Why not down-rate pre-installed apps?

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rudeguy

rudeguy

Lifer
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If we all start rating pre installed apps "1's", wouldn't the app devs start taking notice?

I know why the carriers do it... just trying to find a way to get the software companies to see their errors. If their app is getting thousands of negative reviews a day, wouldn't they maybe start to rethink things?
 
Oyeve

Oyeve

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You can already do this. Once there is an update for the preinstalled app just give it negative reviews. Or you can search the market for the same app and diss it. I see it all the time and it hasnt done jackshit.
 
rudeguy

rudeguy

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dguy6789 said:
One has to be really really OCD to be bothered at all by preinstalled apps.
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If I really wanted the app, it's install it. Give me a folder with some suggestions... ok great. Install it and don't let me uninstall? I hate your app out of principle.
 
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Glitchny

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Everyone who owned the phone(s) would have to do it, and they never would because most people don't really care.
 
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you2

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Even if everyone did it the vendors could care less; that's why they make em non-deletable.
 
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Munky

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Are you talking about carrier-mandated bloat apps? Or preinstalled apps the are packaged with the OS? Because I like the fact that the OS comes with preinstalled apps and capabilities, I don't have to go digging through thousands of garbage apps to find something useful.
 
NikolaeVarius

NikolaeVarius

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stlc8tr said:
Pre-installed apps are in /system/app. Without root, you can't remove them. Who would you blame for this design?
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That is a very VERY dumb question.

Think about it for a minute, and get back to me. Who is installing these preinstalled apps.
 
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stlc8tr

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NikolaeVarius said:
That is a very VERY dumb question.

Think about it for a minute, and get back to me. Who is installing these preinstalled apps.
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Shrug. Way to ad hominem, dude.

If Google provided a way to easily remove pre-install apps then it wouldn't be an issue.
 
NikolaeVarius

NikolaeVarius

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stlc8tr said:
Shrug. Way to ad hominem, dude.

If Google provided a way to easily remove pre-install apps then it wouldn't be an issue.
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Wow. You're kidding me. Critical Thinking skills, use them.

Google DOES provide an easy way to remove apps, its called the un-install button.

If you really can't figure out what is happening here, I don't know what do say.

But I'll give you a hint. (You're using an Open Source piece of software where carriers are installing apps to the protected partition. Having an OS without a protected partition where core functionality is kept would be one of the dumbest things you can do. I don't know how you can possibly blame Google when carriers install apps to the protected sector that can only be removed when you deliberately unlock the protected sector. The process of rooting is core Android functionality that allows you to do anything you want to the system. Carriers do not provide root by default because it could open up people doing stupid things unknowingly. So yes, Google allows you to uninstall anything you want, but carriers remove that functionality from the defaults to prevent you from lets say, uninstalling the Phone app or the Contacts app)

Basic security protocol, do you know them? Carriers are piggy backing on this. There is no line of rational thought that could ever EVER lead back to this being google's fault.
 
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stlc8tr

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NikolaeVarius said:
Wow. You're kidding me. Critical Thinking skills, use them.

Google DOES provide an easy way to remove apps, its called the un-install button.

If you really can't figure out what is happening here, I don't know what do say.
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I guess you don't work for an app developer or a carrier then. If you did, you would know that it doesn't work that way.

Anyway, since you're not in the biz, I'll stop responding since you don't have experience in the field.
 
NikolaeVarius

NikolaeVarius

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stlc8tr said:
I guess you don't work for an app developer or a carrier then. If you did, you would know that it doesn't work that way.

Anyway, since you're not in the biz, I'll stop responding since you don't have experience in the field.
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So you're telling me, Google does NOT provide a uninstall function for eerything.

You're also telling me that, carriers not NOT installing apps to the protected system files.

Also, you're telling me that carriers are NOT removing root privileges.

And apparently being able to get access to core files without root is apparently a good thing.
 
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ChAoTiCpInOy

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NikolaeVarius said:
Google DOES provide an easy way to remove apps, its called the un-install button.
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There was no uninstall button for preinstalled apps until ICS. And before that the only way you can remove preinstalled apps was by rooting it. So obviously Google had an implementation to remove preinstalled apps.
 
Bateluer

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Wonder if anyone has tried emailing the developers of the pre-installed apps to complain? Carriers don't care, but they can handle negative publicity because if you want a cell phone, you have no choice. App developers aren't in a government mandated monopoly position.

Course, the preinstalled apps usually aren't coming from tiny dev groups either.
 
rudeguy

rudeguy

Lifer
Dec 27, 2001
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Hmm... I've started a trend. After my round of 1's, there were about ten people that followed.

Brought one down half a star in less than a day.

Come on people.... we can do it!
 
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ChAoTiCpInOy said:
There was no uninstall button for preinstalled apps until ICS. And before that the only way you can remove preinstalled apps was by rooting it. So obviously Google had an implementation to remove preinstalled apps.
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Preinstalled apps could always be removed without root unless the carriers took steps to prevent it which many did. ICS added the option to freeze apps as a way for users to prevent these apps they did not want from running.
 
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dguy6789

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JoeMcJoe said:
Not if it always runs in the background, uses cpu, uses data and can't be turned off.
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To my knowledge there has never been one that does. Even vanilla ICS includes "bloatware". iOS does too. Why don't we all go on a campaign to protest Microsoft including notepad preinstalled with Windows while we're at it. It's seriously a non issue.
 
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ChAoTiCpInOy

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Puddle Jumper said:
Preinstalled apps could always be removed without root unless the carriers took steps to prevent it which many did. ICS added the option to freeze apps as a way for users to prevent these apps they did not want from running.
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Does that include preinstalled carrier apps as well?
 
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