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Why is it such a crime to believe in an intelligent creator?

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Arkitech said:
what are the origins of hot and cold? what are the origins that created the elements to produce hot and cold?
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This is really nothing more than a child asking "Why" Why? Why? to every answer offered. Science doesn't answer "why" it only offers explanations of "how".
 
Arkitech said:
what are the origins of hot and cold? what are the origins that created the elements to produce hot and cold?
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I've never claimed that they have nor need an origin. If you believe an origin is required, you are invited to present arguments to that effect.
 
busydude said:
And Science understands that.. unlike religion. Science accepts the fact that we don't know everything.. and that humanity does not have solution to every problem/question.
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This is exactly my point. Since science accepts that fact that we don't know everything, then why is it so unbelievable that God can not enter into the equation?

What we know now is far more than a few hundred years ago or even a few decades ago. So with that basis it is quite possible in an unspecified period of time science may arrive at the conclusion that there may be a very valid reason to conclude that intelligent design could account for the universe around us. It would be very narrow minded to assume that a factor does not exist when we do not have conclusive or concrete evidence to disprove it.
 
SparkyJJO said:
lol seriously? There was a person, and intelligent being behind that. Sure, it was trial and error, but it was all done by someone with a measure of intelligence.
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Wow, what stupidity. And you're too stupid to understand why it's stupid.

As you are obviously completely mentally worthless, bye-bye. It is just not worth my time to read anything your defective little brain assembles.

/ignore.
 
Arkitech said:
This is exactly my point. Since science accepts that fact that we don't know everything, then why is it so unbelievable that God can not enter into the equation?
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Because you're just making shit up. I could say the world was created by cuddly pink kittie cats and it's just as valid as saying god created it. When you make shit up, anything can be true. That doesn't lead to enlightenment, knowledge, or anything else. The best you can hope for is an entertaining movie. To gain knowledge, science is the only valid approach.
 
I think we need a religion sub forum so we can toss them and P&N in a death match and hope they both perish. 😛
 
Arkitech said:
This is exactly my point. Since science accepts that fact that we don't know everything, then why is it so unbelievable that God can not enter into the equation?
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Lots of things can happen. Without any evidence, we have no reason to believe that any god is part of any "equation."

What we know now is far more than a few hundred years ago or even a few decades ago. So with that basis it is quite possible in an unspecified period of time science may arrive at the conclusion that there may be a very valid reason to conclude that intelligent design could account for the universe around us.
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If there is an intelligent designer, it went to great lengths to make it appear that everything happened without one.

It would be very narrow minded to assume that a factor does not exist when we do not have conclusive or concrete evidence to disprove it.
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Do you have concrete evidence that disproves the existence of magical keyring transporting genies? When you go to find your keys, do you look where you last left them, assuming no magical keyring transporting genies hid them under the refrigerator, or do you check under the refrigerator first?
 
Newbian said:
I think we need a religion sub forum so we can toss them and P&N in a death match and hope they both perish. 😛
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Actually it should be in with P&N.
One thing religion gives you is beliefs that are defined as true. This gives you something solid to work against in debate, so it can be used to teach the basics of critical thinking. P&N lacks this, so instead of the idiots over there learning how to think, they merely learn bullshit defensive psychology.

At least with religion you can hold a believer to the search for truth. A conservatard only cares about convenience.
 
lxskllr said:
Because you're just making shit up. I could say the world was created by cuddly pink kittie cats and it's just as valid as saying god created it. When you make shit up, anything can be true. That doesn't lead to enlightenment, knowledge, or anything else. The best you can hope for is an entertaining movie. To gain knowledge, science is the only valid approach.
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Obviously the concept of cuddly pink cats vs. God are not evenly remotely the same. There are thousands of years of recorded history of mankind's belief in God. So to try to discredit my argument in such a manner is a weak response to say the least. But I'm not trying to incite an argument, I'm just simply stating that science and God are not incompatible ideals.
 
Cerpin Taxt said:
Do you have concrete evidence that disproves the existence of magical keyring transporting genies? When you go to find your keys, do you look where you last left them, assuming no magical keyring transporting genies hid them under the refrigerator, or do you check under the refrigerator first?
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Oooh, I'm gonna go look under my refrigerator right now to see if those genies transported Fort Knox there! Maybe I'm rich!
 
i don't believe in creationism and i don't belong to any religion, but i do believe in God.

i do believe that God set things in motion. but i don't believe he decided, "ok, now i'm gonna create a fish with teeth out of a fish that didn't have teeth before."
 
Cerpin Taxt said:
Lots of things can happen. Without any evidence, we have no reason to believe that any god is part of any "equation."


If there is an intelligent designer, it went to great lengths to make it appear that everything happened without one.

This is simply a matter of perspective. There are many examples of atheist scientists who later changed their beliefs based on their research of the universe or their particular field of science.

Do you have concrete evidence that disproves the existence of magical keyring transporting genies? When you go to find your keys, do you look where you last left them, assuming no magical keyring transporting genies hid them under the refrigerator, or do you check under the refrigerator first?

Like I mentioned before there is much evidence to support mankind's belief in the existence of a God or a higher intelligent life form. Magical key rings, pink cats or any other spur of the moment invention is just talk for the sake of an argument. There is a reason that *every* racial, national or demographic group has expressed a belief in some form of a deity.
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Arkitech said:
Like I mentioned before there is much evidence to support mankind's belief in the existence of a God or a higher intelligent life form.
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And there is much damning evidence that many of mankind's beliefs were wrong.

"Belief" and "truth" are two separate things. The fact of belief does not support that the thing believed is true.

A belief in Santa is quite widespread among a segment of the population. That does not mean that Santa is real.


Arkitech said:
However men and scholars much smarter than you and I
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Speak for yourself. Humans actually don't come much smarter than me. And when it comes to standing on the shoulders of giants, I have more available to me than anyone in the past.
 
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Arkitech said:
This is simply a matter of perspective. There are many examples of atheist scientists who later changed their beliefs based on their research of the universe or their particular field of science.
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This is not a measure of truth. The fact is that the universe does not appear to be designed. If an intelligent designer exists, he went to great lengths to hide his existence.

Let me ask you this: Do you know what an undesigned universe would look like? If you believe that this one is designed, in what ways would an undesigned universe differ? Please be sure to provide some evidence that supports your assertions of what we would expect to see in an undesigned universe.

Like I mentioned before there is much evidence to support mankind's belief in the existence of a God or a higher intelligent life form. Magical key rings, pink cats or any other spur of the moment invention is just talk for the sake of an argument. There is a reason that *every* racial, national or demographic group has expressed a belief in some form of a deity.
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Way to spectacularly miss the point, genius. It matters not at all what people have believed. The point is that you too go about your day assuming the non-existence of magical beings, so you have no basis to claim the rest of us are unreasonable for assuming the non-existence of your pet deity.
 
Arkitech said:
What is the method for producing wind without mechanical or other artificial means? Is wind magical?
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Wind currents arrive from differences in temperature and pressure across the multiple zones of the earth which help make air move along.
 
We weren't created, we are here... If you cannot see the difference, I cannot show it to you.

(we were created, I guess, but my parents were pretty random)
 
Arkitech said:
This is exactly my point. Since science accepts that fact that we don't know everything, then why is it so unbelievable that God can not enter into the equation?

What we know now is far more than a few hundred years ago or even a few decades ago. So with that basis it is quite possible in an unspecified period of time science may arrive at the conclusion that there may be a very valid reason to conclude that intelligent design could account for the universe around us. It would be very narrow minded to assume that a factor does not exist when we do not have conclusive or concrete evidence to disprove it.
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because in science it is for you to prove your theories, not for to others to disprove them...
 
Arkitech said:
This is true, I don't argue with that statement in the least. However men and scholars much smarter than you and I have come to the conclusion that a intelligent creator exists.
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The fact they came to a CONCLUSION based on absolutely zero actual physical evidence says to me they aren't quite as smart as you want them to be.

Fact: The chance of a creator existing is the same chance that we are all bacteria on turds in a toilet bowl.
 
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