Why isnt Hillary destroying Trump in the polls?

[ivwshane]

Maybe you should try a mouseover on the forum link before you flap your gums. They clearly need to correct one or the other.

Yeah, I didn't think you were man enough. Continue on with your bullshit kid.

 

[MongGrel]

Maybe you should try a mouseover on the forum link before you flap your gums. They clearly need to correct one or the other.

And maybe you should read the rules to begin with instead of hovering a mouse over it and trying to be an arbiter.

 

[Texashiker]

Just because Carter and Roosevelt did similar things earlier doesn't make it right. Those were mistakes, too.

And you don't need links. Trump wants to "temporarily" ban all Muslims from entering the US. That's broadly discriminatory, against the principles of the country, and horribly flawed even if you sincerely believe that simply being Muslim automatically makes someone a threat. .

Mistakes that were upheld by the supreme court? Surely the supreme court does not make mistakes,,,, right?

While I agree with you on immigration is part of this nation, with islam there is only GODs law. People coming to the USA most recognize, respect and adapt to our culture and laws. If they are not willing to do that, they should not be here.

In the US and the UK muslims are setting up their own courts to enforce Sharia law. Do you want difficult cultures following different laws?

 

[Commodus]

Also, to get back to the original subject: right now, Clinton is destroying Trump in the polls. A summary of national polls as of August 25th:

Quinnipiac: Clinton 45, Trump 38, Johnson 6, Stein 2 (without Johnson/Stein: Clinton 51, Trump 41)

Rasmussen: Clinton 42, Trump 38, Johnson 9, Stein 2

Reuters/Ipsos: Clinton 39, Trump 36, Johnson 7, Stein 3 (without Johnson/Stein: Clinton 42, Trump 35)

Economist/YouGov: Clinton 42, Trump 38, Johnson 6, Stein 4 (without Johnson/Stein: Clinton 47, Trump 44)

NBC: Clinton 43, Trump 38, Johnson 11, Stein 5

In other words, among major national polls, there isn't one where Trump wins. It may not be a complete and utter rout, but that's likely because many people will vote along party lines short of a complete disaster (Trump would have to do something so egregious that even his most fervent apologists would accept that he went too far).

 

[Commodus]

Mistakes that were upheld by the supreme court? Surely the supreme court does not make mistakes,,,, right?

While I agree with you on immigration is part of this nation, with islam there is only GODs law. People coming to the USA most recognize, respect and adapt to our culture and laws. If they are not willing to do that, they should not be here.

Yes, the court does make mistakes.

And funny, Christianity also argues that God's law supercedes all else. Let's ban all Christians from entering the country, then. After all, a handful of them bomb clinics, murder people based on their religion (or skin color), want to deprive women of freedoms and demand their religious doctrine be taught in secular schools. And since there's no difference at all between extremists and moderates, as you've just asserted, every Christian is a potential threat.

 

[Texashiker]

And funny, Christianity also argues that God's law supercedes all else.

Proof?

Jesus taught that we should follow government laws. Render unto Caesar which is Caesars.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I have an observation to make about the polls, or a handful of them -- all to suggest that there will be a bigger landslide in the election than the polls suggest.

Reputable polls are performed with unbiased sampling techniques to assure a certain level of accuracy and random selection to avoid bias. In the case of the polls of interest here, the pollsters may choose as their population to be sampled a list of "likely voters." Likely voters are people in voter registration lists who at least had voted in the previous election -- therefore, they are "likely."

Trump has little in the way of a ground organization. Only now that the GOP has provided lackluster support for his candidacy, and in fear of losing down-ballot elections, would their ground organization be useful to Trump.

Clinton, on the other hand, has a ground organization in all the states, and it is tempered and experienced in get-out-the-vote efforts. They set up pop-up tents in malls to register new voters. They arrange for rides to the polls of people with transportation problems.

Finally, there is the ongoing wave of millennials, who are more likely to favor Clinton -- according to polls. They, too, will contain new registrants.

So the polls and the spread or lead they show for Clinton over Trump may be biased downwards. The spread in the sample results may be smaller than what materializes in November. And this isn't a matter of intentional bias in polls, but only a matter of "likely voters" already registered, and voters that haven't established a record of being "likely."

In this regard, I am hopeful, only because I think this election should be a sharp, resounding repudiation of Trump, his supporters, and their toxic ideas. If Clinton only makes it by a squeaker, it is less than an adequate victory.

 

[agent00f]

In the US and the UK muslims are setting up their own courts to enforce Sharia law. Do you want difficult cultures following different laws?

Are they run from FEMA camps by obamacare death panels?

 

[Commodus]

Proof?

Jesus taught that we should follow government laws. Render unto Caesar which is Caesars.

I knew you'd bring that up.

Acts 5:29: "But Peter and the apostles answered, 'We must obey God rather than men.'"

The Bible does say that followers should obey secular law, but only when it's either not in conflict with religious doctrine or punishment for not following that doctrine. God ultimately takes precedence; if a law orders you to commit sin, you're supposed to disobey it. Hence why we get people like Kim Davis refusing to do her job, creationists lying in a bid to sneak intelligent design into education, and terrorists murdering clinic doctors and Muslims.

You see the problem? While there are theological differences between religions, portraying all Muslims as hardcore Sharia devotees is just as bad as claiming that all Christians are anti-choice, anti-science homophobes. We don't issue blanket bans on their religions because we know that the majority of their followers are either moderate or unwilling to cross that line where their views translate to violence.

 

[MongGrel]

Proof?

Jesus taught that we should follow government laws. Render unto Caesar which is Caesars.

Yeah, that is why the government at the time crucified him, literally...

Any other odd tidbits you'd care to throw out there ?

JFK even being Catholic was a bit of a thing back then. Would the Pope be running the country ?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

When you have nothing to build up the only answer is to tear down the other side. That's been the essence of Republicanism since 2008. They've done such a great job of spreading the FUD, tearing down & obstructing the govt of the people that they've destroyed their own credibility in the process, even among their base. They've sown the wind & now reap the whirlwind in the form of Trump.

He can't deliver, can't govern, simply because he's incompetent, out of his reality TV league. The party can't, either, because they're ideologically opposed to the whole idea of good government & therefore incompetent on a whole different level.

Hillary & the Democrats are none of that. We both know it. She'll do fine.

I am not on the other side, homes. And YOU actually have the gall to accuse someone of tearing down the other side when that's typical of nearly every post you make in here? Read your own words. You just called yourself out.

I merely said what those of us who aren't beholden to either side think. Both choices are shit. One is just slightly less shitty.

 

[Ackmed]

Imagine that, same people trying to insult me trolling along. So surprising.

I think this sort of false equivalence is really dangerous. Even if you think Clinton is untrustworthy and a liar, there is simply no comparing the two. Trump lies so frequently, so egregiously, and seemingly without purpose that to say he is 'no better' is ridiculous. He's much, much, much worse.

The beauty of an opinion is that you don't have to agree with me. And I don't really care if you do. Hillary has a documented history of lying since the 70's. She's lied on very important things to me. There are varying degrees of lies, not all are equal. It's astounding to me that people can support her, or him for that matter. So yes, they're both equally as bad to me. Like I've said before, for some of the same reasons, some different.

 

[MongGrel]

Imagine that, same people trying to insult me trolling along. So surprising.



The beauty of an opinion is that you don't have to agree with me. And I don't really care if you do. Hillary has a documented history of lying since the 70's. She's lied on very important things to me. There are varying degrees of lies, not all are equal. It's astounding to me that people can support her, or him for that matter. So yes, they're both equally as bad to me. Like I've said before, for some of the same reasons, some different.

So what is your solution, dissolve the US government and start from scratch ? I doubt that will happen in the near future.

I do not want Trump anywhere near the White House. Idiocracy would be in full effect.

 

[Ackmed]

So what is your solution, dissolve the US government and start from scratch ? I doubt that will happen in the near future.

I do not want Trump anywhere near the White House. Idiocracy would be in full effect.

I don't have, and never claimed to have a solution. One will win, likely Hillary. I can just hope that the next is better, and she surrounds herself with enough good people.

 

[Commodus]

Imagine that, same people trying to insult me trolling along. So surprising.

The beauty of an opinion is that you don't have to agree with me. And I don't really care if you do. Hillary has a documented history of lying since the 70's. She's lied on very important things to me. There are varying degrees of lies, not all are equal. It's astounding to me that people can support her, or him for that matter. So yes, they're both equally as bad to me. Like I've said before, for some of the same reasons, some different.

To me, even if you see the two as morally equivalent (I don't), there's one big problem with Trump: he's fundamentally incompetent. Remember that leaked conversation with a Kasich adviser where it was clear that Trump would delegate just about every real responsibility to his VP? Kasich confirmed it. When you pair that with Trump's refusal to elaborate on his plans, his numerous bankruptcies and his open contempt for free speech rights, he's frightening. You have someone who doesn't know how to run or respect government (or even private business) trying to become the most powerful person in the world.

That's enough reason to vote for Clinton alone. Is she an opportunist, with suspect connections? Yes. But at least she won't try to run the country into the ground.

 

[agent00f]

I am not on the other side, homes. And YOU actually have the gall to accuse someone of tearing down the other side when that's typical of nearly every post you make in here? Read your own words. You just called yourself out.

I merely said what those of us who aren't beholden to either side think. Both choices are shit. One is just slightly less shitty.

You can tell the less/non racist conservatives because even they think trump is somewhat worse than a clinton the devil.

Imagine that, same people trying to insult me trolling along. So surprising.

The beauty of an opinion is that you don't have to agree with me. And I don't really care if you do. Hillary has a documented history of lying since the 70's. She's lied on very important things to me. There are varying degrees of lies, not all are equal. It's astounding to me that people can support her, or him for that matter. So yes, they're both equally as bad to me. Like I've said before, for some of the same reasons, some different.

You simply don't understand how lying works: https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-michelle-obama.2480583/page-14#post-38369383

 

[Jhhnn]

Apparently because a somewhat sizable portion of Americans like the guy.

I knew a woman like that. Her taste in men was terrible. Any guy I ever saw her with was always the biggest asshole in the room. She couldn't help herself.

 

[Jhhnn]

I am not on the other side, homes. And YOU actually have the gall to accuse someone of tearing down the other side when that's typical of nearly every post you make in here? Read your own words. You just called yourself out.

I merely said what those of us who aren't beholden to either side think. Both choices are shit. One is just slightly less shitty.

You're on the side of negativity & no answers, on the side of making it about personality rather than principle. On the side of doom & gloom convinced that our best days are behind us.

I'm on the "Yes we can" side of it & we've accomplished a fair amount over the last 8 years. We'll do more with Clinton as president despite the obstacles. We have ambitions & plans to create a more perfect union & a more just more equitable society.

But you go right ahead, tell us just how miserable it is here in the greatest society ever created by the human race.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

You're on the side of negativity & no answers, on the side of making it about personality rather than principle. On the side of doom & gloom convinced that our best days are behind us.

I'm on the "Yes we can" side of it & we've accomplished a fair amount over the last 8 years. We'll do more with Clinton as president despite the obstacles. We have ambitions & plans to create a more perfect union & a more just more equitable society.

But you go right ahead, tell us just how miserable it is here in the greatest society ever created by the human race.

Negativity? What? I'm on the side of realism. You can easily see why Trump is crap but turn a blind eye to why your own candidate is crap as well. And there are no answers because there is honestly no other viable choices besides the candidate from the big 2 parties.

The side you're on is the side of the party that you clearly fervently believe in, and seem more than willing to overlook any flaws therein, in order to keep their boots looking nice and shiny. Polish those boots and keep those blinders on straight, Jhhnn. You surely wouldn't want any of that negative light leaking in. That's a good boy.

:rolleyes;

 

[Jhhnn]

Negativity? What? I'm on the side of realism. You can easily see why Trump is crap but turn a blind eye to why your own candidate is crap as well. And there are no answers because there is honestly no other viable choices besides the candidate from the big 2 parties.

The side you're on is the side of the party that you clearly fervently believe in, and seem more than willing to overlook any flaws therein, in order to keep their boots looking nice and shiny. Polish those boots and keep those blinders on straight, Jhhnn. You surely wouldn't want any of that negative light leaking in. That's a good boy.

:rolleyes;

And now, the double down into negativity with added derision. Congratulations- You merely confirm what I offered.

It's all in the attitude, like this-

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[TastesLikeChicken]

And now, the double down into negativity with added derision. Congratulations- You merely confirm what I offered.

It's all in the attitude, like this-

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Nice non-response. You can't even bring yourself to admit that Hillary is a crappy candidate only marginally better than Trump, and that's the plain truth.

That's exactly why you are nothing more than a Democratic shill with your head in the sand, Jhhnn, and this election has completely firmed up that accusation. Congrats on proving it so thoroughly and completely.

 

[ivwshane]

Nice non-response. You can't even bring yourself to admit that Hillary is a crappy candidate only marginally better than Trump, and that's the plain truth.

That's exactly why you are nothing more than a Democratic shill with your head in the sand, Jhhnn, and this election has completely firmed up that accusation. Congrats on proving it so thoroughly and completely.

She's a crappy candidate? Why? Because of all of the endless stories about her that lead to no where? Because of the endless investigations by Republicans that lead to nothing? Because of the endless scandals that turn out to be nothing?

She's a bad candidate because you've been led to believe she's a bad candidate because you aren't much of an independent thinker.

 

[compuwiz1]

Hmmm, both candidates have high unfavorables. If she was more honest and trustworthy, she would be smoking him, but the situation is, both candidates suck. Most folks don't consider her much better than him, only enough to get a few extra points in the polls. Which ever candidate looks the worse to the public, in the end, loses. Not much of a contest, not much to get excited about. Thumbs fucking down for both of them.

 

[agent00f]

Nice non-response. You can't even bring yourself to admit that Hillary is a crappy candidate only marginally better than Trump, and that's the plain truth.

That's exactly why you are nothing more than a Democratic shill with your head in the sand, Jhhnn, and this election has completely firmed up that accusation. Congrats on proving it so thoroughly and completely.

Clinton's greatest negative as a candidate is a not terribly likable personality, which is pretty important in a popularity contest, rather unlike her charismatic husband.

Humans are generally more likely to overlook character flaws in those they like, and accentuate the same in others they disfavor. In that sense she's lucky to have married into this opportunity, and twice so when the GOP put up pretty much the most unelectable clown ever.

 

[disappoint]

Couple reasons - 1, polling methodology can be all over the place. 2, she's almost as unlikeable as Trump, just for different reasons (she has that Palpatine thing going and is probably guilty of everything from treason to murder to just being a horrendous, vile woman), whereas he's more of a WWE heel).

Haha, I had to laugh at WWE heel.