I think the U.S. was because the murders it committed weren't necessary. However, we can agree to disagree
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I think the U.S. was because the murders it committed weren't necessary. However, we can agree to disagree
How do you define murders?
What would have been the options to the US & Allies w/ respect to ending the war.
Accept the Japanese terms? Why? The winner dictates terms to the loser; not the other way around. Especially when the loser was the one to pick the fight.
They wanted to retain the Emperor as a figure head. The US may have been willing and ended up doing so; but that was our choice, not theirs.
Japan was told what they had to do to stop the fighting and they initially refused.
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Yes it was. If anything, it was even worse because it's condoned by so many people and the U.S. government still teaches that it was the right thing to do in its schools. In addition to that, you never heard Japanese people asking for reparations and the Emperor as well as the Japanese people were very civil to Americans before his death. The U.S. still won't quit occupying their lands. The reason it's worse is because it's lead to an acceptance of total war. ---
No we were not trying to wipe out a whole race of people!! We were trying to stop a war that would have gone on for many more years.
What you fail to understand is that the word surrender was not in their vocabulary -- yet when confronted with such a weapon as the A bomb they did surrender! Most likely sparing may more Japanese and American lives than the were killed by the use of the A bomb!!
I'm sure they want us to leave. They were unhappy when American servicemen were raping Japanese civilians. There are more rapes committed by agents of the American state against Japanese people than there have been by Japanese people. That says a lot about how bad the American state is IMO.
One of the reasons Truman murdered so many of them was so that they'd submit to the American state staying there. --
Truman never murdered anybody!!!
Part of the terms of surrender were for the American state to leave completely. -- thats just not true!! The losing side has nothing to say about the terms of surrender. You don`t treat the losing side as equals!! They lost!
Truman was not willing to accept that, --
Why should we let them surrender under their terms??
, so he murdered not only at least a million Japanese people, he murdered some American POWs and he knew that some were going to be killed before dropping the bombs. In addition, you're making the erroneous assumption that the Japanese Army would've come onto the continental U.S. and started killing American civilians if our military just packed up and left.
--- You have no clue and niether do we what would have happenned if we just packed up and left. But I will tell you that personally if it was me I would have tried my best to acquire the technology for the bomb and use it against America...
It's an erroneous assumption because the Japanese didn't have the resources to do so after the murderous firebombs. Even if they did, the Emperor said that american civilians had too many resources for him to feel safe having his army launch an attack on the American continent. -- smart man!!
Finally, civilian lives are worth more than military lives.-- thats the most idiot and rediculous statement I have ever read in these forums!!
You wonder why people laugh at Ron Paul supporters....
No we were not trying to wipe out a whole race of people!! We were trying to stop a war that would have gone on for many more years.
What you fail to understand is that the word surrender was not in their vocabulary -- yet when confronted with such a weapon as the A bomb they did surrender! Most likely sparing may more Japanese and American lives than the were killed by the use of the A bomb!!
I'm sure they want us to leave. They were unhappy when American servicemen were raping Japanese civilians. There are more rapes committed by agents of the American state against Japanese people than there have been by Japanese people. That says a lot about how bad the American state is IMO.
One of the reasons Truman murdered so many of them was so that they'd submit to the American state staying there. --
Truman never murdered anybody!!!
Part of the terms of surrender were for the American state to leave completely. -- thats just not true!! The losing side has nothing to say about the terms of surrender. You don`t treat the losing side as equals!! They lost!
Truman was not willing to accept that, --
Why should we let them surrender under their terms??
, so he murdered not only at least a million Japanese people, he murdered some American POWs and he knew that some were going to be killed before dropping the bombs. In addition, you're making the erroneous assumption that the Japanese Army would've come onto the continental U.S. and started killing American civilians if our military just packed up and left.
--- You have no clue and niether do we what would have happenned if we just packed up and left. But I will tell you that personally if it was me I would have tried my best to acquire the technology for the bomb and use it against America...
It's an erroneous assumption because the Japanese didn't have the resources to do so after the murderous firebombs. Even if they did, the Emperor said that american civilians had too many resources for him to feel safe having his army launch an attack on the American continent. -- smart man!!
Finally, civilian lives are worth more than military lives.-- thats the most idiot and rediculous statement I have ever read in these forums!!
You wonder why people laugh at Ron Paul supporters....
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I don't know if I can achieve the goal for National Impaired Driving Month , but i'll do my best.
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i think what he really means is "Just as the title of the thread says, why do we have a holocaust remembrance day" given that the leuchter report scientifically proved it couldnt have occurred?
OBLAMA2009
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uh, the u.s. deliberately dropped nuclear bombs in the middle of a civilian city, causing generations of misery in a few seconds.it would have to rank as the most barbaric act in the history of the world
The Holocaust was the worst genocide in history. Those who carried it out methodically created the means to efficiently round up and kill millions of people. The Holocaust led to the establishment of international laws against human rights violations.
Jews were not the only victims of the Nazis during World War II. The Nazis also imprisoned and killed people who opposed their regime on grounds of ideology; Roma (Gypsies); Germans who were mentally impaired or physically disabled; homosexuals; and captured Soviet soldiers.
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Why have a Holocaust day? If you are not Jewish, it’s more difficult to understand. Jews like to remember each war, whether won or lost. Many of our holidays Chanukah, Purim and others are just remembrances from those battles. Even though myself Jewish and growing up with catch phrases such as ‘Let my people go’ or ‘Never again’ it does get old. I don’t feel it a great way to raise children. As one person posted a long calendar list of various remembrances and holidays. Heck, if we start including all the battles won and lost we will be either celebrating or mourning something pretty much every day of the year!
Some people accept the fact that war is war. There are no specific rules when going to war. How a dictator or president decides to wage, continue, or win a war is up to him. What would have happened if Hitler had not spent the time, energy, resources, personnel, and money (during a time of war) on killing 10 or 12 million people? What would those total resources (including these people) have otherwise done FOR Germany? What scientific knowledge would Germany have gained if he harnessed the knowledge instead of destroyed it?
Albert Einstein as born in Germany in 1879 and won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1921. He was a professor at the Berlin Academy of Sciences. Einstein was visiting the US in 1933 when Hitler came to power and did not return to Germany instead becoming a US citizen in 1940. He informed Roosevelt that Germany might be developing an atomic weapon and this is what led to the Manhattan Project. Had Einstein returned to Germany, it’s likely either Einstein would have gone to a concentration camp or his knowledge would have been used to make Germany an atomic weapon.
Some people accept the fact that war is war. There are no specific rules when going to war. How a dictator or president decides to wage, continue, or win a war is up to him. What would have happened if Hitler had not spent the time, energy, resources, personnel, and money (during a time of war) on killing 10 or 12 million people? What would those total resources (including these people) have otherwise done FOR Germany? What scientific knowledge would Germany have gained if he harnessed the knowledge instead of destroyed it?
Albert Einstein as born in Germany in 1879 and won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1921. He was a professor at the Berlin Academy of Sciences. Einstein was visiting the US in 1933 when Hitler came to power and did not return to Germany instead becoming a US citizen in 1940. He informed Roosevelt that Germany might be developing an atomic weapon and this is what led to the Manhattan Project. Had Einstein returned to Germany, it’s likely either Einstein would have gone to a concentration camp or his knowledge would have been used to make Germany an atomic weapon.
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OP: It sounds like you are asking why some holocausts/genocides remembered while others are ignored and/or glossed over. It's an important question that not enough people bother to ask.
For a well-written and well-referenced discussion of why some holocausts/genocides receive immense attention while others tend to be glossed-over in American culture and education, check out this book the topic -- particularly the first two chapters (pp 19-80) and the last two chapters (pp 363-444). If you only read one chapter, the most crucial portion is chapter 2 (pp 63-80). But really the whole book may knock your socks off as it did mine. It's probably the quickest 450 pages I've ever read.
A Little Matter of Genocide
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Boo...=sts=t&tn=a+little+matter+of+genocide&x=0&y=0
http://books.google.ca/books?id=QXRyTRavzK4C&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
For a well-written and well-referenced discussion of why some holocausts/genocides receive immense attention while others tend to be glossed-over in American culture and education, check out this book the topic -- particularly the first two chapters (pp 19-80) and the last two chapters (pp 363-444). If you only read one chapter, the most crucial portion is chapter 2 (pp 63-80). But really the whole book may knock your socks off as it did mine. It's probably the quickest 450 pages I've ever read.
A Little Matter of Genocide
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Boo...=sts=t&tn=a+little+matter+of+genocide&x=0&y=0
http://books.google.ca/books?id=QXRyTRavzK4C&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
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Because Jews are a protected species.
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How many Native Americans were the target of a deliberate US strategy aimed at their elimination?
This is an honest question. Googling has produced a whole lot of factors which contributed to their population decline over the past 500 years, with a whole lot of debate over its overall cause.
More and more, however, I see some people's ultimate reasoning to be that the root cause was the creation of America in general.
This is an honest question. Googling has produced a whole lot of factors which contributed to their population decline over the past 500 years, with a whole lot of debate over its overall cause.
More and more, however, I see some people's ultimate reasoning to be that the root cause was the creation of America in general.
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