why must you have your seat fully upright for takeoff and landing?

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jiggahertz

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Originally posted by: DainBramaged
I make sure to constantly kick the back of the seat of the person that reclines into my lap.

I brace my knees against the back of the seat to prevent the recliners. If that fails, then I kick.
 

Homerboy

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here's an idea, rather than bickering has anyone bothered to look up the reason?

A primary purpose for upright airplane seats is ease of egress, or exiting, from the plane. In a non-emergency situation, deplaning would be a much longer and more inconvenient process if passengers had to nearly climb over seat backs in order to get to the aisles of the aircraft. The economy classes in most aircraft have an average seat pitch (the space between seats in a row) of about 31 inches (78.7 centimeters). This is a tight fit with upright airplane seats. It is easy to imagine how small the space becomes when a seat back intrudes into the already narrow area.

http://www.wisegeek.com/why-do...akeoff-and-landing.htm
 

flunky nassau

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Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Originally posted by: antillean
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: RollWave
When a plane crashes or goes through something crazy, the position they tell you to take is to bend forward over your legs and cover your head. By having your seat up you're more able to take that positiion.

thats dumb
your most likely gonna die anyway, might as well be comfortable when you go IMO

People have survived plane crashes.

People have also survived falling from an airplane.

I for one will take being comfortable.

You for one are just plain stupid.

You would rather be confortable or try to improve your survival chances in a plane crash?

The seat must be retracted to allow people to bend their torso unto their lap. This is done for several reasons: There are no airbag in planes keeping you from smashing your face into the seat in front of you. Your only restrain is the lap belt, in the event of a crash your torso would be flung forward violently into the seat in front of you.
It just makes sense to adopt a position that minimises the risks to yourself and others.

Chances of surviving a plane crash is very slim to none.
So I doubt the 3 or so inches that the sean leans back is gonna make much of a difference


With percentages that small, I'd welcome any advantage I could find to survive.

 

spidey07

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From homer's article...

"Another reason for upright airplane seats is that airplane seats can become weapons in a crash, or even in a hard landing. A reclined seat back could kill or seriously injure the passenger behind, if it should come unbolted, or if the passenger behind it is thrown forward. So, upright airplane seats are necessary.

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You WILL put your seat up if you are in front of me. Couple that with I normally get an exit seat do to my height and willingness to take others safety and life into my own hands if something does happen.

You WILL put your seat upright and put traytables up.

I care about other people and will do my part to ensure their safety in the event of an emergency.

The reason why you have to have your seat upright during takeoff and landing has been fully answered in this thread. For others - if the person in front of you does not put their seat up kindly ask them to put their seat up. If they don't, forcefully do it for them.
 

2Xtreme21

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The thing I don't understand is that I can't have my MP3 player on while we're on the ground.
 

SludgeFactory

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Originally posted by: BCYL
In case something happens, it is easier/faster for passengers to get out and evacuate the plane with all seats & tray tables up...
That's what I always assumed.

I wish the seats didn't recline at all. The 20 extra degrees of leaning back or whatever you get now in coach does essentially nothing, however it sucks for the person behind who loses 2-3 inches of legroom at the knees and had none to spare to begin with.
 

EGGO

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Are 3 inches really worth that big a deal to you?

...If you're a guy, don't answer that question.
 

0roo0roo

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there was a mythbusters on this
brace position does work
gives better chance in survivng crash landing.
 

Darwin333

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: waggy
you only need to do it on takeoffs and landings. the few minutes of intrusion into your relaxation is nothing. the slim the chance it may save your life or someone else's is worth it.

Perhaps to you.

Are you telling me that a few minutes of inconvenience to you is worth more than even the slimmest increase of my daughters survivability should something go wrong?

Chances are that my house will never catch fire. I still don't mind the inconvenience of installing them and maintaining them.

I have been driving for over 10 years and I have never been in a major accident. I still use safety as a factor of which vehicle I buy and I and my family still use seatbelts.

Your comfort does not outweigh my families safety. Like the other guy said, if you have a problem putting your seat up I will do it for you before I allow you to put myself, my wife or my child in any undue danger.
 

Evadman

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: waggy
you only need to do it on takeoffs and landings. the few minutes of intrusion into your relaxation is nothing. the slim the chance it may save your life or someone else's is worth it.

Perhaps to you.

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sdifox

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Biggest chance of survival is for your seat to be upright. not your survival, but the dude sitting behind you.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: waggy
you only need to do it on takeoffs and landings. the few minutes of intrusion into your relaxation is nothing. the slim the chance it may save your life or someone else's is worth it.

Perhaps to you.

yeah..ok thats retarded.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Number1

You for one are just plain stupid.

You would rather be confortable or try to improve your survival chances in a plane crash?

The seat must be retracted to allow people to bend their torso unto their lap. This is done for several reasons: There are no airbag in planes keeping you from smashing your face into the seat in front of you. Your only restrain is the lap belt, in the event of a crash your torso would be flung forward violently into the seat in front of you.
It just makes sense to adopt a position that minimises the risks to yourself and others.

The seats are not sturdily anchored to the aircraft, since doing so would weigh too much. In the event of a crash, the seats usually pile up in the front of the airplane after being ripped from their base.
 

bsobel

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Chances of surviving a plane crash is very slim to none.
So I doubt the 3 or so inches that the sean leans back is gonna make much of a difference

Statistically incorrect. Many crashes are survivable, you just hear about the 'big ones' in the news more than the ones where people are just banged up. When unloading a plane after an emergency, clear seat and aisile access is required, hence the rule.

 

nonameo

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Oh yeah
You know, I'd never been on a real airplane before
And I gotta tell ya, it was really great
Except that I had to sit between two large Albanian women with excruciatingly severe body odor
And the little kid in back of me kept throwin' up the whole time
The flight attendants ran out of Dr. Pepper and salted peanuts
And the in-flight movie was Bio-Dome with Pauly Shore
And, oh yeah, three of the airplane engines burned out
And we went into a tailspin and crashed into a hillside
And the plane exploded in a giant fireball and everybody died
Except for me
You know why?

'Cause I had my tray table up
And my seat back in the full upright position
Had my tray table up
And my seat back in the full upright position
Had my tray table up
And my seat back in the full upright position
 

LukFilm

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Originally posted by: BCYL
In case something happens, it is easier/faster for passengers to get out and evacuate the plane with all seats & tray tables up...

I asked this question a flight attendant and the answer above is what I was told to be the reason.
 

OOBradm

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Originally posted by: nonameo
Oh yeah
You know, I'd never been on a real airplane before
And I gotta tell ya, it was really great
Except that I had to sit between two large Albanian women with excruciatingly severe body odor
And the little kid in back of me kept throwin' up the whole time
The flight attendants ran out of Dr. Pepper and salted peanuts
And the in-flight movie was Bio-Dome with Pauly Shore
And, oh yeah, three of the airplane engines burned out
And we went into a tailspin and crashed into a hillside
And the plane exploded in a giant fireball and everybody died
Except for me
You know why?

'Cause I had my tray table up
And my seat back in the full upright position
Had my tray table up
And my seat back in the full upright position
Had my tray table up
And my seat back in the full upright position

You beat me to it :p

(from memory:)
so i crawled from that twisted burning wreckage
i crawled on my hands and knees for three full days
carrying along a leather suitcase and a garment bag
and a <something something> saxophone
and my lucky lucky autographed glow in the dark snorkled

but finally I arrived at the ALBERQUERCY holiday inn!

(how do you spell alberquercy?)
A (A!)
L (L!)
B (B!)
E (E!)
.......
......
.....
KERKY!!! (KERKY!!!!)
 

ZippyDan

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so if u are seated in a window seat, and not in an exit row, you should at the very least be able to keep your own tray table down, since you are only affecting your own chances of survival!

too bad i dont care about tray tables :)

 

ZippyDan

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Originally posted by: bsobel
Chances of surviving a plane crash is very slim to none.
So I doubt the 3 or so inches that the sean leans back is gonna make much of a difference

Statistically incorrect. Many crashes are survivable, you just hear about the 'big ones' in the news more than the ones where people are just banged up. When unloading a plane after an emergency, clear seat and aisile access is required, hence the rule.


i dont know if you are including small plane crashes in these statistics because i must argue against this. anytime a larger plane crashes you hear about it on the news. and i can only think of a few that crashed where people survived, whereas far more often every one dies. and im not counting "crashes" where planes lose a landing gear and skid down the runway, because i could probably survive that kind of "crash" with my seat reclined, my tray table down, and my belt unbuckled
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: Number1
It just makes sense to adopt a position that minimises the risks to yourself and others.

Your neck is also the most vulnerable part of your body next to your nads. (I love taking advice from Maxim Mag). So bending over minimizes the chance of any flying objects cutting your throat... you're also supposed to put your hands over the back of your neck to cover it entirely...

BTW, flying sucks. It is the most uncomfortable situation to be stuck in (small confined spaces) for hours on end. I don't envy anyone who has to travel for their job (not to mention the hours wasted at airports). If you can actually fall asleep while in one of those economy seats, you deserve a hand.