Why is Ronald Reagan such a hero to the right?

[spidey07]

By who?

And you do know a lot of that "net worth" was paid by a Credit Card and has to be paid back. So once you subtract all the loans, all that net worth gains you speak of are smoke and mirrors.

Are you retarded? Net worth is net worth. Credit card or debt is subtracted from net worth. Do you even know what net worth is?

Probably not, you're a poor dem voter.

 

[Deeko]

Wrong. The left seems to think that the right sees him as that but it's clear to anyone who pays attention that "the right" does not think he was perfect.

Maybe you don't, but believe it or not, there's a lot more people on "the right" than you. Quite a few talk about "reaganomics" like they are some sort of mecca of fiscal policy, which clearly they are not.

 

[SammyJr]

For the rich. Thanks to Reagan's policies, the middle class has been screwed the past few decades. I actually blame Reagan somewhat more than Bush for where we're at right now (although bush deserves plenty of blame).

And it's funny how you profess your love of unions and how you go out of your way to hire union labor and at the same time kiss the ass of the man who went out of his way to hurt unions the most.

Basically every President starting with Reagan deserves blame, including Clinton. All of them follow the Free Trade religion and presided over the wholesale shipment of entire industries overseas. None see a problem with giving corporations free, untarriffed access to American markets for their slave labor Chinese goods.

If we still made items here, they might be more expensive, but there would be no unemployment problem and social programs would be significantly smaller. And as a bonus, when I go to Taco Bell, I would get to see cute jailbait instead of ex-factory worker middle aged folks who wish they could have a full time job somewhere.

 

[Vette73]

Are you retarded? Net worth is net worth. Credit card or debt is subtracted from net worth. Do you even know what net worth is?

Probably not, you're a poor dem voter.

Try again dumbass.

WHO?

Just because people made more does not subtract the debt that was run up to get that gain. As such most numbers I have ever seen never take that into account. If they did then the 80's are not that great.

 

[spidey07]

Try again dumbass.

WHO?

Just because people made more does not subtract the debt that was run up to get that gain. As such most numbers I have ever seen never take that into account. If they did then the 80's are not that great.

ROFL!

You don't even know what net worth is, you're equating income to net worth. This is absolutely hilarious. I bet you have a negative net worth.

 

[Vette73]

ROFL!

You don't even know what net worth is, you're equating income to net worth. This is absolutely hilarious. I bet you have a negative net worth.

Try again.

The 80s are well regarded as one of the best economic times ever. Personal net worth sky rocketed.

WHO? You made the statement, now back it up.

Fact is most at best held even, not accounting in the extra national debt, while the rich got richer. So in the end most got poorer due to Ronnies and republicans wild times with the US Credit Card while the rich got the gains.


Story right after the 80's

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/11/us/rich-got-richer-in-80-s-others-held-even.html

The wealth of affluent people grew substantially in the 1980's while the assets of other Americans barely kept pace with inflation, the Census Bureau reported today.

 

[Deeko]

ROFL!

You don't even know what net worth is, you're equating income to net worth. This is absolutely hilarious. I bet you have a negative net worth.

I have a negative net worth.

Is this supposed to be some kind of an insult?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Maybe you don't, but believe it or not, there's a lot more people on "the right" than you. Quite a few talk about "reaganomics" like they are some sort of mecca of fiscal policy, which clearly they are not.

Yes, and Reaganomics worked. But nobody said it was perfect nor fiscally responsible. It's just the same old strawman BS put out there by the left - you people need to just get over it already.

 

[Deeko]

Yes, and Reaganomics worked. But nobody said it was perfect nor fiscally responsible. It's just the same old strawman BS put out there by the left - you people need to just get over it already.

I'm not a democrat or a liberal, sport. Don't bother throwing your worthless partisan BS at me, it won't stick.

I made a simple statement - many conservatives idolize Reagan's economic policy, and they do this despite the fact that Reagan's economic policy was actually quite a bit more liberal than the same conservatives will ever admit.

This is fact. Grow up and stop with the partisan nonsense.

 

[Vette73]

Yes, and Reaganomics worked. But nobody said it was perfect nor fiscally responsible. It's just the same old strawman BS put out there by the left - you people need to just get over it already.

:awe:

You funny.


I guess by worked you mean we, US, moved from being the world's largest international creditor to the world's largest debtor nation because of Reaganomics.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

I'm not a democrat or a liberal, sport. Don't bother throwing your worthless partisan BS at me, it won't stick.

I made a simple statement - many conservatives idolize Reagan's economic policy, and they do this despite the fact that Reagan's economic policy was actually quite a bit more liberal than the same conservatives will ever admit.

This is fact. Grow up and stop with the partisan nonsense.

Ah, now you want to stop the partisan nonsense. Do you remember what I quoted? Oh yeah - it's YOU making the absurd statement about Conservatives and the right...

His policies did work and while some may idolize it doesn't mean anyone thinks it's perfect or some model of fiscal sanity. It is however better than what we currently have and will always be better than what BHO tries - because it's about the people instead of the gov't at it's core.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

:awe:

You funny.


I guess by worked you mean we, US, moved from being the world's largest international creditor to the world's largest debtor nation because of Reaganomics.

Again since you people don't seem to process logic well - just because something worked - doesn't mean it's perfect. There was much wrong with Reaganomics but it worked. It got us out of the malaise and set us up for a good long run at prosperity.

 

[Vette73]

Again since you people don't seem to process logic well - just because something worked - doesn't mean it's perfect. There was much wrong with Reaganomics but it worked. It got us out of the malaise and set us up for a good long run at prosperity.

So how did it work, and I don;t mean throw out some key words. Tell me what was so much better that 3 trillion in debt, plus all the other negatives, was worth it.

I can go out for the next year and buy new car and anything else I want with my credit card. Does that mean my economic policy should be followed as compared to 1 year before times are great now? "prosperity"!!!

 

[Deeko]

Ah, now you want to stop the partisan nonsense. Do you remember what I quoted? Oh yeah - it's YOU making the absurd statement about Conservatives and the right...

His policies did work and while some may idolize it doesn't mean anyone thinks it's perfect or some model of fiscal sanity. It is however better than what we currently have and will always be better than what BHO tries - because it's about the people instead of the gov't at it's core.

I'm not partisan. The thread is about how a political ideology views Reagan. I commented directly on the content of the thread topic. You, on the other hand, decided to take that and twist it into an attack on the left, a category into which you apparently would like to lump me, which is rather incorrect.

I stand by my statement and its accuracy. Quite a few people do consider it the model of fiscal sanity, and the ironic thing is that while he might have been more conservative than, say, Carter - Reagan's fiscal policy was far from conservative. In fact, many of the things that Obama and to a lesser extent Bush are criticized for by these same conservatives were also done in the Reagan years.

If you think about it, my entire theme in this thread is an attack on partisan foolishness, so don't try accusing me of your nonsense.

 

[Ldir]

:awe:

You funny.


I guess by worked you mean we, US, moved from being the world's largest international creditor to the world's largest debtor nation because of Reaganomics.

Don't forget the part about making the rich richer. Reagonomics worked great for the only people Republicans care about.

 

[Vette73]

Don't forget the part about making the rich richer. Reagonomics worked great for the only people Republicans care about.

Yep I posted above, just wanted to see if he wants to use that as "worked". :awe:


http://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/11/us/rich-got-richer-in-80-s-others-held-even.html

Rich Got Richer in 80's; Others Held Even

 

[CADsortaGUY]

So how did it work, and I don;t mean throw out some key words. Tell me what was so much better that 3 trillion in debt, plus all the other negatives, was worth it.

I can go out for the next year and buy new car and anything else I want with my credit card. Does that mean my economic policy should be followed as compared to 1 year before times are great now? "prosperity"!!!

Did you even read my post or are you really just that stupid?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

I'm not partisan. The thread is about how a political ideology views Reagan. I commented directly on the content of the thread topic. You, on the other hand, decided to take that and twist it into an attack on the left, a category into which you apparently would like to lump me, which is rather incorrect.

I stand by my statement and its accuracy. Quite a few people do consider it the model of fiscal sanity, and the ironic thing is that while he might have been more conservative than, say, Carter - Reagan's fiscal policy was far from conservative. In fact, many of the things that Obama and to a lesser extent Bush are criticized for by these same conservatives were also done in the Reagan years.

If you think about it, my entire theme in this thread is an attack on partisan foolishness, so don't try accusing me of your nonsense.

I took YOUR comments and made my comments on them based on the reality of the situation. The reality is - the left likes to create this whole "idol" and "perfect" thing and place it over the right. Tough shit if you can't see that - it is what it is.

 

[Vette73]

Did you even read my post or are you really just that stupid?

AGAIN, since you missed it, how did it work?


Anybody can use a Credit Card and make things run great, until the bill comes. So other then running up the debt and the rich getting richer how did it "work"?

 

[Deeko]

I took YOUR comments and made my comments on them based on the reality of the situation. The reality is - the left likes to create this whole "idol" and "perfect" thing and place it over the right. Tough shit if you can't see that - it is what it is.

*yawn* whatever, I'll let you get back to your partisan hackery, child.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

AGAIN, since you missed it, how did it work?


Anybody can use a Credit Card and make things run great, until the bill comes. So other then running up the debt and the rich getting richer how did it "work"?

I didn't miss a thing - you haven't seemed to read my previous post. You know - the one that talks about "perfect" and all that jazz... You can try to boil it down to one argument and try to think you "got it" but I've already stipulated that it wasn't perfect - something you just don't seem to get through your head. I've not met one person who thinks Reaganomics was "perfect". It worked in it's timeframe and had a solid premise but was far from perfect in scope and implementation.
Now do you want to continue down your absurd/irrelevant path or are you going to try to understand my post this time?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

*yawn* whatever, I'll let you get back to your partisan hackery, child.

I'll take that as you getting it. That's right - I'm an optimist!

 

[Vette73]

I didn't miss a thing - you haven't seemed to read my previous post. You know - the one that talks about "perfect" and all that jazz... You can try to boil it down to one argument and try to think you "got it" but I've already stipulated that it wasn't perfect - something you just don't seem to get through your head. I've not met one person who thinks Reaganomics was "perfect". It worked in it's timeframe and had a solid premise but was far from perfect in scope and implementation.
Now do you want to continue down your absurd/irrelevant path or are you going to try to understand my post this time?

Sigh…. AGAIN

Yes, and Reaganomics worked.

You say it worked, I say the rich getting richer off the backs of those with less and running up debt is not working.

So how did it work?

 

[spidey07]

When the rich get richer the benefits trickle down. That's why the Reagan economy was so outstanding.

 

[Vette73]

When the rich get richer the benefits trickle down. That's why the Reagan economy was so outstanding.

Still waiting for your answer on WHO says it was one of the "best economic times ever."


Story right after the 80's

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/11/us/rich-got-richer-in-80-s-others-held-even.html

The wealth of affluent people grew substantially in the 1980's while the assets of other Americans barely kept pace with inflation, the Census Bureau reported today.