Jeff7181
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Originally posted by: adams828
Originally posted by: tomstevens26
I just built an XP2500+ w/ the A7N8X-E Deluxe Thursday. Put in 2 sticks of KVR PC3200, bumped the FSB to 200 and it's been running completely stable. Using the retail HSF has me a little concerned since I've seen the temps go up to 60C, but I played Call of Duty and UT2003 for HOURS (much longer than I care to admit)yesterday and never seemed to have any stability issues. No lockups, crashes...nothing but fun! Like I said, the high temp has me a little worried but from everything I've seen on here and the AMD forums I think I should be fine.
same setup for me here as well (retail hsf). after 8 hours of prime95 at 200fsb, cpu diode temp was 57C. not the best, but i'm pretty comfortable with that as a load temp
Mine runs 50 C running Prime 95 with an SK-7, Arctic Silver 5, and a Panaflo 80mm fan.
I wouldn't worry much at all unless temps get above 70... if it's getting that hot you probably installed it wrong, or you're in a REALLY hot room.
yhelothar
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Don't worry about the temperature. Athlons can handle high temperatures, so as long as it's stable, I wouldn't think twice about it.
I have a rheobus and I make my fans really quiet. My case gets to 45C and my CPU gets to 60-70C.. it runs completely stable until it gets to over 70C, games starts closing by themselves. So I'd say don't worry as long as it's under 70C.
I have a rheobus and I make my fans really quiet. My case gets to 45C and my CPU gets to 60-70C.. it runs completely stable until it gets to over 70C, games starts closing by themselves. So I'd say don't worry as long as it's under 70C.
You guys have been very helpful and I appreciate it very much.
Some concerns I have about putting together my own computer:
The cpu will overheat. But according to what I've read, it's more likely to just shut down programs or other unstable actions rather than just burning up.
I've never put a heatsink and fan together on a CPU. My current rig is a slot A athlon that's missing its clips such that it slides in and out very easily. Is mounting the cpu, heatsink and fan fairly easy?
Is there any chance I'd mess this up and not realize it until it's too late?
Does it come with a good diagram of how to put these together or is there one I can see online?
Some concerns I have about putting together my own computer:
The cpu will overheat. But according to what I've read, it's more likely to just shut down programs or other unstable actions rather than just burning up.
I've never put a heatsink and fan together on a CPU. My current rig is a slot A athlon that's missing its clips such that it slides in and out very easily. Is mounting the cpu, heatsink and fan fairly easy?
Is there any chance I'd mess this up and not realize it until it's too late?
Does it come with a good diagram of how to put these together or is there one I can see online?
mechBgon
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I have one that I can zip and email tomorrow, if you want. It used to be hosted at my Comcast space before I switched to dial-up, so I need a few minutes to alter the HTML for local reading. Let me know if you want me to send that to your Profile email or another email address. If you have a lot of Inbox space I can even send you a 1.8MB video clip that may help you.
To me, it's not that it's hard, it's just scary!
I've built lots of PCs and that is absolutely the worst part...to me anyway. Slow down, take your time, and concentrate on what you're doing and it really isn't as bad as I've made it sound. Check out this page at AMD's website. It has several good videos showing the process.
Tom
Originally posted by: tomstevens26
To me, it's not that it's hard, it's just scary!
Check out <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_869_4348%5E6678,00.html" target=blank>this</A> page at AMD's website. It has several good videos showing the process.
Tom
Yeah, I'm not worried about it being hard as much as I'm worried about messing up! Thanks for the link though.
I remember the first time I built a comp. This was back when everyone was concerned about crushing cores, etc...Originally posted by: MAME
Originally posted by: tomstevens26
To me, it's not that it's hard, it's just scary!
Check out <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_869_4348%5E6678,00.html" target=blank>this</A> page at AMD's website. It has several good videos showing the process.
Tom
Yeah, I'm not worried about it being hard as much as I'm worried about messing up! Thanks for the link though.
I was trying to put on my thermoengine and I was shaking like a paint mixer, that's how nervous I was, heh. I even had a shim, guess my head didn't care. Thankfully I got it on with no problems
I have an AthlonXP 1700+ (1.47Ghz) that I bought for $42 and now it runs at 2.17Ghz! . Once i find a Barton capable of hitting 2.4Ghz+ in my shuttle, I'll upgrade. Until then, it looks like my video card is the only thing holding me back.
. Once i find a Barton capable of hitting 2.4Ghz+ in my shuttle, I'll upgrade. Until then, it looks like my video card is the only thing holding me back. Barton 2500+ is wicked... I didn't know they were the same price.. if they are the same price and you want to not overclock, get the 2600+. when i bought mine however, there was a decent enough price different to just buy the 2500+. it is afterall barely any slower. (MHz)
my XP2500+ is running at 2.1 GHz with no voltage increase or anything.. i basically just set it there and have left it since.. hell it'll probably go more
it's a great CPU
my XP2500+ is running at 2.1 GHz with no voltage increase or anything.. i basically just set it there and have left it since.. hell it'll probably go more
it's a great CPU
Interesting link to AMD's videos on heatsinks and other cooling. The weird thing is they said the thermal pad is better for long-term use, and the thermal grease is preferred for testing environments where the hsf will be removed and reinstalled often?
I thought good stuff like AS5 don't break down, and that thermal pads suck badly at transferring heat...?
I thought good stuff like AS5 don't break down, and that thermal pads suck badly at transferring heat...?
The rating is something like:
Best
Well-installed silver-based thermal compound (Arctic Silver, etc.)
Well-installed silicon-based thermal compound (white goop)
HIGH-QUALITY thermal pad (high-end P4 stock cooling)
Poorly-installed silver-based thermal compound
Poorly-installed silicon-based thermal compound
Low-quality thermal pad (Celeron, etc.)
Worst
Thermal pads have the advantage of being very easy to install, and good-quality ones (the ones that melt/bond to the transfer surfaces, like Intel uses on high-end P4s) are not too bad. They're also very stable over any time frame. Thermal paste is easy to screw up, and if you do, its heat transfer properties blow. Cheap thermal grease also breaks down after a year or two. So that's why OEMs prefer pads for stock processors/heatsinks, especially if they expect the end user to never crack open the case. It's just more reliable.
That said, even cheap silicon grease is generally better than a good thermal pad if you apply it properly, although that stuff has some long-term issues. Arctic Silver (at least the more recent versions, like 3 and 5) is supposed to "set" after a day or two so that it doesn't break down, separate, or dry out over time.
Finally, you're probably talking about a 5-10 degree Celcius difference between the top and bottom of this list -- even a cheap thermal pad (mated with an appropriate heatsink) is enough for any processor at stock. AMD processors are rated for stable operation at up to 85C, but overclockers in particular try to keep temps low, and every little bit counts.
Best
Well-installed silver-based thermal compound (Arctic Silver, etc.)
Well-installed silicon-based thermal compound (white goop)
HIGH-QUALITY thermal pad (high-end P4 stock cooling)
Poorly-installed silver-based thermal compound
Poorly-installed silicon-based thermal compound
Low-quality thermal pad (Celeron, etc.)
Worst
Thermal pads have the advantage of being very easy to install, and good-quality ones (the ones that melt/bond to the transfer surfaces, like Intel uses on high-end P4s) are not too bad. They're also very stable over any time frame. Thermal paste is easy to screw up, and if you do, its heat transfer properties blow. Cheap thermal grease also breaks down after a year or two. So that's why OEMs prefer pads for stock processors/heatsinks, especially if they expect the end user to never crack open the case. It's just more reliable.
That said, even cheap silicon grease is generally better than a good thermal pad if you apply it properly, although that stuff has some long-term issues. Arctic Silver (at least the more recent versions, like 3 and 5) is supposed to "set" after a day or two so that it doesn't break down, separate, or dry out over time.
Finally, you're probably talking about a 5-10 degree Celcius difference between the top and bottom of this list -- even a cheap thermal pad (mated with an appropriate heatsink) is enough for any processor at stock. AMD processors are rated for stable operation at up to 85C, but overclockers in particular try to keep temps low, and every little bit counts.
Matthias99,
my findings are different. I've used and tried Arctic Silver 3 (different syringes too), on several athlon cpu's for these past 2 years and it always resulted in temperatures consistently rising after 3 months of use. GE Type 44 thermal paste did not have this "wearing off" phenomenon during my useage even though it cooled the cpu down to the same degree temperatures. I am not saying Artic Silver 3 is bad or subpar, but this has just been my experience.
my findings are different. I've used and tried Arctic Silver 3 (different syringes too), on several athlon cpu's for these past 2 years and it always resulted in temperatures consistently rising after 3 months of use. GE Type 44 thermal paste did not have this "wearing off" phenomenon during my useage even though it cooled the cpu down to the same degree temperatures. I am not saying Artic Silver 3 is bad or subpar, but this has just been my experience.
I think the reason they said is not because of issues with the thermal compound breaking down, but perhaps because it's easier/quicker to remove the thermal compound residue from the CPU? I'm not sure, as I've never had to clean a CPU and prep it for a second installation.
Tom
yeah because of it's lower multiplier. the 2500+ has the same multiplier as the 3200+ == 11.
it looks like AMD locked all the multipliers on the BARTONs.
Multipliers on the higher-end Bartons may be getting locked in the newer units, but there are more older ones out.
Also, the 400Mhz version of the 3200+ has a lower multiplier than the 2500+ Barton or the 333Mhz 3200+ CPU.
What I said is what I've heard/read -- my current rig (which I just rebuilt a few weeks ago) is the first one I've used AS on, so I'll have to keep an eye on it. I've never had thermal problems using silicon grease, but I also never had it on there for more than a year. Seriously, I doubt either one is ever going to give the average user any sort of problems if installed properly.
Also, the 400Mhz version of the 3200+ has a lower multiplier than the 2500+ Barton or the 333Mhz 3200+ CPU.
What I said is what I've heard/read -- my current rig (which I just rebuilt a few weeks ago) is the first one I've used AS on, so I'll have to keep an eye on it. I've never had thermal problems using silicon grease, but I also never had it on there for more than a year. Seriously, I doubt either one is ever going to give the average user any sort of problems if installed properly.
What I've found is that using different thermal stuff, the temperature difference can be huge. I haven't measured temps with pads, but the difference from my normal white paste to AS5 was 8ºC on load. Assuming both are well-installed, I'd say the thermal interface you're using can can make a huge difference!
I did make one interesting observation: the difference was 8ºC at first, then it shrank to 6 degs, and a few days later, it was at 8 degs again. Interesting case of AS5 setting in I guess.
I did make one interesting observation: the difference was 8ºC at first, then it shrank to 6 degs, and a few days later, it was at 8 degs again. Interesting case of AS5 setting in I guess.
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