Why is the PLL integrated onto the chipset now?

[Avalon]

I've read AT's review, and am thoroughly disappointed to see that FSB/BCLK overclocking is virtually dead, as far as Intel's latest platform is concerned. And, I want to know why.

Anand hinted at integration, but I really want to know more. Does anyone out there have any additional information as to why this came about?

 

[IntelUser2000]

On mobile and OEM systems, the clock generator integration saves BOM.

 

[aigomorla]

I've read AT's review, and am thoroughly disappointed to see that FSB/BCLK overclocking is virtually dead, as far as Intel's latest platform is concerned. And, I want to know why.

cuz intel wants you to spend 300 dollars on a X68, and another 300-1000 dollars on a LGA2011 cpu. :thumbsup:

Must we go over this topic again and again?

 

[Avalon]

@aigo - I haven't seen a topic like mine. Please show the same respect that I hold for you.

I'm definitely not interested in the high end. On the other hand, I'm not used to not having an option in the mid range ($150-175). My only choice now is to wait for a sale.

@IntelUser - Is the clock generator that expensive a part/on materials that Intel felt the need for it to be the next thing integrated onto a chipset? I kind of find that hard to believe, but I understand you know more than I do on the subject.

 

[frostedflakes]

Well higher integration is the direction everything is moving. It's the reason all your electronic devices have become smaller and more affordable over the years.

But I also can't help but think Intel has ulterior motives for this. Really is a great way for them to kill overclocking, or at least kill overclocking that is out of their control and make you buy their more expensive, unlocked multi chips if you want to overclock.

 

[Daemas]

Personally, I trust Intel more that motherboard manufacturers. Intel's solutions always work better (which isn't surprising to say the least, due to their outrageous amounts of intellectual properties and research budgets). Hopefully for ivy bridge they find a way to move even more stuff on die (fingers crossed for south bridge with haswell). Then they could drop DMI and just use PCIe for everything. Wouldn't hurt for them to also drop IDE, Floppy, PS/2, VGA/DVI, and firewire either. :/ That would really drop the cost of BOM for OEMs and motherboard manufacturers.

 

[Avalon]

But I also can't help but think Intel has ulterior motives for this. Really is a great way for them to kill overclocking, or at least kill overclocking that is out of their control and make you buy their more expensive, unlocked multi chips if you want to overclock.

Maybe, but we've been told that overclockers are a fraction of a percent of the market, so it makes me wonder why they would care.

 

[ilkhan]

Aside from bClock OCing (which people have been free loading off of for a long time) I just wonder why people care.

 

[Daemas]

Aside from bClock OCing (which people have been free loading off of for a long time) I just wonder why people care.

Not to mention the fact that the non K series chips still have the ability to overclock. The 2300 can hit 3.4, 2400 3.8, 2500 4.1, and the 2600 4.2. The K series chips can go to 5.7.

 

[Red Storm]

Aside from bClock OCing (which people have been free loading off of for a long time) I just wonder why people care.

You mean aside from saving money?

 

[ilkhan]

You mean aside from saving money?

You buy a 2390 or whatever and you get exactly what you pay for. Overclocking isn't guaranteed OR supported. Performance costs money; pay up or shut up.

 

[aigomorla]

I'm definitely not interested in the high end. On the other hand, I'm not used to not having an option in the mid range ($150-175). My only choice now is to wait for a sale.

however intel said you can not have for what you dont pay.

And on LGA2011 u will have Bclk overclocking, and unlocked pci ratios.

So its back to my first comment.

Intel said no you cant have unless you pay. :whiste:

 

[frostedflakes]

Maybe, but we've been told that overclockers are a fraction of a percent of the market, so it makes me wonder why they would care.

Overclockers/enthusiasts are a relatively small portion of the market, but what the market lacks in size it makes up for in margins. These are the people that go out and spend $300, or even up to $1000, on a CPU that probably cost Intel $25 to make.

 

[Avalon]

@ilkhan - It isn't about being a jew. It's fun.

@aigo - I just can't sink $600 into getting BCLK overclocking back at this time, I am getting married in a month :\ (face for not having the money, not because I'm getting married )

 

[jimhsu]

Just wondering. If Intel only releases the K parts at their current prices, and simply didn't bother developing any non-K parts, would people still complain? I suspect that people would be screaming how much of a bargain it is (compared to existing solutions) and how Intel loves overclockers (by introducing a previously 1K part @ $300).

Funny how the existence of lower-priced non-K parts flips that whole equation around.

 

[Castiel]

@aigo - I just can't sink $600 into getting BCLK overclocking back at this time, I am getting married in a month :\ (face for not having the money, not because I'm getting married )

She spend it all already?

 

[BBMW]

And do you think that the 2011 cpus won't have the clock on the chip also? I have a strong feeling this is a permanent thing going forward. All their CPUs from now on with have integrated clocks.

Really, I'm surprised they waited this long to take control of overclocking. From now on, they'll let you do it, but you're going to have to pay for the priviledge.

cuz intel wants you to spend 300 dollars on a X68, and another 300-1000 dollars on a LGA2011 cpu. :thumbsup:

Must we go over this topic again and again?

 

[maniac5999]

Wouldn't hurt for them to also drop IDE, Floppy, PS/2, VGA/DVI, and firewire either. :/ That would really drop the cost of BOM for OEMs and motherboard manufacturers.

Lose PS/2?!?!?!? BLASPHEMY! You're going to have to Pry my IBM Model M keyboard from my cold dead hands.

 

[Castiel]

The 2300 can hit 3.4, 2400 3.8, 2500 4.1, and the 2600 4.2. The K series chips can go to 5.7.

Link to where you read that

 

[exar333]

Link to where you read that

The AT SB review has this chart...

 

[ilkhan]

Link to where you read that

The chips with turbo can all be OCed by +400Mhz for each bin, thus the number he gave. The only chips that can't move at all are the no-turbo cheapy i3s. Its still multi overclocking and instead of FSB OC.

 

[Castiel]

Im not sure why they don't release a K I3. Would be awesome

 

[Concillian]

Lose PS/2?!?!?!? BLASPHEMY! You're going to have to Pry my IBM Model M keyboard from my cold dead hands.

USB to PS/2 adapters are like $5. Check on amazon, there are even ones that have reviews from Model M users.

It's time for PS/2 to die. It's held on longer than floppies did.

 

[Avalon]

She spend it all already?

Yeah, too much clothes

An i3 K series would be interesting, but I don't think it fits Intel's strategy.