Why is violence more acceptable than sex in our society (US)?

[casper114]

I like this thread...DaShen, what do you do for a living?

 

[PingSpike]

Religious groups are always morally outraged though. It must be mentally exhausting spending your whole day judging everyone.

 

[imported_Reck]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Reck
the bible is complete bull****. i can't believe so many people base their lives around it.

Said the person who never read any philosophy or religion at all to base this claim.... 😉 totally messing with you. You have a right to any opinion you want, but it still begs the question as to if it is such bv11sh!t as you claim, why does 30-35% of the world believe in it and follow its bv11sh!t practices, to feed the hungry and clothe and shelter the helpless.

30-35% of people are stupid sheep who can't think for themselves i guess.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: casper114

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Ktulu
its because our country is fat, and it makes us feel inferior to have to look at sexy people on T.V.

Seems like a valid theory:

"I'm so old and disgusting that no one wants to fvck me, therefore no one else should be able to have sex either."

I agree that's a very valid point... never thought of it like that.

Then why are most popular actors/actress attractive? If people didn't want to feel inferior we'd be looking at regular looking people on TV and in the movies, not what we see now.

I didn't say everyone complains, only the fat/unattractive/low self-esteem people.

I don't think that's true. You don't see groups like focus on the fatties protesting GTA for its sex, but religious groups didn't wait 10 seconds after Hot Coffee was revealed to say that they are "morally outraged" by a video game that's already labeled for adults.

It is silly how people act sometime. I hate religious-political groups. Seperation of Church and State is key and fundamental. Any religious-group that strives to control the general population or any religion that teaches the same should be brought down immediately.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Ktulu
its because our country is fat, and it makes us feel inferior to have to look at sexy people on T.V.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

I think there is more sense in your post above than all of the rest of this thread combined.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: casper114

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Ktulu
its because our country is fat, and it makes us feel inferior to have to look at sexy people on T.V.

Seems like a valid theory:

"I'm so old and disgusting that no one wants to fvck me, therefore no one else should be able to have sex either."

I agree that's a very valid point... never thought of it like that.

Then why are most popular actors/actress attractive? If people didn't want to feel inferior we'd be looking at regular looking people on TV and in the movies, not what we see now.

I didn't say everyone complains, only the fat/unattractive/low self-esteem people.

I don't think that's true. You don't see groups like focus on the fatties protesting GTA for its sex, but religious groups didn't wait 10 seconds after Hot Coffee was revealed to say that they are "morally outraged" by a video game that's already labeled for adults.

I see what you mean, but religious groups are actually trying to make a statement and have the means to do it. You won't find a large group of fat people getting together to protest because honestly they'd be too lazy to.

 

[PING]

Because Puritan values. it's in the history folks. orgies are no-nos. killing and drunkeness are ok.

 

[Zee]

because anyone can get into violence, not everyone can get laid 😀

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: casper114
I like this thread...DaShen, what do you do for a living?

I program, just like most of you other guys in tech.... go figure

 

[Amplifier]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
Why is violence more acceptable than sex in our society (US)?

Because of Christianity.

 

[BrokenVisage]

OMG, no one said the absolute answer to any 'Why' question yet?!

The reason why violence is more accepted then sex is, and will always be because you touch yourself at night! Now stop wacking your worm so we can see some boobies in our commercials. 😛

 

[Siva]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: casper114

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Ktulu
its because our country is fat, and it makes us feel inferior to have to look at sexy people on T.V.

Seems like a valid theory:

"I'm so old and disgusting that no one wants to fvck me, therefore no one else should be able to have sex either."

I agree that's a very valid point... never thought of it like that.

Then why are most popular actors/actress attractive? If people didn't want to feel inferior we'd be looking at regular looking people on TV and in the movies, not what we see now.

I didn't say everyone complains, only the fat/unattractive/low self-esteem people.

I don't think that's true. You don't see groups like focus on the fatties protesting GTA for its sex, but religious groups didn't wait 10 seconds after Hot Coffee was revealed to say that they are "morally outraged" by a video game that's already labeled for adults.

I see what you mean, but religious groups are actually trying to make a statement and have the means to do it. You won't find a large group of fat people getting together to protest because honestly they'd be too lazy to.

I still don't think you're right. I think ther percentage of people who are so overweight that they absolutely cannot get any is pretty low. Just because the average American is overweight doesn't mean the average American can't get laid, largely thanks to beer. Even if there were a large amount of these people its these religious who are organized and have the means to influence the politics behind censorship like you said. That is answering the original question afterall, which is who is ultimately responsible for censorship.

I think The Passion of the Christ is a perfect example of how Christian values shape what we see on TV and in film. It did amazingly at the box office yet was horrifically violent and marketed almost exclusively to Christians (and yuppies). These are the values that are profitable in our society, violence without sex, and that's what Hollywood cares about.

 

[BigToque]

Originally posted by: Reck

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Reck
the bible is complete bull****. i can't believe so many people base their lives around it.

Said the person who never read any philosophy or religion at all to base this claim.... 😉 totally messing with you. You have a right to any opinion you want, but it still begs the question as to if it is such bv11sh!t as you claim, why does 30-35% of the world believe in it and follow its bv11sh!t practices, to feed the hungry and clothe and shelter the helpless.

30-35% of people are stupid sheep who can't think for themselves i guess.

About 95% of the worlds population believes in some sort of religion.

At least you're not one of those sheep who has his own belief and disregards all others because he doesn't agree with it.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: casper114

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Ktulu
its because our country is fat, and it makes us feel inferior to have to look at sexy people on T.V.

Seems like a valid theory:

"I'm so old and disgusting that no one wants to fvck me, therefore no one else should be able to have sex either."

I agree that's a very valid point... never thought of it like that.

Then why are most popular actors/actress attractive? If people didn't want to feel inferior we'd be looking at regular looking people on TV and in the movies, not what we see now.

I didn't say everyone complains, only the fat/unattractive/low self-esteem people.

I don't think that's true. You don't see groups like focus on the fatties protesting GTA for its sex, but religious groups didn't wait 10 seconds after Hot Coffee was revealed to say that they are "morally outraged" by a video game that's already labeled for adults.

I see what you mean, but religious groups are actually trying to make a statement and have the means to do it. You won't find a large group of fat people getting together to protest because honestly they'd be too lazy to.

I still don't think you're right. I think ther percentage of people who are so overweight that they absolutely cannot get any is pretty low. Just because the average American is overweight doesn't mean the average American can't get laid, largely thanks to beer. Even if there were a large amount of these people its these religious who are organized and have the means to influence the politics behind censorship like you said. That is answering the original question afterall, which is who is ultimately responsible for censorship.

I think The Passion of the Christ is a perfect example of how Christian values shape what we see on TV and in film. It did amazingly at the box office yet was horrifically violent and marketed almost exclusively to Christians (and yuppies). These are the values that are profitable in our society, violence without sex, and that's what Hollywood cares about.

I never said fatties and fuglies couldn't get laid. I said they have hang ups about seeing more attractive people plastered everywhere they look (T.V., movies, advertising. etc....)

 

[Siva]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: casper114

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Ktulu
its because our country is fat, and it makes us feel inferior to have to look at sexy people on T.V.

Seems like a valid theory:

"I'm so old and disgusting that no one wants to fvck me, therefore no one else should be able to have sex either."

I agree that's a very valid point... never thought of it like that.

Then why are most popular actors/actress attractive? If people didn't want to feel inferior we'd be looking at regular looking people on TV and in the movies, not what we see now.

I didn't say everyone complains, only the fat/unattractive/low self-esteem people.

I don't think that's true. You don't see groups like focus on the fatties protesting GTA for its sex, but religious groups didn't wait 10 seconds after Hot Coffee was revealed to say that they are "morally outraged" by a video game that's already labeled for adults.

I see what you mean, but religious groups are actually trying to make a statement and have the means to do it. You won't find a large group of fat people getting together to protest because honestly they'd be too lazy to.

I still don't think you're right. I think ther percentage of people who are so overweight that they absolutely cannot get any is pretty low. Just because the average American is overweight doesn't mean the average American can't get laid, largely thanks to beer. Even if there were a large amount of these people its these religious who are organized and have the means to influence the politics behind censorship like you said. That is answering the original question afterall, which is who is ultimately responsible for censorship.

I think The Passion of the Christ is a perfect example of how Christian values shape what we see on TV and in film. It did amazingly at the box office yet was horrifically violent and marketed almost exclusively to Christians (and yuppies). These are the values that are profitable in our society, violence without sex, and that's what Hollywood cares about.

I never said fatties and fuglies couldn't get laid. I said they have hang ups about seeing more attractive people plastered everywhere they look (T.V., movies, advertising. etc....)

Even so, I think that's simply conjecture, what do you have to support it?

 

[0roo0roo]

sex = hell
violence = ridding unbelievers

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: casper114

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Ktulu
its because our country is fat, and it makes us feel inferior to have to look at sexy people on T.V.

Seems like a valid theory:

"I'm so old and disgusting that no one wants to fvck me, therefore no one else should be able to have sex either."

I agree that's a very valid point... never thought of it like that.

Then why are most popular actors/actress attractive? If people didn't want to feel inferior we'd be looking at regular looking people on TV and in the movies, not what we see now.

I didn't say everyone complains, only the fat/unattractive/low self-esteem people.

I don't think that's true. You don't see groups like focus on the fatties protesting GTA for its sex, but religious groups didn't wait 10 seconds after Hot Coffee was revealed to say that they are "morally outraged" by a video game that's already labeled for adults.

I see what you mean, but religious groups are actually trying to make a statement and have the means to do it. You won't find a large group of fat people getting together to protest because honestly they'd be too lazy to.

I still don't think you're right. I think ther percentage of people who are so overweight that they absolutely cannot get any is pretty low. Just because the average American is overweight doesn't mean the average American can't get laid, largely thanks to beer. Even if there were a large amount of these people its these religious who are organized and have the means to influence the politics behind censorship like you said. That is answering the original question afterall, which is who is ultimately responsible for censorship.

I think The Passion of the Christ is a perfect example of how Christian values shape what we see on TV and in film. It did amazingly at the box office yet was horrifically violent and marketed almost exclusively to Christians (and yuppies). These are the values that are profitable in our society, violence without sex, and that's what Hollywood cares about.

But why do the Christians hold sexuality to be that much worse than killing and excessive violence, when they consider both to be serious sins?

I'm not disagreeing with you, just wondering why they claim both are equally bad, yet seem to make a much bigger uproar about the sexual content of games, movies, tv, etc.

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: casper114

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Ktulu
its because our country is fat, and it makes us feel inferior to have to look at sexy people on T.V.

Seems like a valid theory:

"I'm so old and disgusting that no one wants to fvck me, therefore no one else should be able to have sex either."

I agree that's a very valid point... never thought of it like that.

Then why are most popular actors/actress attractive? If people didn't want to feel inferior we'd be looking at regular looking people on TV and in the movies, not what we see now.

I didn't say everyone complains, only the fat/unattractive/low self-esteem people.

I don't think that's true. You don't see groups like focus on the fatties protesting GTA for its sex, but religious groups didn't wait 10 seconds after Hot Coffee was revealed to say that they are "morally outraged" by a video game that's already labeled for adults.

I see what you mean, but religious groups are actually trying to make a statement and have the means to do it. You won't find a large group of fat people getting together to protest because honestly they'd be too lazy to.

I still don't think you're right. I think ther percentage of people who are so overweight that they absolutely cannot get any is pretty low. Just because the average American is overweight doesn't mean the average American can't get laid, largely thanks to beer. Even if there were a large amount of these people its these religious who are organized and have the means to influence the politics behind censorship like you said. That is answering the original question afterall, which is who is ultimately responsible for censorship.

I think The Passion of the Christ is a perfect example of how Christian values shape what we see on TV and in film. It did amazingly at the box office yet was horrifically violent and marketed almost exclusively to Christians (and yuppies). These are the values that are profitable in our society, violence without sex, and that's what Hollywood cares about.

I never said fatties and fuglies couldn't get laid. I said they have hang ups about seeing more attractive people plastered everywhere they look (T.V., movies, advertising. etc....)

The fatties/fuglies may have hang ups about it, but that doesn't seem to be decreasing it's frequency of appearance, only how harshly it gets rated.

It's not that the content (sex/nudity) isn't as prevalent as violence, it just seems to be judged (in the form of movie/game ratings) much more harshly than the violence. If an extremely violent movie is made, it gets an R rating. If a movie with lots of graphic sex is made, it gets NC-17 or is just classified as porn.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: casper114

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Ktulu
its because our country is fat, and it makes us feel inferior to have to look at sexy people on T.V.

Seems like a valid theory:

"I'm so old and disgusting that no one wants to fvck me, therefore no one else should be able to have sex either."

I agree that's a very valid point... never thought of it like that.

Then why are most popular actors/actress attractive? If people didn't want to feel inferior we'd be looking at regular looking people on TV and in the movies, not what we see now.

I didn't say everyone complains, only the fat/unattractive/low self-esteem people.

I don't think that's true. You don't see groups like focus on the fatties protesting GTA for its sex, but religious groups didn't wait 10 seconds after Hot Coffee was revealed to say that they are "morally outraged" by a video game that's already labeled for adults.

It is silly how people act sometime. I hate religious-political groups. Seperation of Church and State is key and fundamental. Any religious-group that strives to control the general population or any religion that teaches the same should be brought down immediately.

But that is what religion is all about: control. It is about "I am right and you are wrong, and I am going to tell you how you should act, how you should behave, what you can wear, etc." People love to enforce their own sexual morality on everyone else, possibly because the ability to do so builds a sense of importance.

 

[Siva]

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: casper114

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Ktulu
its because our country is fat, and it makes us feel inferior to have to look at sexy people on T.V.

Seems like a valid theory:

"I'm so old and disgusting that no one wants to fvck me, therefore no one else should be able to have sex either."

I agree that's a very valid point... never thought of it like that.

Then why are most popular actors/actress attractive? If people didn't want to feel inferior we'd be looking at regular looking people on TV and in the movies, not what we see now.

I didn't say everyone complains, only the fat/unattractive/low self-esteem people.

I don't think that's true. You don't see groups like focus on the fatties protesting GTA for its sex, but religious groups didn't wait 10 seconds after Hot Coffee was revealed to say that they are "morally outraged" by a video game that's already labeled for adults.

I see what you mean, but religious groups are actually trying to make a statement and have the means to do it. You won't find a large group of fat people getting together to protest because honestly they'd be too lazy to.

I still don't think you're right. I think ther percentage of people who are so overweight that they absolutely cannot get any is pretty low. Just because the average American is overweight doesn't mean the average American can't get laid, largely thanks to beer. Even if there were a large amount of these people its these religious who are organized and have the means to influence the politics behind censorship like you said. That is answering the original question afterall, which is who is ultimately responsible for censorship.

I think The Passion of the Christ is a perfect example of how Christian values shape what we see on TV and in film. It did amazingly at the box office yet was horrifically violent and marketed almost exclusively to Christians (and yuppies). These are the values that are profitable in our society, violence without sex, and that's what Hollywood cares about.

But why do the Christians hold sexuality to be that much worse than killing and excessive violence, when they consider both to be serious sins?

I'm not disagreeing with you, just wondering why they claim both are equally bad, yet seem to make a much bigger uproar about the sexual content of games, movies, tv, etc.

I think it could be one of two things. People are generally uncomfortable viewing sex as a moral thing. This is fine for most people, but Christians believe anything that anything that's immoral cannot be portrayed in the media. Violence can be for good depending on one's point of view, things like war and defending oneself are certainly not immoral. Because of this, those who values these morals aren't uncomfortable with the basic idea of violence the way they are with the idea of sex.

That or its the Bible. The Bible says things like "love thy neighbor as thyself" and "turn the other cheek" during the Jesus era, but at the same time wars rage and plenty of the "heros" also end up either killing or dying violently. It very rarely portrays violence as truly sinful. Jesus was a peaceful man and provided what I think should be the true outlook for a Christian (yet has been forgotten or corrupted by popular ignorance over the years) but he never took a stance against violence, he just never participated in it. However sex gets a whole lot of negative stigma in the Bible. Especially Deuteronomy, where the basic outlines of "good behavior" are laid down.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
But that is what religion is all about: control. It is about "I am right and you are wrong, and I am going to tell you how you should act, how you should behave, what you can wear, etc." People love to enforce their own sexual morality on everyone else, possibly because the ability to do so builds a sense of importance.

No, that is what you and some perceive as religion. Religion is more about one's self. Finding right and wrong within yourself. Finding truth and true happiness within yourself.

Don't knock religion because of it's said followers.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Siva
That or its the Bible. The Bible says things like "love thy neighbor as thyself" and "turn the other cheek" during the Jesus era, but at the same time wars rage and plenty of the "heros" also end up either killing or dying violently. It very rarely portrays violence as truly sinful. Jesus was a peaceful man and provided what I think should be the true outlook for a Christian (yet has been forgotten or corrupted by popular ignorance over the years) but he never took a stance against violence, he just never participated in it. However sex gets a whole lot of negative stigma in the Bible. Especially Deuteronomy, where the basic outlines of "good behavior" are laid down.

Don't forget the story in which he stopped a crowd from stoning a woman to death. Nor the extreme violence of his own death.

 

[Siva]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Siva
That or its the Bible. The Bible says things like "love thy neighbor as thyself" and "turn the other cheek" during the Jesus era, but at the same time wars rage and plenty of the "heros" also end up either killing or dying violently. It very rarely portrays violence as truly sinful. Jesus was a peaceful man and provided what I think should be the true outlook for a Christian (yet has been forgotten or corrupted by popular ignorance over the years) but he never took a stance against violence, he just never participated in it. However sex gets a whole lot of negative stigma in the Bible. Especially Deuteronomy, where the basic outlines of "good behavior" are laid down.

Don't forget the story in which he stopped a crowd from stoning a woman to death. Nor the extreme violence of his own death.

Good point, still the gospels aren't the kidns of texts that ministers and preists like to pull their burn in hell material from. That's the stuff that your average Christian ends up thinking is immoral. Jesus wasn't the biggest moralist in most cases, unfortunately most Christians don't pick that up from him.

 

[NTB]

I'll go with the religous argument: My ex-girlfriend was not a terribly religous person, but her mother was; she told her own daughter on several occasions that she would go to hell for doing the horizontal bop before she got married :|

Not that that stopped her 😉

Nate

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Siva

Originally posted by: casper114

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Ktulu
its because our country is fat, and it makes us feel inferior to have to look at sexy people on T.V.

Seems like a valid theory:

"I'm so old and disgusting that no one wants to fvck me, therefore no one else should be able to have sex either."

I agree that's a very valid point... never thought of it like that.

Then why are most popular actors/actress attractive? If people didn't want to feel inferior we'd be looking at regular looking people on TV and in the movies, not what we see now.

I didn't say everyone complains, only the fat/unattractive/low self-esteem people.

I don't think that's true. You don't see groups like focus on the fatties protesting GTA for its sex, but religious groups didn't wait 10 seconds after Hot Coffee was revealed to say that they are "morally outraged" by a video game that's already labeled for adults.

It is silly how people act sometime. I hate religious-political groups. Seperation of Church and State is key and fundamental. Any religious-group that strives to control the general population or any religion that teaches the same should be brought down immediately.

But that is what religion is all about: control. It is about "I am right and you are wrong, and I am going to tell you how you should act, how you should behave, what you can wear, etc." People love to enforce their own sexual morality on everyone else, possibly because the ability to do so builds a sense of importance.

I agree partially. A lot of people see religion this way and so it propogates the idea of elitism in the way they treat others. There is nothing wrong with believeing that your "faith" is the only right way (if that is what you put your "faith" in then what is wrong with it, this belief doesn't neccessarily hurt anyone). It is when you see yourself as better than others that you run into trouble. And, it is when you force your belief on others when it becomes an issue of being screwed up. Talking about it with someone is not forcing your morality down there throat, but trying to force your morality through political means is screwed up any way you put it IMHO. Even though people enjoy enforcing there belief system on others, not through persuasion but through force, that doesn't make it right.

Some morals are general enough that they must be instituted in society to establish a stable society. For example: Murdering is wrong because of the way it destabalizes a society. Same with stealing. This is not a black & white issue because you can argue that things like violent or sexually explcit stuff can destabalize society. But when the issue isn't apparrently hurting society, then it should not be instituted as a law.