Why is the Mazda Rx-8's "suicide doors" considered unique?

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sniperruff

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Originally posted by: RiDE
Originally posted by: Syringer
Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Because its a sports coupe.

Still not unique. The Saturn SC series and the Ion Coupe are both "sporty" coupes. The Ion Redline coupe is easly as fast as the RX-8.
The Ion is not even remotely in the same class as the RX-8.

It's still a sports coupe, right?

FWD != sports car. Even if the marketing people try to tell you otherwise.

Sports car != sports coupe = RSX, Celica

Do you honestly think an RSX, Celica, or an Ion is in the same class as the RX-8? Do you honestly think people are cross shopping an RX-8 with those cars?

the integra-R is faster than the RX8. sure why not.
 

adwilk

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the RSX is not a sports car... ask any enthusiast... the Type S is a stretch... maybe some could argue that the RX-8 isnt but, Acura has its NSX and the RX-8 is mazda's car for someone wanting a "sports car". I know its all based interpretation, but lets get serious... Saturns are NOT sports cars... if you argue that you're just picking a fight... have fun getting your teeth kicked in... far too many arguments against ya here...
 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: RiDE
Originally posted by: Syringer
Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Because its a sports coupe.

Still not unique. The Saturn SC series and the Ion Coupe are both "sporty" coupes. The Ion Redline coupe is easly as fast as the RX-8.
The Ion is not even remotely in the same class as the RX-8.

It's still a sports coupe, right?

FWD != sports car. Even if the marketing people try to tell you otherwise.

Sports car != sports coupe = RSX, Celica

Do you honestly think an RSX, Celica, or an Ion is in the same class as the RX-8? Do you honestly think people are cross shopping an RX-8 with those cars?

If I had been willing to pay $25k-30k for a car, I would have. The suicide doors make the car very tempting to a guy with kids who wants a fast car.
 

Syringer

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Originally posted by: RiDE
Originally posted by: Syringer
Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Because its a sports coupe.

Still not unique. The Saturn SC series and the Ion Coupe are both "sporty" coupes. The Ion Redline coupe is easly as fast as the RX-8.
The Ion is not even remotely in the same class as the RX-8.

It's still a sports coupe, right?

FWD != sports car. Even if the marketing people try to tell you otherwise.

Sports car != sports coupe = RSX, Celica

Do you honestly think an RSX, Celica, or an Ion is in the same class as the RX-8? Do you honestly think people are cross shopping an RX-8 with those cars?

Why not? They're compact, tossable import cars in the same price range. RSX-S has 200 hp, is a good deal lighter than the RX-8 comes only with a 6-spd manual transmission and has a fairly sporty suspension..it's definitely intended for sport purposes.

In any case, you can't argue that the RSX is not defined as a sport coupe..
 

Ktulu

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wow, this discussion has nothing to do with the "suicide doors" now
 

adwilk

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Speed is not the only thing you look for in a sports car... I bought and Rx-8 and was looking at WRX STI, 350Z, GTO, stuff like that, there has to be some sense of luxury to count... right? my brothers civic crx running 22 lbs of boost will smoke all the cars i mentioned but it is a far cry from being a sports car... hell my Turbo Deisel truck can outrun some of the cars mentioned here....
 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: adwilk
Speed is not the only thing you look for in a sports car... I bought and Rx-8 and was looking at WRX STI, 350Z, GTO, stuff like that, there has to be some sense of luxury to count... right? my brothers civic crx running 22 lbs of boost will smoke all the cars i mentioned but it is a far cry from being a sports car... hell my Turbo Deisel truck can outrun some of the cars mentioned here....

wow, if i owned an Ion Redline, or a Cobalt SS. i would honestly take you up on any track and race you.

there are 3 "boy" racer cars that CANT be talked down. the list follows in order of worst to best:

Ion Redline
Cobalt SS
SRT-4

yes, you heard me, i will say those 3 cars would probably manhandle, an RX-8
 

Ktulu

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Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: adwilk
Speed is not the only thing you look for in a sports car... I bought and Rx-8 and was looking at WRX STI, 350Z, GTO, stuff like that, there has to be some sense of luxury to count... right? my brothers civic crx running 22 lbs of boost will smoke all the cars i mentioned but it is a far cry from being a sports car... hell my Turbo Deisel truck can outrun some of the cars mentioned here....

wow, if i owned an Ion Redline, or a Coball SS. i would honestly take you up on any track and race you.

there are 3 "boy" racer cars that CANT be talked down. the list follows in order of worst to best:

Ion Redline
Cobalt SS
SRT-4

yes, you heard me, i will say those 3 cars would probably manhandle, an RX-8

yup, here's a good example: link
 

TheLonelyPhoenix

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Originally posted by: Ktulu
wow, this discussion has nothing to do with the "suicide doors" now

Yeah, you're right... I should have seen that coming before I jumped in here. :)

*gracefully exits thread*

Edit: I used "sports car" and "sports coupe" interchangably in my first post, which I shouldn't have. My mistake.
 

mercanucaribe

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Originally posted by: Ktulu
Sports Car

Don't flame the messenger

What the hell?

A car may be sporting without being a sports car. Performance modifications of regular cars, such as muscle cars, hot hatches and the like do not generally fall in the pure sports car territory.
...
Most modern cars use front wheel drive (FF) where the engine is in the front and drives the front wheels. Some sports cars have this layout (e.g. Lotus Elan M100, Fiat Coupé, Fiat Barchetta...), but due to its conservative effect on handling, it is not typical in higher-performance models. However the FF layout is quite common in small Japanese sport cars such as Honda CR-X, Subaru Alcyone SVX, Toyota Celica, Toyota Supra, Mitsubishi Eclipse...

...

Perhaps because of the need to negotiate French roads, Matra sports cars had such a wide track that three could sit abreast.

CR-X is a sports car? Supra is FWD? A wide track is a benefit when negotiating narrow French roads? :confused:
 

sniperruff

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Apr 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: adwilk
Speed is not the only thing you look for in a sports car... I bought and Rx-8 and was looking at WRX STI, 350Z, GTO, stuff like that, there has to be some sense of luxury to count... right? my brothers civic crx running 22 lbs of boost will smoke all the cars i mentioned but it is a far cry from being a sports car... hell my Turbo Deisel truck can outrun some of the cars mentioned here....

wow, if i owned an Ion Redline, or a Cobalt SS. i would honestly take you up on any track and race you.

there are 3 "boy" racer cars that CANT be talked down. the list follows in order of worst to best:

Ion Redline
Cobalt SS
SRT-4

yes, you heard me, i will say those 3 cars would probably manhandle, an RX-8

yeah they would manhandle the RX8 until they hit a corner. oh wait the RX8 has more power than the cobalt and ion, so no.
 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: sniperruff
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: adwilk
Speed is not the only thing you look for in a sports car... I bought and Rx-8 and was looking at WRX STI, 350Z, GTO, stuff like that, there has to be some sense of luxury to count... right? my brothers civic crx running 22 lbs of boost will smoke all the cars i mentioned but it is a far cry from being a sports car... hell my Turbo Deisel truck can outrun some of the cars mentioned here....

wow, if i owned an Ion Redline, or a Cobalt SS. i would honestly take you up on any track and race you.

there are 3 "boy" racer cars that CANT be talked down. the list follows in order of worst to best:

Ion Redline
Cobalt SS
SRT-4

yes, you heard me, i will say those 3 cars would probably manhandle, an RX-8

yeah they would manhandle the RX8 until they hit a corner. oh wait the RX8 has more power than the cobalt and ion, so no.

More power on paper, but in real life, no. I posted reviews a few posts up. They seem pretty similar in acceleration figures, with the Ion running a slightly faster quarter mile.
 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: sniperruff
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: adwilk
Speed is not the only thing you look for in a sports car... I bought and Rx-8 and was looking at WRX STI, 350Z, GTO, stuff like that, there has to be some sense of luxury to count... right? my brothers civic crx running 22 lbs of boost will smoke all the cars i mentioned but it is a far cry from being a sports car... hell my Turbo Deisel truck can outrun some of the cars mentioned here....

wow, if i owned an Ion Redline, or a Cobalt SS. i would honestly take you up on any track and race you.

there are 3 "boy" racer cars that CANT be talked down. the list follows in order of worst to best:

Ion Redline
Cobalt SS
SRT-4

yes, you heard me, i will say those 3 cars would probably manhandle, an RX-8

yeah they would manhandle the RX8 until they hit a corner. oh wait the RX8 has more power than the cobalt and ion, so no.

o that is hilarious

RX-8
Horsepower: 238 hp
Torque: 159 ft-lbs.

the Redline/SS have 205
they run the 1/4 the same as the RX-8

SRT-4
runs the quarter faster

corners the RX-8 might be sportyish, but those cars were built up like nothing to handle.

it honestly would be a good race.
 

Why are you weenies comparing a Saturn Ion redline to an RX-8?
The RX8 is infinitely sexier. Who cares about 0-60 and quarter mile times? The real 'test' is on the track, any numbnuts can mash a pedal and row through gears.

wow, if i owned an Ion Redline, or a Cobalt SS. i would honestly take you up on any track and race you.

there are 3 "boy" racer cars that CANT be talked down. the list follows in order of worst to best:
A few points, you probably have never driven on a track, the rx-8 is rwd, you would wreck the car, and who gives a sh!t.. it's STILL a saturn and a neon.

Sure you can soup up any sh!tbox to go faster than another car, but in the end that other person is driving a nicer car.

Anyway, back on topic. Who considers the suicide doors "revolutionary"?
I know this is just a troll post, but I'd really like to know your source.
 

BatmanNate

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Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Sports Car

Don't flame the messenger

What the hell?

A car may be sporting without being a sports car. Performance modifications of regular cars, such as muscle cars, hot hatches and the like do not generally fall in the pure sports car territory.
...
Most modern cars use front wheel drive (FF) where the engine is in the front and drives the front wheels. Some sports cars have this layout (e.g. Lotus Elan M100, Fiat Coupé, Fiat Barchetta...), but due to its conservative effect on handling, it is not typical in higher-performance models. However the FF layout is quite common in small Japanese sport cars such as Honda CR-X, Subaru Alcyone SVX, Toyota Celica, Toyota Supra, Mitsubishi Eclipse...

...

Perhaps because of the need to negotiate French roads, Matra sports cars had such a wide track that three could sit abreast.

CR-X is a sports car? Supra is FWD? A wide track is a benefit when negotiating narrow French roads? :confused:


The Supra has never been FWD, the Celica was RWD until '86, and the CRX is no sports car for sure. To be purist, I'd say a true sports car should be RWD/AWD, midengine, 2 seat, 2 door, 4 wheel independent suspension but the midengine is more conceptual, and I'm horribly biased. :D
 

adwilk

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Hypothetically,
I will give you my 2004 Shinka, keychain and all,
or i will go down to the friendly, overweight people in their pleated khakis at the saturn dealership....
Take your pick...
 

Chrono

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Dude, the RX-8 is a well balanced car and rocks in cornering. Speed wise though it is lacking and it takes a while to get to 9k rpm. I've test driven the RX-8 about 5 times now and it runs beautifully everytime. Only thing though is #1 - Engine oil problem #2 - Gas mileage
 

swtethan

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Originally posted by: RiDE
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Because its a sports coupe.

Still not unique. The Saturn SC series and the Ion Coupe are both "sporty" coupes. The Ion Redline coupe is easly as fast as the RX-8.
The Ion is not even remotely in the same class as the RX-8.

It's still a sports coupe, right?

FWD != sports car. Even if the marketing people try to tell you otherwise.

either way, its still not unique the RX8, which is what the argument is

It's the only mass produced sportscar with one, so it's unique as a sportscar.


rx-8 will never be a sports car
 

swtethan

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Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: RiDE
Originally posted by: Syringer
Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Because its a sports coupe.

Still not unique. The Saturn SC series and the Ion Coupe are both "sporty" coupes. The Ion Redline coupe is easly as fast as the RX-8.
The Ion is not even remotely in the same class as the RX-8.

It's still a sports coupe, right?

FWD != sports car. Even if the marketing people try to tell you otherwise.

Sports car != sports coupe = RSX, Celica

Do you honestly think an RSX, Celica, or an Ion is in the same class as the RX-8? Do you honestly think people are cross shopping an RX-8 with those cars?

If I had been willing to pay $25k-30k for a car, I would have. The suicide doors make the car very tempting to a guy with kids who wants a fast car.


then buy a 350z
 

akiraxtc

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Originally posted by: Chrono
Dude, the RX-8 is a well balanced car and rocks in cornering. Speed wise though it is lacking and it takes a while to get to 9k rpm. I've test driven the RX-8 about 5 times now and it runs beautifully everytime. Only thing though is #1 - Engine oil problem #2 - Gas mileage

I have an rx-8 and i think that the oil is non-issue. I changed oil every 3000 miles like most cars and i already ran 1700 miles since last oil change and haven't put in any oil yet, in fact i checked my oil and there's still still 50% left in there.. So let's say you fill in oil every 2000 miles or so, that's just $2-3/quart!! Hardly enough to put a dent on your monthly budget by any means. Just something extra to keep track of. Gas mileage does suck though :D
I persoanlly do not think it takes a long time to get to 9k rpm, just the start that's abit slow and when you hit 4k it redlines very quickly.
 

zoiks

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Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Because its a sports coupe.

Still not unique. The Saturn SC series and the Ion Coupe are both "sporty" coupes. The Ion Redline coupe is easly as fast as the RX-8.
The Ion is not even remotely in the same class as the RX-8.


edit: I'm not going to play the "around the tracK" argument, because it's a load of crap. Most cars, with a stiff and upgraded-enough suspension, will hang with a sports car around a track. The issue is that the Ion (1) is not quiet enough, (2) is not rear wheel drive, (3) does not have as nice of an interior, (4) is a tarted up $12K economy car.

Hah! Anything to justify your arguments right?
Nice of an interior? not quiet enough? 12k car? What does this have to do with performance.
Boy I'd hate to get to be in an argument with you over that.
 

clickynext

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I think it's just that no one really cares about Saturns, while people are very interested by any Mazda starting with "RX".
 

vi edit

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Because that feature single handidly has opened the market up to the late 20's to late 30's males who have kids and a wife that says that sports cars are completely unfunctional.

Now they are. :D

Rear opening doors for easy access to a car seat in the back or to let the kid hop in without having to do an acrobatic act to climb into the back seat.

Now those poor guys who were facing the decision of an Accord or any other sedan can toss this back at their wives and say - "See honey, it's got four doors!"