Why is modern power demand so high?

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crownjules

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We're also forgetting about the business side of things.

Nowadays, every business has to floodlight their property to day light levels both for security and so people driving by at midnight can see your wares.
 

Kev

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Where is all of this additional load coming from? Lighting, cooking, drying clothes, and AC are easily the biggest demands in any house, and all of them have improved over the years.

Central air more expensive than window unit
Xbox
PS3
Cable Box
AppleTV
Roku
Router
Audio receiver
Subwoofer
PC
PC sound system
Media server
iPhone charger
iPad charger
Nook charger
Clock radio

Might have left off a few
 

BoberFett

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I'm going to disagree a bit here. I've lived in/been in enough older homes to know that A LOT of them are about as air tight/leak proof as a whiffle ball. The 1920's built, 1200 sq/ft bungalo I lived in cost me *MORE* to heat and cool than my 3200 sq/ft home I have now.

Yep, that was my situation as well. The tiny old 1920s home cost far more to heat and cool than a new 3000 sq ft home.
 

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More house wiring and breakers means any one circuit is less likely to get overloaded then overheated and start a fire. Also the electrical designs may not have caught up to the reality of CFLs and LED lights.
 

RedRooster

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I got one of those KillaWatt knock offs by Belkin so I could see how much power my stuff was using. I went around and added up all the 24/7 stuff and was hitting a couple hundred watts, being pulled every second of every day. Granted that's not a lot, but if I'm the typical house, that's like running an oven for 8 hours a day every day. If I could keep our heating/cooling system seperate and just have the rest of the house on a timer, I'd save so much.
 
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Vdubchaos

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My house doesn't have it, and neither do any of my neighbors. I always forget how much of the country uses it.

It's over rated and not worth it anyways.

Sure it sucks to put the ACs in the window but they are dirt cheap.

Central AC units are arm and a leg. Cost savings in energy probably take a lifetime to break even.
 

Ns1

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you ever look at some of the rigs in our members' sigs?
 

86waterpumper

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Most points have been covered. So maybe a charger consumes 5 watts? Fact is some probably have as many as 15 to 20 hooked up here or there charging various things. Roombas, cordless tools, ipads, phones, cameras mp3 players etc. I know my cable modem and router together eat up around 25 watts. Dvrs are a huge power hog, i got rid of mine it got so hot i was afraid it would be a fire hazard. My girlfriend probably has 10 scentsy and glade plug ins around the house going full time. Lots and lots of little things, small power draws yes but it all adds up. Alot of people now even go to sleep with the tv on.

There is something else to think about. New house wiring may be fancier with more breakers and upgraded circuits, but the newschool wiring itself sucks. My house is older and it has 10 gauge wiring. There is much less resistance and loss in this wiring, nowdays houses get either 14 or even 16 gauge wires. Early 1900s houses didn't have alot of insulation as mentioned but when you talk about a 1950s through 1970s house I would argue they were built alot better than plenty of new homes.

Another thing I have thought about is the way we live. In the 1950's, everyone sat down and ate dinner together. You cooked three meals a day, everyone did things in sync. The family sat down to watch tv together a hour or two and then did other things. Now what happens? Everyone eats and does things on different shifts so the end result is something is always going. I haven't seen this one mentioned either, but people take for granted the fact that most didn't even run clothes dryers period until fairly recently. I am not 40 yet, but growing up my mom always hung clothes out on the line unless it was raining or dead of winter. People don't want to fool with that now, but a dryer is a huge energy hog.
 
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It's over rated and not worth it anyways. Sure it sucks to put the ACs in the window but they are dirt cheap. Central AC units are arm and a leg. Cost savings in energy probably take a lifetime to break even.

LOL. Central air is one of the most appreciated home based technologies in the last 50 years. In high humdity areas it's an absolute dream come true. You can deal with the pain in the ass of lugging and storing 50 pound innefficient window units. I'll hug my central air compressor while you curse and break your back getting those monstrosities in and out of the window each season.
 

Vdubchaos

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LOL. Central air is one of the most appreciated home based technologies in the last 50 years. In high humdity areas it's an absolute dream come true. You can deal with the pain in the ass of lugging and storing 50 pound innefficient window units. I'll hug my central air compressor while you curse and break your back getting those monstrosities in and out of the window each season.

I have 6 and they are not that heavy.

I also have extra 10-15k in my bank. Heck I can probably hire someone twice a year AND buy a new unit EVERY YEAR and still come ahead.

For down south/high heat areas I can understand though. I'm in the northeast though.
 

Red Squirrel

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Way more electronics like computers and stuff. Though technically we could still get away with a couple 15 amp breakers + the few bigger dedicated ones that are standard like a 30 for the dryer and 40 for the oven. Central AC uses a 30 I think too... but other than those dedicated items, all those extra 15 amp breakers are more for isolation of certain areas. Some are also for code reasons such as kitchen requiring at least 2 20 amp circuits (or something like that) but think that's just a US code. It's also nice to know that most of your circuits are pretty much "free" so you can temporary plug something that draws lot of power without tripping the breaker.

Chances are most people could live off 40 amps fairly easily. Even all my server stuff at home is running off a single 15 amp circuit and is using a fraction of it.
 

Red Squirrel

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LOL. Central air is one of the most appreciated home based technologies in the last 50 years. In high humdity areas it's an absolute dream come true. You can deal with the pain in the ass of lugging and storing 50 pound innefficient window units. I'll hug my central air compressor while you curse and break your back getting those monstrosities in and out of the window each season.

Yeah I have a portable AC unit (all my windows are crank so could not get a window unit) and it's a pain in the butt and uses lot of space. Also had to mod it quite heavily to make it more efficient since it was sucking more hot air in the house than making cold air. :awe: "Portable" is really a joke because this thing is monstrous and by the time I connect all the tubes and stuff, I don't want to move it again for the season.

I definitely want central air at some point. Especially now that our winters are getting shorter and summers are getting longer, it's more worth it. Even for that one week where we get +30's, it pays for itself.
 

86waterpumper

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Yeah there is a reason there are two to three outlets on every wall in newer houses these days. They get used and people want them :p Older houses sometimes had as little as one per room.
Here in TN you would not want to do away with central air...summers in the south are humid and miserable without it. With that being said, some try to keep their house 60 degrees in august lol.
 

Vdubchaos

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Yeah I have a portable AC unit (all my windows are crank so could not get a window unit) and it's a pain in the butt and uses lot of space. Also had to mod it quite heavily to make it more efficient since it was sucking more hot air in the house than making cold air. :awe: "Portable" is really a joke because this thing is monstrous and by the time I connect all the tubes and stuff, I don't want to move it again for the season.

I definitely want central air at some point. Especially now that our winters are getting shorter and summers are getting longer, it's more worth it. Even for that one week where we get +30's, it pays for itself.

Get a quote, go ahead.

;)
 

IronWing

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Chargers just sitting there sucking power, doing nothing but keeping that little green light on and transforming AC to DC hoping the people will return to plug something in. That and doorbell transformers sitting there waiting, waiting for their moment of glory.

And amp-rated power tools. More amps must be better, more powerful, just better.
 

Red Squirrel

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Chargers just sitting there sucking power, doing nothing but keeping that little green light on and transforming AC to DC hoping the people will return to plug something in. That and doorbell transformers sitting there waiting, waiting for their moment of glory.

And amp-rated power tools. More amps must be better, more powerful, just better.

Hahaha for some reason the wiring for the doorbell in this house was partially removed, but the transformer was still sitting on the side of the panel, being powered for no reason at all. I laughed when I discovered that. A freaking dedicated 15 amp breaker, for a doorbell! :biggrin:

I kinda wish the wiring was intact though, wireless doorbells have crap range.
 

Zebo

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LOL. Central air is one of the most appreciated home based technologies in the last 50 years. In high humdity areas it's an absolute dream come true. You can deal with the pain in the ass of lugging and storing 50 pound innefficient window units. I'll hug my central air compressor while you curse and break your back getting those monstrosities in and out of the window each season.

climate control causes obesity, usually everything we like is bad for us lol.
 

Ns1

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This is why (straight out of someone's sig)

Intel Core i7 2600K | Radeon HD 6950 | MSI P67A-GD80 | OCZ Vertex 3 240GB | 16GB RAM | OCZ 600W PSU | Corsair 650D case | Corsair H70 Cooler | Dell U2713HM
2012 2.3Ghz Core i7 Mac mini | 256GB Samsung 830 + 1TB HDD (Fusion Drive) | 16GB RAM
15" Retina MacBook Pro | 8GB RAM | 256GB SSD
Lumia 920 | iPhone 5 | Nexus 4 | iPad Mini
 

Vdubchaos

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climate control causes obesity, usually everything we like is bad for us lol.

:)

There is pros and cons to both window units and central. For example, you can't have AC in one room (have to cool each zone).

That's not exactly energy efficient....

This is why (straight out of someone's sig)

Lucky I don't have mine anymore. I have 4 PCs set up in my office (24/7 lan party). And they all get used each and every day (have 3 sons).

:)
 

Ns1

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:)

There is pros and cons to both window units and central. For example, you can't have AC in one room (have to cool each zone).

That's not exactly energy efficient....

But completely awesome.