Why is Sarah Palin not a socialist?

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Robor
Sarah is one of those, 'do as I say, not as I do', people.

You mean a f@cking hypocrite?

 

[frostedflakes]

She prefers the term "maverick"

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Finally we are all in agreement that Obama is a Socialist.

As long as you agree that Teddy Roosevelt and Ron Reagan are as well. After all, they both supported policies of "wealth redistribution" and thus fit your definition.

 

[Red Dawn]

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[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Palin The Wealth Spreader: Gov. Imposed Oil Windfall Profits Tax To Allow Alaskans To ?Share In The Wealth?

"Palin explained the windfall profits tax that she imposed on the oil industry in Alaska as a mechanism for ensuring that Alaskans ?share in the wealth? generated by oil companies:
"And Alaska?we?re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it?s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs. ? It?s to maximize benefits for Alaskans, not an individual company, not some multinational somewhere, but for Alaskans."
In fact, Alaska?s Clear and Equitable Share (ACES) program, which manages the redistribution of oil wealth in Alaska, brings in so much money that the state needs no income or sales tax. In addition, this year ACES will provide every Alaskan with a check for an estimated $3,200."

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/27/...shares-wealth/


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[ayabe]

There's also audio of her speaking lingering out on the internets about how her and Todd were really struggling until they got their nice union jobs.


Well doncha know?! :brokenheart:

 

[HomerJS]

More palin socialism.

?we?re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it?s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.?

more Sarah 2x speak

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Finally we are all in agreement that Obama is a Socialist.

You are inflammatory, really a troll.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Finally we are all in agreement that Obama is a Socialist.

No, we're all in agreement that those saying Obama is a socialist don't understand the term.

Well, this and the fact that the Republicans spreading this latest rhetoric are hypocrites.

Case in point, if you asked Buddyboy here his position on windfall profits taxes, he'd say they are socialist.
If you asked him his position on pork barrel spending and earmarks, he's condemn them as big govt.
If you asked him his opinion of Palin, he's say she's some kind of political Messiah of conservatism.
If you then then asked him to explain why Alaska's state govt under Palin was primarily funded by windfall profits taxes on oil companies and federal earmarks, and how she worked hard to increase both of those, he'd reply that Obama is a big govt socialist.

That's just the type of person we're dealing with here. Reminds me of that Churchill quote about democracy and a 5 minute conversation with the average voter.

That Churchill remark is one that comes back to me again and again. That guy was more than canny. He was brilliant.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: HomerJS
Here is the definition of Socialism.

So she has a policy of raising taxes on oil companies and "spreading the wealth" to the people in Alaska in the form of windfall profits. Gettin' a $3000 check would get anybody a high approval rating.

Palins oil profits redistribution

Is this a do as I say not as I do?

Concept: Government of the people, by the people and for the people.
Concept: The Alaska government (re: the people of Alaska) leases their land to oil companies and additionally taxes their take.

Without the leases the oil companies couldn't drill. If they can't drill they can't make money. It's a business arrangement.

So... with the thought that the state = the people and the people (re: government) have made a sweet, profit-making deal with the oil companies and the government (re: the people) make a crap load of money from those deals...

Shouldn't the profits be returned to the people after all the bills are paid?

It's not a 'take from the rich to give to the poor' arrangement... it's a business deal with the oil companies. Alaska has something the oil companies want and the oil companies are willing to pay the state to get at it. That's capitalism. Alaska has something to sell and groups who want to buy.

Socialism is when the government has nothing to sell... takes from one group and gives to another. One side is hurt and the other is helped.

In the case of Alaska and the PFD check, everyone makes money. The oil companies, the state and the people. State endorsed and participated capitalism.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Finally we are all in agreement that Obama is a Socialist.

Actually the agreement is that Palin is gov of the most socialist state in the US.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: HomerJS
Here is the definition of Socialism.

So she has a policy of raising taxes on oil companies and "spreading the wealth" to the people in Alaska in the form of windfall profits. Gettin' a $3000 check would get anybody a high approval rating.

Palins oil profits redistribution

Is this a do as I say not as I do?

Concept: Government of the people, by the people and for the people.
Concept: The Alaska government (re: the people of Alaska) leases their land to oil companies and additionally taxes their take.

Without the leases the oil companies couldn't drill. If they can't drill they can't make money. It's a business arrangement.

So... with the thought that the state = the people and the people (re: government) have made a sweet, profit-making deal with the oil companies and the government (re: the people) make a crap load of money from those deals...

Shouldn't the profits be returned to the people after all the bills are paid?

It's not a 'take from the rich to give to the poor' arrangement... it's a business deal with the oil companies. Alaska has something the oil companies want and the oil companies are willing to pay the state to get at it. That's capitalism. Alaska has something to sell and groups who want to buy.

Socialism is when the government has nothing to sell... takes from one group and gives to another. One side is hurt and the other is helped.

In the case of Alaska and the PFD check, everyone makes money. The oil companies, the state and the people. State endorsed and participated capitalism.

From the wiki definition in OP:

Some socialists advocate complete nationalization of the means of production, distribution, and exchange; while others advocate state control of capital within the framework of a market economy.

What you just described in your post is socialism by definition: "state endorsed and participated capitalism".