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Why is not illegal to smoke in a car with children inside?
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Skyclad1uhm1
Lifer
Didn't you know that killing US kids is a good way to showing you support Al-Qaida?
Smokers only smoke cigars and cigarettes cause they are currently unable to smoke Bin Laden.
Smokers only smoke cigars and cigarettes cause they are currently unable to smoke Bin Laden.
Its a moot point. With all the backlash against smoking in general, I won't be surprised if its just a matter of time before they'll be ban inside all car as well. And for those who disagree, Democracy where majority rules is a b**ch (or those that got hijacked by overzealous politicians).
Although I am guilty of it, smoking is most certainly not good for you. I don't smoke around my kids, nor in a car with other nonsmokers in it. If I wish to shorten my lifespan, that is my choice. But these choices should be mine to make, not others. I do not impose my habit on others, and I don't expect others to impose laws regarding this issue on me.
I am neutral on the subject of choice. If a bar/resturant owner wants to prohibit this activity, fine, its his choice. If it becomes a crime to smoke, that is a different story. It would only hold true to impose a similar crime for anyone who would degrade air quality, via cigarettes or other means.
If I live next to that same resturant, I think it would only be fair to impose laws that prohibit any air pollution to emminate from that establishment. No greassy fryer smell, no burning BBQ smell, no degredation of air quality period. The same should then hold true for something so simple as lawn mowers that smokers/nonsmokers use alike. They produce emissions 50-100 times greater than autos, let alone cigarettes. Shall we make it a crime to use these?? Shall I go to jail if my kids are cutting grass for some spare ching?? Point is, where does the government stop on regulating our activities. Regulation cannot just be for the convinient items such as smoking, if it going to be imposed, impose it for the inconvenient items such as living in Los Angeles. In the short time I lived there, I felt like I was smoking just by breathing the air.
As far as the illegality of putting children at risk, I'm all for it, but in context. It is just plain common sense not to put your children at risk. Lets hope, if you have children, you have common sense. Living in general has risk associated with it. However, if parents are going to jail for smoking around children, they should also be going to jail for letting their become obese (heart disease & diabetes). Point is, I'm sick of majority and governmental convenience on these issues, and smoking is an easy target.
Maybe more time should be spent on real issues. We can put a man on the moon, but cant find alternatives to fossil fuels?? BullS**t. It all goes back to the convinence of the issue. An alternative would tear apart a hugh chunk of the economic infrastructure, yet this is the largest pollution mechanism and puts childrens, or for that matter, all of our health at risk. Where would those in the fossil fuel industry get jobs?? What would happen when Exxon stock = Enron stock??
Sad but true, the economic masters who run this country will have all of us sheep distracted from real issues and fighting over smoking=illegal, while they control our government, s**t in our water, and blow toxins into our air.
I am neutral on the subject of choice. If a bar/resturant owner wants to prohibit this activity, fine, its his choice. If it becomes a crime to smoke, that is a different story. It would only hold true to impose a similar crime for anyone who would degrade air quality, via cigarettes or other means.
If I live next to that same resturant, I think it would only be fair to impose laws that prohibit any air pollution to emminate from that establishment. No greassy fryer smell, no burning BBQ smell, no degredation of air quality period. The same should then hold true for something so simple as lawn mowers that smokers/nonsmokers use alike. They produce emissions 50-100 times greater than autos, let alone cigarettes. Shall we make it a crime to use these?? Shall I go to jail if my kids are cutting grass for some spare ching?? Point is, where does the government stop on regulating our activities. Regulation cannot just be for the convinient items such as smoking, if it going to be imposed, impose it for the inconvenient items such as living in Los Angeles. In the short time I lived there, I felt like I was smoking just by breathing the air.
As far as the illegality of putting children at risk, I'm all for it, but in context. It is just plain common sense not to put your children at risk. Lets hope, if you have children, you have common sense. Living in general has risk associated with it. However, if parents are going to jail for smoking around children, they should also be going to jail for letting their become obese (heart disease & diabetes). Point is, I'm sick of majority and governmental convenience on these issues, and smoking is an easy target.
Maybe more time should be spent on real issues. We can put a man on the moon, but cant find alternatives to fossil fuels?? BullS**t. It all goes back to the convinence of the issue. An alternative would tear apart a hugh chunk of the economic infrastructure, yet this is the largest pollution mechanism and puts childrens, or for that matter, all of our health at risk. Where would those in the fossil fuel industry get jobs?? What would happen when Exxon stock = Enron stock??
Sad but true, the economic masters who run this country will have all of us sheep distracted from real issues and fighting over smoking=illegal, while they control our government, s**t in our water, and blow toxins into our air.
Chunkee
Lifer
Your 10 dollar words make your argument weaker. The OP, ME, made a statement about how I feel about a particluar subject in regards to childs well being. The insults and bending of the intent began as you and others posted insolence and garbage.
Enjoy your sanctomonius high on the forums, as it appears, you have difficulty in life in maintaining any semblance of being true to your perception of youself.
JC
BlackJesus03
Banned
Oh, i see. So the eight year old who doesn't know any better will nust say, "Hey mommy, stop the car right now and I'll walk the rest of the way to school." Yeah, that'll work out great.
BlackJesus03
Banned
Hey buddy, this is an online forum, and if you expect everyone else to sit quietly by while you make asinine comments that aren't even the least bit grounded in anything resembling common intelligence, you're even dumber than you already seem.
BlackJesus03
Banned
What the hell are you talking about Mill? If you just trying to get a rise out of everyone while making yourself seem like a total idiot, its working.
You guys do realize that arguing with smokers is like speaking to the dead, right?
Just wait a few years, when you're retired and sunning it up, and the smokers are either a)hacking up a lung b)dead from cancer c)lying in a hospital bed.
Then you don't have to deal with them (unless they post on ATOT from their patient room).
Just wait a few years, when you're retired and sunning it up, and the smokers are either a)hacking up a lung b)dead from cancer c)lying in a hospital bed.
Then you don't have to deal with them (unless they post on ATOT from their patient room).
pismofilmdude
Junior Member
I'll smoke wherever I damn well please.
I don't tell you how to raise your monkey ass kids, don't tell me how to raise mine.
BTW - I don't somke anywhere near my daughter, but you have no right to tell me I can't (even though I dont)
I don't tell you how to raise your monkey ass kids, don't tell me how to raise mine.
BTW - I don't somke anywhere near my daughter, but you have no right to tell me I can't (even though I dont)
CurtisEbear
Senior member
So people who harm their children with secondhand smoke should be able to do whatever they damn well please simply because the kids are "theirs"? I dont think so.
If that's your logic, maybe people who beat the piss out of their kids should just be able to do that whenever they like, because i mean hell, its their kids right? If people want to starve their kids and chain them up in the basement, more power to them because its their kids, right?
Yes, i realize the examples are on the severe side, but the same principle applies. People don't have the right to put their kids in harms way simply because they think the kids "belong" to them.
TerryMathews
Lifer
I don't think a new law is needed per se... There's no real reason that child endangerment can't or shouldn't encompass (forced) exposure to known carcinogens.
Quick survey for those who are opposed to laws preventing smoking around children:
1. Do you not believe that smoking causes cancer?
2. Do you not believe that second-hand smoking causes cancer?
3. Do you believe you should be allowed to feed your child arsenic?
There is not a specific law that says 3 is illegal, but you, I and everyone else knows that a halfway decent DA is going to make some sort of murder rap stick on it.
I get sick of hearing the 'Don't tell me how to raise my kids' party line. No good can come from you forcibly exposing them to carcinogens. You lose, get over it. When you smoke in front of them, you aren't raising them. You're killing them.
Quick survey for those who are opposed to laws preventing smoking around children:
1. Do you not believe that smoking causes cancer?
2. Do you not believe that second-hand smoking causes cancer?
3. Do you believe you should be allowed to feed your child arsenic?
There is not a specific law that says 3 is illegal, but you, I and everyone else knows that a halfway decent DA is going to make some sort of murder rap stick on it.
I get sick of hearing the 'Don't tell me how to raise my kids' party line. No good can come from you forcibly exposing them to carcinogens. You lose, get over it. When you smoke in front of them, you aren't raising them. You're killing them.
Red Dawn
Elite Member
You know what's worse than people who smoke with their children in their car? Parents who constantly feed their kids sugary fat laden foods. Their are more reported health problems among todays children from eating poor unhealthy diets than children who parents smoke in front of them. Maybe there should a be a law against parents who feed their children McDonalds more than once a week.
brunswickite
Diamond Member
Mill, wtf are you talking about?, it is obviously you havent thought your statement through.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say you just made a retard comment to get a rise out of people becasue i dont think your stupid enough to actually say something like that.
TerryMathews
Lifer
I'm not opposed. Although again, I don't think a new law is needed. Child endangerment should fit with anything that would cause long-term harm.
brunswickite
Diamond Member
its new to me.....
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