Why is OSX >> Win7 ?

[Dr. Zaus]

I just got a cheep-as-dirt (read double-reasonable-price) mac-book air from 2009 and OSX is amazing. This is nothing like that crappy mac OS I used on the LC II (MAJOR up-grade!). This thing is snappy, fun, fast and it is making me more creative.

Also it's secure because it took multiple commands to allowed me to bypass the administrator security.


ps

how do I get right-click to work and how do I get hyper-card?

Moved from OT to OSes
-ViRGE

 

[darkswordsman17]

Well at least you got the tags right. Wrong forum rabble rabble.

 

[z0mb13]

I own both and I find win7 > osx (but I havent tried lion..)

 

[Dr. Zaus]

I own both and I find win7 > osx (but I havent tried lion..)

Maybe you are not creative? Macs are for creative people.

 

[z0mb13]

Maybe you are not creative? Macs are for creative people.

Dude you work as a barista

 

[WelshBloke]

Maybe you are not creative? Macs are for creative people.

And baristas, don't forget them.

Edit: Damn, too late. :-(

 

[CurseTheSky]

It's not.

I just bought a 13" Macbook Pro at the end of December, and having used it for the past several weeks, I'm not overly impressed with OSX. The notebook's hardware, on the other hand, is great.

OSX is a good host OS, IMO. Running Parallels and Windows 7 Pro, I can three-finger-swipe between several full screen OSX applications and Windows 7, which is absolutely awesome for multi-tasking. It really makes alt-tab on Windows seem cumbersome.

With that said, there are several things about OSX that make me shake my head. First of all, the dock. It's pretty... that's about it. It also takes up a LOT of room vertically, compared with the Windows task bar / Start menu. Windows has a much better interface in terms of using the entire screen real estate for applications. Virtually everything is designed to be run maximized, as opposed to OSX where programs have to be designed specifically to be run in full screen mode, which then leaves the dock and OSX menu bar hidden, ready to pop-up as soon as you bring your cursor a bit too close.

I could go on, but there really isn't much of a point. Both OS's have their strengths and weaknesses. I still prefer Windows over OSX, though I will give Apple credit where it's due. OSX is nice, it's just focuses a bit too much on glam and not enough on getting down to business for my taste.

 

[dwell]

Windows 7 is great for running Windows update and booting into Steam to run Skyrim. Otherwise it's pretty useless.

 

[Nothinman]

OS X is ok, but it's really not that great. Apple took a nice, open environment and taped on just enough closed framework to make it frustrating to use. It's nice for making pretentious people feel like they're even more better than the rest of us, but that's probably its biggest feature.

Also it's secure because it took multiple commands to allowed me to bypass the administrator security.

That makes no sense. You can't bypass Windows administrator security without a boot disc to reset the password. So if OS X lets you do it with any number of commands it immediately falls into the insecure category.

 

[janas19]

You guys are all gay.

 

[Anteaus]

I don't care how slick OSX is. Until Apple releases that death grip it has development it will never displace Windows in any meaningful way, because while Windows is a more cumbersome and occasionally more stubborn environment to work in, it offers its users one feature that OSX can't possible compete with at this point: software selection.

I have numerous friends who have Apple machines and use OSX regularly, but almost all of them also run Windows 7 through boot camp in order to use software they otherwise wouldn't have access to.

The fact is that unless OSX can become more than an Apple vanity exercise, it will never compete with Windows in any meaningful way. OSX does have some pretty good multimedia editing software available as well as office productivity suites (ironically Microsoft), but once you get past that all you really have is the fluff they sell in the Appstore.

 

[janas19]

I don't care how slick OSX is. Until Apple releases that death grip it has development it will never displace Windows in any meaningful way, because while Windows is a more cumbersome and occasionally more stubborn environment to work in, it offers its users one feature that OSX can't possible compete with at this point: software selection.

I have numerous friends who have Apple machines and use OSX regularly, but almost all of them also run Windows 7 through boot camp in order to use software they otherwise wouldn't have access to.

The fact is that unless OSX can become more than an Apple vanity exercise, it will never compete with Windows in any meaningful way. OSX does have some pretty good multimedia editing software available as well as office productivity suites (ironically Microsoft), but once you get past that all you really have is the fluff they sell in the Appstore.

I agree

 

[WelshBloke]

OP you were just too subtle.

Not something that happens here very often. Thumbs up to you. :thumbup:

 

[dwell]

I don't care how slick OSX is. Until Apple releases that death grip it has development it will never displace Windows in any meaningful way, because while Windows is a more cumbersome and occasionally more stubborn environment to work in, it offers its users one feature that OSX can't possible compete with at this point: software selection.

Pretty much the opposite from where I sit. All the development and Unixy stuff I need is on OS X and is a real PITA to get running on Windows. Can't think of an app I use that's either not on OS X or has an analogue.

The only things that are on Windows that are not on OS X:

- Games
- CAD apps
- Engineering apps (LTSpice)

 

[WelshBloke]

Pretty much the opposite from where I sit. All the development and Unixy stuff I need is on OS X and is a real PITA to get running on Windows. Can't think of an app I use that's either not on OS X or has an analogue.

The only things that are on Windows that are not on OS X:

- Games
- CAD apps
- Engineering apps (LTSpice)

Your usage is probably not typical though. A lot of people run Windows on macs.

 

[Nothinman]

I don't care how slick OSX is. Until Apple releases that death grip it has development it will never displace Windows in any meaningful way, because while Windows is a more cumbersome and occasionally more stubborn environment to work in, it offers its users one feature that OSX can't possible compete with at this point: software selection.

I have numerous friends who have Apple machines and use OSX regularly, but almost all of them also run Windows 7 through boot camp in order to use software they otherwise wouldn't have access to.

The fact is that unless OSX can become more than an Apple vanity exercise, it will never compete with Windows in any meaningful way. OSX does have some pretty good multimedia editing software available as well as office productivity suites (ironically Microsoft), but once you get past that all you really have is the fluff they sell in the Appstore.

There's no death grip on development for OS X, it's just that no one develops for it because Windows dominates the consumer and business markets. They definitely have iOS under lock down and look like they're slowly moving that way with the OS X App Store, but that's a way off.

Pretty much the opposite from where I sit. All the development and Unixy stuff I need is on OS X and is a real PITA to get running on Windows. Can't think of an app I use that's either not on OS X or has an analogue.

See, I'd rather run my unixy and development stuff on a good, open unix platform like Linux. Compared to Debian, adding the stuff I use all the time to OS X is a PITA.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

OP you were just too subtle.

Not something that happens here very often. Thumbs up to you. :thumbup:

Seconded. I had to read the OP twice to figure out that it was all tongue-in-cheek... The price part was the first giveaway.




Oops... should I have added a SPOILERS tag?

 

[cheez]

Your usage is probably not typical though. A lot of people run Windows on macs.

In my case, it's not. I need WinXp or Server 2003 for my apps to work. Not Windows 7. It's just ghey...

I think the King Kong OSes are:

- Mac OS X
- Windows Server 2003
- Windows 2000 Pro


Mac OS X is DEFINITELY faster and run more responsive than Windows 7. Windows 7 is so slow..... and too many pop up's on taskbar and block my view. Server 2003 and 2008 murders it. They are retarded fast. But the Mac OS X Lion seems to be faster overall for installing / running apps.

 

[SaDiZTiKStyLeZ]

OP probably stores all of their gay porn on the desktop.

 

[dwell]

See, I'd rather run my unixy and development stuff on a good, open unix platform like Linux. Compared to Debian, adding the stuff I use all the time to OS X is a PITA.

$ /usr/bin/ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.github.com/gist/323731)"

$ brew install git

wut?

 

[janas19]

I just got a cheep-as-dirt (read double-reasonable-price) mac-book air from 2009 and OSX is amazing. This is nothing like that crappy mac OS I used on the LC II (MAJOR up-grade!). This thing is snappy, fun, fast and it is making me more creative.

Also it's secure because it took multiple commands to allowed me to bypass the administrator security.


ps

how do I get right-click to work and how do I get hyper-card?

Lol.

I get it now!

 

[Nothinman]

$ /usr/bin/ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.github.com/gist/323731)"

$ brew install git

wut?

And on Linux I don't need 3rd party software for that, the packages that I get are specifically crafted for and integrated with my distribution and all of the software installed via apt automatically get updated for me. All I need is 'aptitude install git' which is half the work described above and I get so much more.

 

[dwell]

And on Linux I don't need 3rd party software for that, the packages that I get are specifically crafted for and integrated with my distribution and all of the software installed via apt automatically get updated for me. All I need is 'aptitude install git' which is half the work described above and I get so much more.

Uh, you get a package manager with your distro, which step one above installs. On OS X you do it once and never again. From then on it's just "brew install <package>", so I don't see your point. So wow, you saved 5s. Yea.

Want to update?

brew update ; brew upgrade

On Linux:

sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
Password:

Notice the extra step in Linux? Homebrew installs to /usr/local which according to POSIX is there for users, not admins. No sudo required every-frickin-time-you-install-a-package.

 

[Nothinman]

Uh, you get a package manager with your distro, which step one above installs. On OS X you do it once and never again. From then on it's just "brew install <package>", so I don't see your point. So wow, you saved 5s. Yea.

Want to update?

brew update ; brew upgrade

On Linux:

sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
Password:

Notice the extra step in Linux? Homebrew installs to /usr/local which according to POSIX is there for users, not admins. No sudo required every-frickin-time-you-install-a-package.

But your brew update doesn't include system updates as well and you're ignoring the fact that Debian packages are going to be much more integrated with the system than "packages" created by a script running ./configure and make for you.

And I don't need sudo because I keep a root shell running all of the time. And I generally use aptitude so that I can browse, search, etc.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

My right click still doesn't work, hyper-card is nowhere in sight and I can't keep my autistic brother off the stupid thing because he just hits squiggle-loopy-X and S on the boot up and then types:

mount -uw /
rm /var/db/.AppleSetupDone
shutdown -h now

Also:

I looked into it and it turns out that Mac OSX is a fork of Linux; I talked to a comp-sci professor, he told me.

I guess Steve Jobs put some of his amazing creativity into Linux and that's why OS-X is for creative people but Linux is still for people who can't figure out how to get their wives to sleep with them.