Why is Marijuana Illegal???????

[LongCoolMother]

Originally posted by: bittersweet81

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
So instead of bitching about making pot legal, you should bitch about making cigarettes, alcohol, and over the counter drugs illegal.

WTF? You think society is BETTER OFF with things that we kill eachother with every day? Man, you guys are FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKT UP!

Well, based on that reasoning, guns, cars, ALL drugs, walking, showering, fast food, etc...should all be illegal.

amish

If you can prove that there are more negative consequences than there are positive consequences, I might agree with you no matter what the topic.

OK, here. We'll use the shower as an example, Mr. Logic King.

Pro: You get clean in it

Cons: You can slip and fall
You can drown in it if you have a shower/bathtub with the drain closed.
It uses a lot of water.
Some people choose not to use a shower or bath, anyway.
It requires money, plumbing, and professionals to install and run it.

You want me to give you the same breakdown for GUNS or CARS, for fvck's sake? I'm sure we can find a lot more negative reasons than positive reasons for having those two things in society. Give it up. Everything has a bad side to it. Even WATER can kill you if you drink too much of it.

If you don't want to face the fact that marijuana DOES have benefits beyond getting people high and is not a tool of the Devil, feel free to remain deluded.

yes, but marajuana is much more harmful when speaking of the degree of harm done. sure, everything has risk, even using a pencil. but the chance and damage of the pencil causing harm is much less than smoking pot.

Just out of curiousity could you please explain why the degree of harm done from marijuana is more compared to currently legal substances. (I'm not arguing that it is good for you) I think you'll find that marijuana is relatively not harmfull compared to what society has considered acceptable in other instances.

imo, your point is very valid. in my opinion, which is very extreme to most people to say the least, is to ban alcohol, marajuana, cigars completely. now i know thats not realistic, but thats just my view. i certainly dont have a problem with people use those substances, but if i had my way, it would all be illegal. thats why i dont see alcohol justifying the legality of marajuana.

now speaking of the danger marajuana imposes, i have little experience with the drug, so it is not for me to say. however, i think the drug does have some negative effects, whether it be serious or not. as for the pencil, its practicle, but it can be used for harm as well. the chance of it being used for harm is much less and the damage caused is not extremely bad.

i think what many people are arguing is that the amount of pleasure (or whatever satisfaction marajuana brings to the user) is worth the price for the *risk* involved. obviously, if using the drug has a much higher degree of danger, they would probably not support it anymore.

as for alcohol as well. when you drink, you have a chance of endangering your life. some people might think the enjoyment you get from drinking is worth the small risk of hurting yourself. some people might think its not worth taking the risk, just for those few hours of fun.

thats why for this issue, i really am quite neutral. either way would be the same. im just saying, if it were my choice, id ban all of it-but thats just me.

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: Eli
I think this could possibly be the best thread on this subject we've ever had.

Anyway, as for XZeroII's argument.. I don't believe in that at all. Humans have always saught ways to alter their conciousness. There is nothing new about that, and there is no way to prevent it.

Instead of making the drugs illegal, we need to educate people about them and let them decide for themselves. I really think that's the key.

The government has no right to tell me what I can and cannot do as long as I am not hurting anybody else. Since they seem to think they have this right, I will say.. free country my ass.

I agree. Educating people impartially about drugs is a good step in the right direction, instead of automatically saying "Drugs are bad. Don't do them.", with no further explanation. People should have the right to be educated about drugs and allowed to make a choice from there on. If they're not hurting anyone else, then they should be permitted to do what they like.

 

[damiano]

it is illegal??? :Q

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: Vic
Oh damn! And here I am without my prescription for alcohol

here ya go

All you guys saying it should be illegal because it "impairs your conciousness" need to lay off the crack.

By that logic, why can I buy dopamine over the counter?

 

[imported_Papi]

I can buy a pack of smokes to go with my alcoholic beverage and when I start to developed liver damage and possible cancer I can switch to smoking an illegal substance for medical purposes. That's the most retarded thing ever...

The Ontario government doesn't want people to smoke it, they want us to put it in our food to give us that knocked-on-your-ass effect.

 

[glugglug]

Marijuana definately SHOULD BE LEGAL. There is no real reason other than politics for it not to be, and it has many positive (non-smoking) uses that are being prohibited.

That said, there is one example of a stoner doing damage to society I can cite: George Bush (Sr.) has a prescription for THC, the active ingredient in pot. I guess it must cause retardation in offspring.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: N8Magic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Encryptic Spoken like someone who ACTUALLY has experience. I can vouch for this. When I get high, I'm much more inclined to sit on my butt and listen to music or watch a good movie. In short, I'm RELAXING. I'm not getting drunk and obnoxious or thinking that I can drive my car when I obviously can't. Go ask a group of marijuana users what they do, and the majority of them are going to come back with the same answer.

That's YOU. That's not EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD.

You're right, that's me. ... and everyone else I know that smokes marijuana. (and there are no shortage of pot smokers in Canada)

Yup. You know all of them. You know everyone in the world who smokes pot. And, because you also know everyone in the world who will smoke pot in the future, your being relaxed when you smoke it actually proves something.

Look, nik, that point you keep trying to argue is moot because nobody here knows what 100% of pot smokers do while high, so please just stop bringing it up.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: N8Magic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Encryptic Spoken like someone who ACTUALLY has experience. I can vouch for this. When I get high, I'm much more inclined to sit on my butt and listen to music or watch a good movie. In short, I'm RELAXING. I'm not getting drunk and obnoxious or thinking that I can drive my car when I obviously can't. Go ask a group of marijuana users what they do, and the majority of them are going to come back with the same answer.

That's YOU. That's not EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD.

You're right, that's me. ... and everyone else I know that smokes marijuana. (and there are no shortage of pot smokers in Canada)

Yup. You know all of them. You know everyone in the world who smokes pot. And, because you also know everyone in the world who will smoke pot in the future, your being relaxed when you smoke it actually proves something.

I really don't understand your hostility towards pot.. It's pretty unfounded. You have some sort of personal vendetta against it, you're not using logic.. I'm sure you've been drunk. Being drunk is far worse an experience than being stoned. You loose control of yourself when you're drunk, that does not happen when you smoke. Nobody ever gets high and then completely forgets what happened the day before.... It's more like.. "Dude.. That was cool."

I've never said this on AT, and I'm a little weary doing so. Why, I don't know. Most of what's left of my family has shunned my uncle, the retard. 13 years or so ago he was driving around while high. He was so fvcked up that he crossed lanes of traffic thinking he was driving under water and following a school of fish. He slammed into another car causing a 4 car accident head on while crossing one of the bridges downtown Portland (I'm not sure it was the Fremont. I don't get down there much), putting something like 8 in the hospital. He, himself, was thrown out of the driver's door window (wasn't thinking to wear a seatbelt) while his car spun and rolled. The car landed on his legs, braking both of them after he landed on his face, braking every bone in his face. He almost died. I remember like it was yesterday, going into the hospital to see him. His face was completely round from the swelling and loss of bone structure support. His eyes were 80% blood red, save for the iris and the pupil which had a sick red hint to them. I remember him looking down at me and not knowing who I was. It scared the sh|t out of me. This. This is what drives me so hard. I won't ever smoke pot. I gave up cigarettes. I've basically given up drinking, for the most part. The last time I had something to drink was when I went out with Gregg. Before that, I can't remember the last time I had a drink. Maybe it is an irrational fear of it and it's effects. Maybe I'm NOT thinking rationally. Sorry. I just get so wrapped up in what happened years ago in my head that things seem like the world is going to end if I don't convince people otherwise. Either way... nobody's going to learn the easy way anyway, I guess.

I'm very sorry to hear that, cobalt. But you can't logically take the actions of one and make a blanket assumption. There are pedophilic priests, and then there are Mother Teresas.

 

[isaacmacdonald]

But that's the problem. I highly doubt people who are stupid enough to smoke pot will do it only in their homes and stay inside for the duration of the effects.

That's where the government comes into play.

umm... wtf are you talking about?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
most of fmcobalts objections with marijana also apply to religion which he so deeply loves. religion can be a very dangerous thing as we all know. its funny fmmcobalt isn't for making it illegal. its just consistency we want you know.

Religion, unlike drugs, has to be consciously accepted and followed.

Next?

you mean people don't have free choice to take or not to take drugs? hah!

ever heard of cults?

don't roll your eyes if you haven't thought things through.

 

[LS20]

i barely smoke, and have never done any other drugs, and i have to say the conservative hardas5 DARE kids here are ridiculous

 

[imported_Papi]

and its happy hour.......

 

[cainsdive]

Well it's been fun reading this. My 2cworth.

!. FFMCobolt- Your an ASS. If you are going to debate a subject like this one, get all your ducks in a row before hand!!!

2.yayo- You win the award for the most entertaining posts:beer:

3.All the people I have smoked with in the past (I don't anymore) do nothing but veg, eat, talk crap, and lisen to music.

4.I think it should be legalised. It would free up space in the jails, save money, make money, free up gov. resorses for other more
inportant matters, give crim's 1 less thing to make money off of, stop money going out of the country, and make the whole place a little more mellow.

 

[imported_Papi]

Originally posted by: cainsdive
Well it's been fun reading this. My 2cworth.

!. FFMCobolt- Your an ASS. If you are going to debate a subject like this one, get all your ducks in a row before hand!!!

2.yayo- You win the award for the most entertaining posts:beer:

3.All the people I have smoked with in the past (I don't anymore) do nothing but veg, eat, talk crap, and lisen to music.

4.I think it should be legalised. It would free up space in the jails, save money, make money, free up gov. resorses for other more
inportant matters, give crim's 1 less thing to make money off of, stop money going out of the country, and make the whole place a little more mellow.

is that good or bad, cuz Im just fvcking around most times.
boredom... and all

 

[bittersweet81]

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: Eli
I think this could possibly be the best thread on this subject we've ever had.

Anyway, as for XZeroII's argument.. I don't believe in that at all. Humans have always saught ways to alter their conciousness. There is nothing new about that, and there is no way to prevent it.

Instead of making the drugs illegal, we need to educate people about them and let them decide for themselves. I really think that's the key.

The government has no right to tell me what I can and cannot do as long as I am not hurting anybody else. Since they seem to think they have this right, I will say.. free country my ass.

I agree. Educating people impartially about drugs is a good step in the right direction, instead of automatically saying "Drugs are bad. Don't do them.", with no further explanation. People should have the right to be educated about drugs and allowed to make a choice from there on. If they're not hurting anyone else, then they should be permitted to do what they like.

I would also agree that there have been some great...well thought out, educated statements in this thread. Ended up being a lot better than I expected. Nice work everyone.

 

[bittersweet81]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: N8Magic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Encryptic Spoken like someone who ACTUALLY has experience. I can vouch for this. When I get high, I'm much more inclined to sit on my butt and listen to music or watch a good movie. In short, I'm RELAXING. I'm not getting drunk and obnoxious or thinking that I can drive my car when I obviously can't. Go ask a group of marijuana users what they do, and the majority of them are going to come back with the same answer.

That's YOU. That's not EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD.

You're right, that's me. ... and everyone else I know that smokes marijuana. (and there are no shortage of pot smokers in Canada)

Yup. You know all of them. You know everyone in the world who smokes pot. And, because you also know everyone in the world who will smoke pot in the future, your being relaxed when you smoke it actually proves something.

I really don't understand your hostility towards pot.. It's pretty unfounded. You have some sort of personal vendetta against it, you're not using logic.. I'm sure you've been drunk. Being drunk is far worse an experience than being stoned. You loose control of yourself when you're drunk, that does not happen when you smoke. Nobody ever gets high and then completely forgets what happened the day before.... It's more like.. "Dude.. That was cool."

I've never said this on AT, and I'm a little weary doing so. Why, I don't know. Most of what's left of my family has shunned my uncle, the retard. 13 years or so ago he was driving around while high. He was so fvcked up that he crossed lanes of traffic thinking he was driving under water and following a school of fish. He slammed into another car causing a 4 car accident head on while crossing one of the bridges downtown Portland (I'm not sure it was the Fremont. I don't get down there much), putting something like 8 in the hospital. He, himself, was thrown out of the driver's door window (wasn't thinking to wear a seatbelt) while his car spun and rolled. The car landed on his legs, braking both of them after he landed on his face, braking every bone in his face. He almost died. I remember like it was yesterday, going into the hospital to see him. His face was completely round from the swelling and loss of bone structure support. His eyes were 80% blood red, save for the iris and the pupil which had a sick red hint to them. I remember him looking down at me and not knowing who I was. It scared the sh|t out of me. This. This is what drives me so hard. I won't ever smoke pot. I gave up cigarettes. I've basically given up drinking, for the most part. The last time I had something to drink was when I went out with Gregg. Before that, I can't remember the last time I had a drink. Maybe it is an irrational fear of it and it's effects. Maybe I'm NOT thinking rationally. Sorry. I just get so wrapped up in what happened years ago in my head that things seem like the world is going to end if I don't convince people otherwise. Either way... nobody's going to learn the easy way anyway, I guess.

I'm very sorry to hear that, cobalt. But you can't logically take the actions of one and make a blanket assumption. There are pedophilic priests, and then there are Mother Teresas.

I am also sorry to hear about the accident but I would have to say that your uncle had to be under the influence of more than just marijuana. I have never experienced or heard of anyone experiencing the visuals you described. Pot just doesn't do that. You would never think you were under water driving with fish. There had to be something else. Either that or this was an extremely rare, isolated case.

 

[Legendary]

I agree in this case - I've never read anything about anyone getting such extreme hallucinations from THC (even though weed is a hallucinogen.) Either way, I'm sorry to hear your story, and while I do believe you, I say you've been struck with an extreme case. I've never smoked weed (my lungs are bad as it is and the smell is awful to me) but I believe that it should be legalized - but only if the public is educated to what it can do and is regulated similar to the way alcohol is. Then alcohol regulations should be improved even more. Alcohol is more dangerous than marijuana, I believe.

 

[bittersweet81]

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother

Originally posted by: bittersweet81

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
So instead of bitching about making pot legal, you should bitch about making cigarettes, alcohol, and over the counter drugs illegal.

WTF? You think society is BETTER OFF with things that we kill eachother with every day? Man, you guys are FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKT UP!

Well, based on that reasoning, guns, cars, ALL drugs, walking, showering, fast food, etc...should all be illegal.

amish

If you can prove that there are more negative consequences than there are positive consequences, I might agree with you no matter what the topic.

OK, here. We'll use the shower as an example, Mr. Logic King.

Pro: You get clean in it

Cons: You can slip and fall
You can drown in it if you have a shower/bathtub with the drain closed.
It uses a lot of water.
Some people choose not to use a shower or bath, anyway.
It requires money, plumbing, and professionals to install and run it.

You want me to give you the same breakdown for GUNS or CARS, for fvck's sake? I'm sure we can find a lot more negative reasons than positive reasons for having those two things in society. Give it up. Everything has a bad side to it. Even WATER can kill you if you drink too much of it.

If you don't want to face the fact that marijuana DOES have benefits beyond getting people high and is not a tool of the Devil, feel free to remain deluded.

yes, but marajuana is much more harmful when speaking of the degree of harm done. sure, everything has risk, even using a pencil. but the chance and damage of the pencil causing harm is much less than smoking pot.

Just out of curiousity could you please explain why the degree of harm done from marijuana is more compared to currently legal substances. (I'm not arguing that it is good for you) I think you'll find that marijuana is relatively not harmfull compared to what society has considered acceptable in other instances.

imo, your point is very valid. in my opinion, which is very extreme to most people to say the least, is to ban alcohol, marajuana, cigars completely. now i know thats not realistic, but thats just my view. i certainly dont have a problem with people use those substances, but if i had my way, it would all be illegal. thats why i dont see alcohol justifying the legality of marajuana.

now speaking of the danger marajuana imposes, i have little experience with the drug, so it is not for me to say. however, i think the drug does have some negative effects, whether it be serious or not. as for the pencil, its practicle, but it can be used for harm as well. the chance of it being used for harm is much less and the damage caused is not extremely bad.

i think what many people are arguing is that the amount of pleasure (or whatever satisfaction marajuana brings to the user) is worth the price for the *risk* involved. obviously, if using the drug has a much higher degree of danger, they would probably not support it anymore.

as for alcohol as well. when you drink, you have a chance of endangering your life. some people might think the enjoyment you get from drinking is worth the small risk of hurting yourself. some people might think its not worth taking the risk, just for those few hours of fun.

thats why for this issue, i really am quite neutral. either way would be the same. im just saying, if it were my choice, id ban all of it-but thats just me.

Well even though we don't agree, I can at least accept your argument as one that doesn't contridict itself. If your for banning one then you might as well be for banning it all, which is exactly what you said. (Physically your right, there are no benefits to any of those things in a recreational context.) I would agree that it is about what people think is an acceptable risk. The problem is that when you get past the crap they throw at you on TV there isn't much risk at all with marijuana . The major risk with marijuana is getting caught. Other than that it does what most have said on here. Makes you want to mellow out, listen to music, and eat. Not kill, rape, hurt anyone. Anyway, thanks for an opposing point of view that makes sense.

 

[clamum]

I'm surprised at the people who post saying "I don't smoke pot but..." or never did any research or know no facts about it. Stop right there. You've never done it (experienced it, not did it once) or never researched on it? Fine, go ahead and post, but it's going to be a bunch of gibberish because you know nothing about it.

 

[gigapet]

god is there anything left to this horse corpse

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: americangigolo
I'm surprised at the people who post saying "I don't smoke pot but..." or never did any research or know no facts about it. Stop right there. You've never done it (experienced it, not did it once) or never researched on it? Fine, go ahead and post, but it's going to be a bunch of gibberish because you know nothing about it.

That's exactly why I got so irritated by this: Most of the virulently anti-marijuana posters have never smoked it, obviously. Instead, they choose to make uneducated statements about a drug they have no experience with, and crucify everyone who does smoke pot. It appears that Jzero was the only one who doesn't smoke pot but was still arguing (intelligently, I might add) that it should be legalized, instead of making blanket statements with no foundation in fact.

Bottom Line: If you have never smoked pot, then you certainly have no business passing judgement on people who do. If you choose not to smoke pot, that's your business. Just don't come barging into a discussion like this without any prior experience with marijuana.

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: bittersweet81
I am also sorry to hear about the accident but I would have to say that your uncle had to be under the influence of more than just marijuana. I have never experienced or heard of anyone experiencing the visuals you described. Pot just doesn't do that. You would never think you were under water driving with fish. There had to be something else. Either that or this was an extremely rare, isolated case.

If you haven't had enough sleep it can aggrivate the effects of sleep deprivation. Since one of the possible symptoms of sleep dep is hallucinations that could be what caused it. Regardless, that is a really atypical reaction. Most people just go to sleep. I wonder if his uncle had taken something else to keep him awake. (Nothing illegal necessarily; could be he drank an entire pot of coffee)

 

[clamum]

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: americangigolo
I'm surprised at the people who post saying "I don't smoke pot but..." or never did any research or know no facts about it. Stop right there. You've never done it (experienced it, not did it once) or never researched on it? Fine, go ahead and post, but it's going to be a bunch of gibberish because you know nothing about it.

That's exactly why I got so irritated by this: Most of the virulently anti-marijuana posters have never smoked it, obviously. Instead, they choose to make uneducated statements about a drug they have no experience with, and crucify everyone who does smoke pot. It appears that Jzero was the only one who doesn't smoke pot but was still arguing (intelligently, I might add) that it should be legalized, instead of making blanket statements with no foundation in fact.

Bottom Line: If you have never smoked pot, then you certainly have no business passing judgement on people who do. If you choose not to smoke pot, that's your business. Just don't come barging into a discussion like this without any prior experience with marijuana.

I really like the Marcus Aurelius quote, "The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them know anything about the subject."

I have nothing against debating with someone who has facts and experience to back up their point-of-view but arguing by making generalizations and spouting fallacies will get a

from me.

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: americangigolo

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: americangigolo
I'm surprised at the people who post saying "I don't smoke pot but..." or never did any research or know no facts about it. Stop right there. You've never done it (experienced it, not did it once) or never researched on it? Fine, go ahead and post, but it's going to be a bunch of gibberish because you know nothing about it.

That's exactly why I got so irritated by this: Most of the virulently anti-marijuana posters have never smoked it, obviously. Instead, they choose to make uneducated statements about a drug they have no experience with, and crucify everyone who does smoke pot. It appears that Jzero was the only one who doesn't smoke pot but was still arguing (intelligently, I might add) that it should be legalized, instead of making blanket statements with no foundation in fact.

Bottom Line: If you have never smoked pot, then you certainly have no business passing judgement on people who do. If you choose not to smoke pot, that's your business. Just don't come barging into a discussion like this without any prior experience with marijuana.

I really like the Marcus Aurelius quote, "The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them know anything about the subject."

I have nothing against debating with someone who has facts and experience to back up their point-of-view but arguing by making generalizations and spouting fallacies will get a

from me.

Great quote. I'm tempted to sig it and I wholeheartedly agree with what you're saying.

 

[bigshot]

ive smoked marijuana for the last 3 years on and off but mostly everyday a couple times a day.

I have NEVER ONCE had a visual hallicagtion (sp?) you said your uncle was drivin and then saw a school of fish is not WEED doing it, its more of doing LSD or your uncle is god dam crazy..weed would never do that.

Ive smoked probably over 3 thousand joints and i have never met a stoner who had visual hall..and ive smoekd with a TON of people