That is my view as well. The best thing we can do is have Obama win, help get health care fixed, then in '10 the republicans regain control of congress and actually beccome for small government again and get this disastrous debt under control. It's what needs to happen.
That is my view as well. The best thing we can do is have Obama win, help get health care fixed, then in '10 the republicans regain control of congress and actually beccome for small government again and get this disastrous debt under control. It's what needs to happen.
Alcohol was legal at one point. Then one day it was not. THAT is the reason crime increased, because people wanted what they used to be able to legally obtain and would go through illegal means to get it. I didn't say alcohol/cigs were good, but on a global scale where are alcohol/tobacco legal? I don't know of any country that is not "3rd world" that has a ban on one/both. How about weed? Most modern countries do.
Obama-messiah-jesus-savior to the rescue huh?
jk jk
(I had to, but I was kidding and would really like this to not erode into a Obama vs McCain vs Ron Paul thread, we have plenty of those.)So what's the difference? Weed was legal at one point too. If you are attempting to say that legalizing marijuana would increase crime you're going to need to provide some evidence for that. Prohibition of popular substances creates black markets, and black markets create crime.
Yep, if idiots like you didn't vote for the two party system we would be tons better off.
Actually the problem is people like you moonbeam. You 'think' or 'believe' that 'your guy' is going to change washington, that he won't do business as usual. Well, there have been many of those empty word speakers through the last 100yrs of presidents and guess what? None of them did shit but increase the size of government. Your messiah will do no different. He will implement more government oversight, universal healthcare, continue an aggressive foreign policy and accrue more debt for the American people. You really can't help it though, you're blind.
What does islam have to do with anything? Your messiah had plenty of opportunities to stand up for the constitution yet he rolled over like a yellow pig that he is.
There is only Obama FOR YOU. Cause fools like you continue to participate in the two party system. Those are the true fools Moonbeam, continuing the same patterns expecting a different result. Wait, or is it insanity? :laugh:
What are you talking about. There isn't any tiniest chance at all. A Democrat or a Republican will win. Get fucking real. Nobody but a fool wouldn't pick the lesser of two evils when one or the other will be elected. You can't adjust your mind to reality, it seems. You keep pretending there's some other answer when there is none. It isn't a defeated person who will vote the lesser of two evils, it's you who are defeated by reality. You can't face facts as they are.
Talk about being defeated. You vote for the lesser of two evils. When you stoop to that level, you've given up.
Throckmorton
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I think people who talk about voting for "the lesser of two evils" are the least politically aware, and usually stay home on election day anyway.
M: We could have better government if people weren't stupid. Duh?
PC: Yep, if idiots like you didn't vote for the two party system we would be tons better off.
The 'IF' of a dreamer who can't face what is. You are the idiot because you life in 'IF LAND'.
M: All you ideological idiots think the same. You all diagnose the problem and have no answers that mean a thing. Always there's this if only this or if only that and there's no chance at all your if will be in any timely manner.
PC: Actually the problem is people like you moonbeam. You 'think' or 'believe' that 'your guy' is going to change washington, won't do business as usual.
M: How many fucking times do I have to say it. Only Obama will have any opportunity to change anything. He will have a Democratic congress and a rare opportunity to do things. God only knows if he will. McSame will be stymied at every turn. Knock of the "Moonbeam's a believer shit" I don't believe anything but that the opportunity will be there if Obama wins.
PC: Well, there have been many of those empty word speakers through the last 100yrs of presidents and guess what? None of them did shit but increase the size of government. You messiah will do no different. He will implement more government oversight, universal healthcare, continue an aggressive foreign policy and accrue more debt for the American people. You really can't help it though, you're blind.
M: No you are blind because you know all this shit and it's just your shit opinion. I don't know what Obama will do. I do know only he will have a chance to do anything. You're just a piss ant nobody neigh sayer to me.
M: And to hear Jackass talk about others not believing in the Founding Fathers and knowing his cowardly reaction to Islam just makes me laugh.
PC: What does islam have to do with anything? Your messiah had plenty of opportunities to stand up for the constitution yet he rolled over like a yellow pig that he is.
M: Hehe, It has to do with nothing you would understand and nothing pertinent here. Obama does not yet have opportunity. Nothing happens until the time is right and that time hasn't arrived.
M: There is only Obama this time who has any possibility of bringing meaningful change. The fools will vote third party and Republican.
PC: There is only Obama FOR YOU. Cause fools like you continue to participate in the two party system.
M: Exactly so only Obama for me and everybody else cause the only other who can win is McSame. See, you just can't deal with fact.
PD: Those are the true fools Moonbeam, continuing the same patterns expecting a different result. Wait, or is it insanity?
M: No, I see everything you do. But most people don't and never will. I am voting for the best hope we have, not for a dream that will not be. You are still the bigger fool because you can't face what is actually going to be. The fools who continue to vote for one or the other don't give a shit what you think.
You are a lunatic radical fringe out in the woods lunatic ideologue and you will waste your vote like a fool, helping the greater evil win. Stupid ass.
Now what do say? Will Obama or McCain win this election? Now if one of those two is actually going to win, because this isn't dream land, which one should you help get in office? I know I know, you can't wrap your mind around something real. You've got to retreat into more bull shit.
PC: Yep, if idiots like you didn't vote for the two party system we would be tons better off.
The 'IF' of a dreamer who can't face what is. You are the idiot because you life in 'IF LAND'.
M: All you ideological idiots think the same. You all diagnose the problem and have no answers that mean a thing. Always there's this if only this or if only that and there's no chance at all your if will be in any timely manner.
PC: Actually the problem is people like you moonbeam. You 'think' or 'believe' that 'your guy' is going to change washington, won't do business as usual.
M: How many fucking times do I have to say it. Only Obama will have any opportunity to change anything. He will have a Democratic congress and a rare opportunity to do things. God only knows if he will. McSame will be stymied at every turn. Knock of the "Moonbeam's a believer shit" I don't believe anything but that the opportunity will be there if Obama wins.
PC: Well, there have been many of those empty word speakers through the last 100yrs of presidents and guess what? None of them did shit but increase the size of government. You messiah will do no different. He will implement more government oversight, universal healthcare, continue an aggressive foreign policy and accrue more debt for the American people. You really can't help it though, you're blind.
M: No you are blind because you know all this shit and it's just your shit opinion. I don't know what Obama will do. I do know only he will have a chance to do anything. You're just a piss ant nobody neigh sayer to me.
M: And to hear Jackass talk about others not believing in the Founding Fathers and knowing his cowardly reaction to Islam just makes me laugh.
PC: What does islam have to do with anything? Your messiah had plenty of opportunities to stand up for the constitution yet he rolled over like a yellow pig that he is.
M: Hehe, It has to do with nothing you would understand and nothing pertinent here. Obama does not yet have opportunity. Nothing happens until the time is right and that time hasn't arrived.
M: There is only Obama this time who has any possibility of bringing meaningful change. The fools will vote third party and Republican.
PC: There is only Obama FOR YOU. Cause fools like you continue to participate in the two party system.
M: Exactly so only Obama for me and everybody else cause the only other who can win is McSame. See, you just can't deal with fact.
PD: Those are the true fools Moonbeam, continuing the same patterns expecting a different result. Wait, or is it insanity?
M: No, I see everything you do. But most people don't and never will. I am voting for the best hope we have, not for a dream that will not be. You are still the bigger fool because you can't face what is actually going to be. The fools who continue to vote for one or the other don't give a shit what you think.
You are a lunatic radical fringe out in the woods lunatic ideologue and you will waste your vote like a fool, helping the greater evil win. Stupid ass.
Now what do say? Will Obama or McCain win this election? Now if one of those two is actually going to win, because this isn't dream land, which one should you help get in office? I know I know, you can't wrap your mind around something real. You've got to retreat into more bull shit.
I don't buy this. I think democrats fail to understand that poor people hate themselves and their poverty is self inflicted. You can't help people except as you hide that fact from them. For example if you find a ten dollar bill in the morning your attitude will be better all day, and attitude is everything.
I think most people want to help, democrats and republicans, as you say, but they are not wise enough to do so.
You are the one who has given up. I can stoop to any level I have to to do the right thing. I'm not a dreamer moral purist like you. I am a pragmatic machine who will commit any evil required to save your worthless ass.
Fern
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Meh, in all this "lesser of two evils" and third party stuff it occurs to me that I haven't seen a third party candidate this year that I'd like to vote for either. They'd all be a compromise (lessor of 2 evils) in one way or another.
Maybe the problem is deeper than just the 2 party system.
I'd rather we vote on the issues (which ones are important and what we want to do about them), then having resolved that, pick the person we want to carry out our voted upon decisions.
Fern
Maybe the problem is deeper than just the 2 party system.
I'd rather we vote on the issues (which ones are important and what we want to do about them), then having resolved that, pick the person we want to carry out our voted upon decisions.
Fern
At the moment I can't think of having ever read a better post. This is just splendid in so many ways.
Its only "if" because you're too lazy to work for something real. You want the easy win. You'll get it too, and all the debt/corrupt foreign policy with it. You will own it while I'll have moral authority to denounce it.
Don't give me that bullshit moonbeam. Bush had control of congress too, what did that get us? Your logic is flawed. Just because your messiah is a good speaker doesn't mean he will be a good president. His emty words have filled your brain with lolly pop dreams and candycane coated lies. Sweet to the taste but bitter in the stomach.
The feelings mutual moonbeam. Maybe after you see his false plans and empty words come to fruition you too will finally see the truth. But you are too busy dancing to the merry go round song.
I await your disappointment.
Oh I have dealt with it. Its you ignorant fools who will have to deal with your conscience over the next 4 years.
The reason its a dream in your eyes is because people like you don't go with their heart, instead you and people like you hang your sign on the same lynching tree.
I wonder how you will feel about your vote once more deaths, more debt and more government intrusion comes about because of it? Who then, moonbeam, will be the stupid ass?
No, I can't wrap my mind around more government when I know we have enough. I cn't wrap my mind around more debt, when I know we don't have to. I can't wrap my mind around more government control, when I know its only stealing liberty. I can't wrap my mind around any of the bullshit the two party system represents. Your candidates may have a chance, but having a chance at winning or a clear conscience, I'll take the latter. I know I know, its too much effort to live a moral life....
[/quote]
Somewhere over the rainbow
Way up high,
There's a candidate that I heard of
Once in a lullaby.
Somewhere over the rainbow
Skies are blue,
And the dreams that you dare to dream
Really do come true.
I'm sorry to tell you man, but the two party system is here to stay. Forever. The reason is due to the fundamental collective action problem present in any winner take all system. Moonbeam is 100% right. It might suck, but it's reality.
PC: Its only "if" because you're too lazy to work for something real. You want the easy win. You'll get it too, and all the debt/corrupt foreign policy with it. You will own it while I'll have moral authority to denounce it.
Oh bully for you. As I said, I don't get off on your childish notion of morality. I hope it's not that evil McSame you help elect.
PC: Don't give me that bullshit moonbeam. Bush had control of congress too, what did that get us? Your logic is flawed. Just because your messiah is a good speaker doesn't mean he will be a good president. His emty words have filled your brain with lolly pop dreams and candycane coated lies. Sweet to the taste but bitter in the stomach.
M: Sorry buy you continue to be an ass. Bush gave us what Bush is, a disaster. Obama will have a chance to be something different if he wins. You are just a fool who thinks he knows what that will be win knowbody does or can.
PC: The feelings mutual moonbeam. Maybe after you see his false plans and empty words come to fruition you too will finally see the truth. But you are too busy dancing to the merry go round song.
M: When I see it I will know Obama failed to take advantage of a rare and precious opportunity, one your fantasy candidate will never have.
PC: I await your disappointment.
M: You live a constant state of disappointment because nobody gives a shit about your brilliant third party knowledge and opinion. If Obama fails he fails and with idiots like you he doesn't have much of a chance. I will do what I can to help him win and it's all over for me. I will have done my moral duty. Save me a space in the corner where we can both sit in the corner and suck our thumbs, and maybe have a tantrum. Hehe. I have no ideology, yeah, I'm free!
PC: Oh I have dealt with it. Its you ignorant fools who will have to deal with your conscience over the next 4 years.
M: Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord. I condemn you to suffer your stupidity. Hi God? Nice ta meet cha, dude.
PC: The reason its a dream in your eyes is because people like you don't go with their heart, instead you and people like you hang your sign on the same lynching tree.
M: Yes, quite so. Most will vote their favorite fear.
PC: I wonder how you will feel about your vote once more deaths, more debt and more government intrusion comes about because of it? Who then, moonbeam, will be the stupid ass?
M: I will vote for the greater of the two goods that have a chance to win and you will waste your vote. I will know I did better than you did.
PC" No, I can't wrap my mind around more government when I know we have enough. I cn't wrap my mind around more debt, when I know we don't have to. I can't wrap my mind around more government control, when I know its only stealing liberty. I can't wrap my mind around any of the bullshit the two party system represents. Your candidates may have a chance, but having a chance at winning or a clear conscience, I'll take the latter. I know I know, its too much effort to live a moral life....
M: I know. You would rather commit evil than admit it because you're stuffed full of ideological ego.
Oh bully for you. As I said, I don't get off on your childish notion of morality. I hope it's not that evil McSame you help elect.
PC: Don't give me that bullshit moonbeam. Bush had control of congress too, what did that get us? Your logic is flawed. Just because your messiah is a good speaker doesn't mean he will be a good president. His emty words have filled your brain with lolly pop dreams and candycane coated lies. Sweet to the taste but bitter in the stomach.
M: Sorry buy you continue to be an ass. Bush gave us what Bush is, a disaster. Obama will have a chance to be something different if he wins. You are just a fool who thinks he knows what that will be win knowbody does or can.
PC: The feelings mutual moonbeam. Maybe after you see his false plans and empty words come to fruition you too will finally see the truth. But you are too busy dancing to the merry go round song.
M: When I see it I will know Obama failed to take advantage of a rare and precious opportunity, one your fantasy candidate will never have.
PC: I await your disappointment.
M: You live a constant state of disappointment because nobody gives a shit about your brilliant third party knowledge and opinion. If Obama fails he fails and with idiots like you he doesn't have much of a chance. I will do what I can to help him win and it's all over for me. I will have done my moral duty. Save me a space in the corner where we can both sit in the corner and suck our thumbs, and maybe have a tantrum. Hehe. I have no ideology, yeah, I'm free!
PC: Oh I have dealt with it. Its you ignorant fools who will have to deal with your conscience over the next 4 years.
M: Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord. I condemn you to suffer your stupidity. Hi God? Nice ta meet cha, dude.
PC: The reason its a dream in your eyes is because people like you don't go with their heart, instead you and people like you hang your sign on the same lynching tree.
M: Yes, quite so. Most will vote their favorite fear.
PC: I wonder how you will feel about your vote once more deaths, more debt and more government intrusion comes about because of it? Who then, moonbeam, will be the stupid ass?
M: I will vote for the greater of the two goods that have a chance to win and you will waste your vote. I will know I did better than you did.
PC" No, I can't wrap my mind around more government when I know we have enough. I cn't wrap my mind around more debt, when I know we don't have to. I can't wrap my mind around more government control, when I know its only stealing liberty. I can't wrap my mind around any of the bullshit the two party system represents. Your candidates may have a chance, but having a chance at winning or a clear conscience, I'll take the latter. I know I know, its too much effort to live a moral life....
M: I know. You would rather commit evil than admit it because you're stuffed full of ideological ego.
I have hope that the people will awaken and change this worthless system but I won't waste my vote at a critical time like this when the prospects of that happening are nil. I have hope that isn't bitter. I don't need for what I hope to be.
If people like PC want to change the system they have to get off their asses and work to change it instead of sitting around on their computers bitching. I waste my vote on third party candidates all the time to send a message. So far everybody's been deaf. Hehe.
I do what I can here trying to show people how their self hate traps them as fools. Folks here are deaf too. People are totally hopeless but it makes me laugh. I defeated hopelessness a long time ago. I escaped from a place of no exit.
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