc design or book from afar for my own personal use. now if i used to stolen knowledge to make money and steal your customers that would again be more severe damage than just stealing information for personal use. its the extent of harm.

 

[theMan]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: elpres05
Starforce version 4 installs on your root drive and probably stays there even after a complete game uninstall, featured in games like Kingkong, POP and BLC. It is also the most difficult protection system to crack but after a few days a little utility comes and you own the game once and for all.

I don't understand how these games get cracked within 7 days after launch. Are these hackers really intelligent or do they get support from the companies themselves?

if they are really that smart, why don't the companies offer them a proper job and probably produce an unbeatable protection system.

Well, a bunch of the big cracker groups have guys within the companies that produce the games themeselves. [Rockstar is one that comes to mind]. Many of the guys are coder who do cracking at night.

Also, just to note. The last Splinter Cell game, I believe, still has not been cracked.

yes, splinter cell chaos theory has not been cracked, but, people have figured out ways to get it to work. i dont think i should be giving instructions on the forums though. but, its just so annoying to do that its not worth it.

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: elpres05
Starforce version 4 installs on your root drive and probably stays there even after a complete game uninstall, featured in games like Kingkong, POP and BLC. It is also the most difficult protection system to crack but after a few days a little utility comes and you own the game once and for all.

I don't understand how these games get cracked within 7 days after launch. Are these hackers really intelligent or do they get support from the companies themselves?

if they are really that smart, why don't the companies offer them a proper job and probably produce an unbeatable protection system.

The games get cracked really quickly because they work in teams. It also helps that the protection or anticheat runs clientside. You can "hook" various requests from a low level. For instance a program looks at your memory to see what you are running. This progam must request to see this information and it is possible to send it any information you would like.

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: Mark R
My understanding is that this is still how things work these days. If you want the latest and best pirate software - it's invite only, and the invites don't just go to anyone - you have to be a trusted 'friend' or fellow cracker.

You are joking right?

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: elpres05
For the internet speeds i get, i wouldn't even bother to download new games considering they are now reaching the 5 GB barrier. Does anyone actually know where these hacker groups originate. After sep 9/11, a new convention "Terrorists use piracy to fund thier massive projects" spread all over the place, atleast in britain i know.

Theyre talking about games and movies that are sold in China etc. How could they possibly make money off of you logging into bit torrent lets not be crazy.

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: elpres05
Starforce version 4 installs on your root drive and probably stays there even after a complete game uninstall, featured in games like Kingkong, POP and BLC. It is also the most difficult protection system to crack but after a few days a little utility comes and you own the game once and for all.

I don't understand how these games get cracked within 7 days after launch. Are these hackers really intelligent or do they get support from the companies themselves?

if they are really that smart, why don't the companies offer them a proper job and probably produce an unbeatable protection system.

Well, a bunch of the big cracker groups have guys within the companies that produce the games themeselves. [Rockstar is one that comes to mind]. Many of the guys are coder who do cracking at night.

Also, just to note. The last Splinter Cell game, I believe, still has not been cracked.

You're kidding too right. Do you want me to help you use SC:CT without your dvd/cd.

There was a crack for it very quickly but it was originally only able to work with people who had a USB cd/dvd drive

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: theman

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: elpres05
Starforce version 4 installs on your root drive and probably stays there even after a complete game uninstall, featured in games like Kingkong, POP and BLC. It is also the most difficult protection system to crack but after a few days a little utility comes and you own the game once and for all.

I don't understand how these games get cracked within 7 days after launch. Are these hackers really intelligent or do they get support from the companies themselves?

if they are really that smart, why don't the companies offer them a proper job and probably produce an unbeatable protection system.

Well, a bunch of the big cracker groups have guys within the companies that produce the games themeselves. [Rockstar is one that comes to mind]. Many of the guys are coder who do cracking at night.

Also, just to note. The last Splinter Cell game, I believe, still has not been cracked.

yes, splinter cell chaos theory has not been cracked, but, people have figured out ways to get it to work. i dont think i should be giving instructions on the forums though. but, its just so annoying to do that its not worth it.

You get SC:CT to work the same way you get all the others to work with that protections scheme - POP:TTT, King Kong -etc

 

[theMan]

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: theman

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: elpres05
Starforce version 4 installs on your root drive and probably stays there even after a complete game uninstall, featured in games like Kingkong, POP and BLC. It is also the most difficult protection system to crack but after a few days a little utility comes and you own the game once and for all.

I don't understand how these games get cracked within 7 days after launch. Are these hackers really intelligent or do they get support from the companies themselves?

if they are really that smart, why don't the companies offer them a proper job and probably produce an unbeatable protection system.

Well, a bunch of the big cracker groups have guys within the companies that produce the games themeselves. [Rockstar is one that comes to mind]. Many of the guys are coder who do cracking at night.

Also, just to note. The last Splinter Cell game, I believe, still has not been cracked.

yes, splinter cell chaos theory has not been cracked, but, people have figured out ways to get it to work. i dont think i should be giving instructions on the forums though. but, its just so annoying to do that its not worth it.

You get SC:CT to work the same way you get all the others to work with that protections scheme - POP:TTT, King Kong -etc

yup. there have been several registry tweaks, and other things that have stopped starforce, but they are quickly patched. but, the one thing that works is ***** (dont want to get banned...)

 

[Doom Machine]

mean what kind of n00b does that anyways? anyone that copied cartridges just imported one of those game doctors or whatever pirate floppy/harddrive copiers. most snes games took 1-2 floppies and he thought he was being clever what a sh*t.

not everyone wanted much less had a computer in the 80's, nor did i ever hear of nintendo emulators on such systems back then so what would be the point.

copyright piracy can have much larger fines than theft of actual game, since both are illegal there is no level that makes copying any better or moral of a crime than physical theft, in both circumstances the developer didnt get the money they deserved, its the difference between countereiting or stealing real money..thier both bad