Why lefties fear strong women like Liz Cheney

PJABBER

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A few months ago I started seeing Liz Cheney on television.

She was always one to offer a quiet, yet powerful commentary, often on national security affairs. After all, she had a distinguished career at the State Department and her old man was probably the most powerful and influential Vice President the country has ever seen. She did not hesitate to defend the decisions made by Bush/Cheney and she clearly expressed her strong reservations on the foreign policy approaches of both Obama and Clinton.

But, as always, there was something about Liz that was setting my liberal friends in Washington off. It wasn't the usual political diatribe, it was personal.

I was soon listening to the kind of catty attack language that had been reserved for Sarah Palin.

Scattered throughout this forum are countless attacks by Democrats against Sarah Palin, the mom, the folksy backwoodser, the person. While Palin would be held up as a paragon if she were a liberal, there is something highly unsettling about a strong and beautiful conservative woman to so many here.

Is the Party of feminism a sham? Is it really that misogynistic? And why has women's liberation turned out to be women's denigration?

Why lefties fear strong women like Liz Cheney

Why lefties fear strong women like Liz Cheney

By: Noemie Emery
The Washington Examiner
October 21, 2009

Noemie Emery is a Washington journalist who writes regularly on culture and politics for the Weekly Standard and also writes for Commentary, Women's Quarterly, and National Review. Her book reviews have appeared in the Weekly Standard, National Review, the Washington Times, and the Washington Post. Emery is the author of two biographies, Washington and Alexander Hamilton: An Intimate Portrait.

For a feminist party, Democrats have a problem with women, or rather, with one certain type: Young and/or youngish, cute and/or stunning, with good hair, many children, and outspoken center-right views.

Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann (dark hair, with five children) first roused the beast, and misogynist instincts. Now there's Liz Cheney, (blond, with five children), whom they themselves have made into a star.

There she was, working away with her father on his memoir when they began to attack him, and she turned up on cable defending his record. She became a sensation, and they started to growl.

Now she's founded a Web site -- Keep America Safe -- with Bill Kristol and Debra Burlingame, (sister of the pilot whose plane hit the Pentagon) -- to critique President Obama on security issues. People began talking of "Senator Cheney." And then le merde hit the fan.

At Vanity Fair, Michael Wolff pawed through the adjective bin and came up with a handful, calling her "pernicious" and "venomous," and that was just the beginning. She was also "sour, wounded, aggrieved, graceless, paranoid ... self-pitying, doubtless, extreme, aggressive and defensive, she might literally kill you and your kind if she could."

On the other hand, MSNBC"s Chris Matthews, while calling her a "front" for Bill Kristol, found her enchanting. "A very delightful young woman," he said on his program. "She's great. You can chat with her ... nothing strange about her at all."

This freaked out Michelle Cottle, alarmed at this and at an another appearance on "Morning Joe," where the interviewers talked as if she and her father were real human beings, the sin of all sins on the left.

"Gag," she wrote on the Plank blog at The New Republic's web site, and advised them to find the "right blend of non-brutish ruthlessness" to eviscerate her without seeming to do so. "Liz Cheney is a particularly dangerous combination of sweet-as-sugar looks and savage instincts," she warned.

"Going at her roughly and directly as she does her opponents could backfire. But cutting her any slack -- or sitting by as media types coo, gurgle, and make ... goo-goo eyes at her is a good way to wind up stuck in the undercarriage of her SUV."

Actually, there is a real way to refute her, but it seems to be hard to deploy. It's to say politely, "Your ideas are mistaken," and then calmly explain how and why. In practice, however, this hasn't worked out.

In March, when Obama was still very popular, she and her father opposed him on "torture," Guantanamo Bay, and other security issues, and sent "The One" packing. By summer, she was on so many news shows that liberal bloggers attacked the programmers who gave her exposure. This is the sign she was being effective. If she were hurting her cause (or her father) they'd want her on air all the time.

Wolff (and Maureen Dowd) try to damn her by saying she's part of some dark Cheney enterprise, but the reason they loathe her isn't dear dad. She's what they fear most, a rock star with outreach, a feminine woman who isn't a feminist, a conviction politician who crosses culture lines easily, and isn't easily set up or mocked.

She's Palin-Plus (Palin, plus pedigree), who Palin would be if she had been marinated from birth in the Beltway political culture, plus a top-ranking school and a mother who was one of the first stars of "Crossfire," and minus the embarrassing ex-almost-son-in-law, the moose, and the family drama.

"Saturday Night Live" would have a hard time getting her number. She has conservative cred, but expressed in a Beltway-type patois that blue state independents do not find threatening.

She's a Palin who could tie Katie Couric in knots, a mom from McLean who could be Cottle's neighbor. Moms from McLean could be her constituents. Cottle couldn't easily explain to a non-left-wing neighbor why Cheney is "dangerous." That's why Cottle hates her, and wants her destroyed.

That's why Liz, and those like her, bring out the witch-hunting bloodlust in liberals; why "gutsy" and "tough" in a Hillary Clinton become "savage" and "rough" in a female conservative. They ought to get over this fear of strong women. It's what they told us to do.
 

jonks

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Yeah...it couldn't be her positions dems disagree with or the fact that she is an echochamber of Cheney or anything. No, we "fear" her because she's, in your estimation, attractive. So if dems disagree with a woman on the right, they must hate women.

Let's see, Gov. Jenny Granholm was a beauty pageant winner, a former Miss San Carlos, who tried to break into Hollywood. It was a no-go. So what did she do? She went to UC Berkely and got a poli-sci degree (double majored with French). Then she went to Harvard Law School, graduated with honors. Naturally the Democratic base rejected and feared her because she was attractive. Oh wait, no they didn't.

The left doesn't fear Palin or Cheney, it merely thinks they are simply wrong about almost everything, and would be very bad for the country if they got into national office. In Palin's case, her dedicated efforts to actually avoid learning anything in-depth on any issue is the most troubling aspect. She governed 'from the hip', and I prefer thoughtful leaders.

No, you're right, guess I hate women.

I won't even get into the article's mention of Michele Bachmann. That woman is certifiably insane. Really. I doubt her sanity.

The real question is why does the Republican base fear gays, blacks, other minorities, immigrants, peace activists, hollywood, the media, and just about anyone who isn't a white, conservative gun owner?
 

ahenkel

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Liz Cheney is a torture apologist who parrots her dad fuck that bitch
 

her209

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Scattered throughout this forum are countless attacks by Democrats against Sarah Palin, the mom, the folksy backwoodser, the person. While Palin would be held up as a paragon if she were a liberal, there is something highly unsettling about a strong and beautiful conservative woman to so many here.
Yeah, it has nothing to do with her ineptitude.
 

her209

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If anyone is scared of strong women, just look at this quote:

Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because Janet Reno is her father.
 

Atreus21

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For some reason, this thread reminds me of when the pope called muslims violent.
 

TruePaige

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Lefties fear strong women?

Righties fear women having rights. As long as their are barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen with no hope at a better tomorrow you 'fellas are happy.

Or did you forget the groups fighting women having the vote? The ones that still fight choice for a woman? The groups that see no reason women deserve equal pay?

This thread is a laughing matter.
 

Atreus21

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Originally posted by: TruePaige
Lefties fear strong women?

Righties fear women having rights. As long as their are barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen with no hope at a better tomorrow you 'fellas are happy.

Or did you forget the groups fighting women having the vote? The ones that still fight choice for a woman? The groups that see no reason women deserve equal pay?

This thread is a laughing matter.

Educate me. Who fought against women having the right to vote?

No one here says women don't have the right to choose; Simply not the right to kill their children.

No one here says women don't deserve equal pay. Simply equal pay for equal work.
 

TruePaige

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Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Lefties fear strong women?

Righties fear women having rights. As long as their are barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen with no hope at a better tomorrow you 'fellas are happy.

Or did you forget the groups fighting women having the vote? The ones that still fight choice for a woman? The groups that see no reason women deserve equal pay?

This thread is a laughing matter.

Educate me. Who fought against women having the right to vote?

No one here says women don't have the right to choose; Simply not the right to kill their children.

No one here says women don't deserve equal pay. Simply equal pay for equal work.

Which they aren't. Though lots of repugs would like to make you think they are so they can legislate against freedom.

The current republicany part is a quasi-genocidal, hate fueled machine.
 

DealMonkey

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Wow, you've really jumped the shark with this nonsense, jackass. Just because someone is a woman, it doesn't mean she automatically gets my respect. Especially not if her views are radically divergent from my own. How stupid ARE you PBlabber? Jesus...
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: PJABBER

Topic Title: Why lefties fear strong women like Liz Cheney

Liz Cheney isn't a "strong" woman. She's a dumb woman spewing the same dumbass shit as her father, your mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief. She can't blame it on her gender. She'd be dumb if she were a man spewing the same bullshit.

Topic Summary: Democrats have a problem: Young, cute and/or stunning, good hair, many children, and outspoken center-right views

Cute??? Stunning??? :confused:

Your taste is in your ass, along with your ethics and your morals... and hers! :thumbsdown:
 

shira

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Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: shira
Beautiful? Hardly. Attractive? Sort of.

I give her a 6.5

Maybe ten years ago. I'd say 5'ish.

And calling her center-right is roflicious. She make Margaret Thatcher look like Bono.
Oops. Yeah, you're right. I guess I had my eyes all squinty. She looks a little better from straight on, but when you get her face at any other angle, her Dick Cheney nose jumps out at you. Yech!
 

Ausm

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Originally posted by: her209
If anyone is scared of strong women, just look at this quote:

Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because Janet Reno is her father.

lmfao just spit my coffee out :D

 

Pens1566

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Strong == Parrot for daddy's views and trying to protect his legacy....


She's her dad in a skirt. There's the reason she's "feared".
 
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Why lefties fear strong women like Liz Cheney
By: Gonad the Barbarian
Anandtech Politics and News
October 22, 2009

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DukeN

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ROFL@ Janet Reno joke.

Another nutjob rightwinger, this time it's another woman.
 

Slick5150

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The threads in this forum continue to make me laugh more and more. Not because they're funny, but because it shows how idiotic extreme-partisanship (on either side) makes people like the OP.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: Slick5150
The threads in this forum continue to make me laugh more and more. Not because they're funny, but because it shows how idiotic extreme-partisanship makes people like the OP.

He's not a partisan hack. He said so.