Why is the U.S. moving toward socialism when the rest of the world is moving as rapidly to the right?

[PJABBER]

I'll contribute another OT reference for all of those who really, really care about the German medical insurance system -

The German Health Care System

Enjoy!

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
How in the FUCK can you not understand what i am writing?

I spelled it out for you so clearly that no doubt could possibly be had and yet you don't get it?

AGAIN, for your seriously retarded dumb arse, there are private practices but they are not the same as a hospital, they are there for health care (they have two different kinds, health care and sick care, health care is dealing with low cost healthy patients who might get a recommendation at a checkup or such but they do not do treatments beyond non-perscription medication) and the hospitals deal with everything, if you have insurance and need an operation, well guess the fuck what, your insurance doesn't matter, if you need a CT scan, your insurance doesn't matter, if you need any kind of proper medical tratment your insurance doesn't matter.

It's free for all through a single payer system at that point.

Are we fucking clear?

hey ebadass how can i make it clear? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PRIVATE PRACTICES.

i'm talking about the .gov ridiculously regulated system but there are OVER 200 various sickness funds/claims organizations you can belong to. the claims organizations themselves collect the premiums and pay claims. THAT IS NOT SINGLE PAYER.

again, the question is whether germany has a single payer system. that is a system where a single entity pays all insured claims. germany, having OVER 200 non-profit sickness funds, DOES NOT HAVE SINGLE PAYER.

your characterization of the private system is wrong too. it's not entirely a system sitting on top of the sickness funds like you seem to believe, but also a parallel system. civil servants can't join the sickness funds, so for them it has to be parallel. people making enough money can completely opt out of the sickness funds (though, as of 2009, they must purchase insurance), and for them as well it's parallel. and privately insured patients that aren't members in the sickness funds can go to the hospitals.

 

[Phokus]

Why is the US moving to "socialism" (lol you actually believe that)?

Maybe because they see things like this where China dismantled their government supported universal healthcare and let a market based heatlhcare system take over that effectively sent much of their population into poverty (many can't even get healthcare now). You have to be a retard to believe a market based approach to healthcare is still a good idea when there's so much evidence that it's a complete failure.

Byline: OLGA PIERCE

WASHINGTON, April 10 (UPI) -- Pressing healthcare problems are on the rise just as the Chinese healthcare system is reaching its weakest point in recent history, experts said Tuesday.

The country's ability to shore up its healthcare safety net could have a dramatic impact on China and the rest of the world.

"The current Chinese system has all the downsides of an almost unregulated market in the presence of considerable poverty," said David Blumenthal, director of the Institute for Health Policy at Massachusetts General Hospital.

"That makes the expenses people have to pay tremendously damaging to the health and economic health of the country," he told United Press International.

After decades of significant health and life-expectancy gains, the Chinese government has effectively dismantled its system of universal basic care. In its place is a market-based system where roughly half of urban dwellers have employer-based coverage. Rural areas have been largely left behind: about four in five rural Chinese are uninsured.

For the uninsured in China, access to healthcare is nowhere near guaranteed. Healthcare costs are 40 times higher than they were in the early 1980s, but 58 percent is financed by individual out-of-pocket payments.

http://www.accessmylibrary.com...mary_0286-30279992_ITM

 

[idiotekniQues]

the right-wingers being successful in that article are still more liberal than our democrats.

so you should put that in context