why is it so hard for people from the ghetto to get out of the ghetto?

[BlahBlahYouToo]

i'm not saying it's easy. i understand it's hard.
i understand that if you're past your teens and living in the ghetto, chances are you probably will be there for the rest of your life. lack of education, lack of opportunity (job), etc.
but at least parent your kids so that they won't make the same mistakes you did. don't they want their kids to have a better life than they did, or do they not care?

it all comes down to parenting and education.
education is there, even in the ghetto. while it's not the best, it's free and available. which really means the parenting is lacking.

 

[purbeast0]

from reading all your posts on this forum, you must be very sheltered in life.

 

[Crusty]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
from reading all your posts on this forum, you must be very sheltered in life.

Or he's just a troll

 

[JS80]

Culture + trapped by entitlements.

Bitches and hoes > Education and middle class life.

Why put in effort to change when you can go to the voting booth once a year to vote for government to provide everything for you and you can stay home and smoke weed all day?

 

[Ns1]

it's more cool to be a gangsta

 

[swbsam]

Here's what I figured out in my short, naive life.

Stupid people are stupid, there's no changing them.

1. Some people live with their parents until they're 30, have deadend retail jobs, or stay in their little town in kansas because they're too stupid to aspire for more
2. Some people stay in their ghetto lives because they're too stupid to aspire fore more
3. Some people aspire to get out of the ghetto/their parents basement, and they do so. Because they're bright. They know better. they work their asses off. They do very well and they deserve props, lifetime tv-movies, and respect
4. Some people have shit luck and shit friends. They get pregnant young and make some mistakes.. Selling drugs to help their mom pay rent..Wanting to do better but their environment prevents them from being otherwise mediocre (take these people as babies and raise them in the suburbs and they may end up as middle management).. Bad choices, but they end up cursed by those mistakes and their environment. These people deserve some compassion.

 

[zerocool84]

If you see something happening all the time, you think it's normal so you gravitate towards that but ultimately it's down to PARENTS as with everything. Parents can turn their kids to the right direction. You see people living in the "ghetto" doing well and why? Parents didn't let their kids fall into the same trap as all the other kids.

 

[TheSlamma]

Why is it when to take the man out of the trailer park you can't take the trailer park out of the man?

 

[mugs]

There are a lot of reasons, but for starters -
1. Cultural disdain for education
2. Lack of parents who stress the importance of education
3. People who are from the ghetto usually act like they're from the ghetto, and no one wants to hire a person from the ghetto for a decent job
4. To some extent, racism. Black people have the lowest social mobility of any race in the US; partly because of the reasons above, partly because of racism, partly because of self-segregation. One of the places people network is at church. Poor black people go to black churches where they network with other poor, black people who aren't in a position to help them get a good job.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Change doesn't happen overnight, and the change you're talking about usually takes generations. Yes, generations. There are examples of successful people going from ghetto into upper middle class, or even higher, but most of the times, if it ever happens, it takes multiple generations to get out of it. Typical progression is low wage no steady job > low wage steady job in manufacturing, etc > college degree, lower middle class > advanced college degree salaried job > advanced degree, business owner, etc. That's 3 or 4 generations right there.

Too many things must come into alignment in order for this to happen: parents must be committed to change, work their whole lives for the betterment of their children, they must sacrifice their quality of life to give their children a chance to advance, they have to do a good job raising them to make sure their kids actually take advantage of the opportunity provided to them, and the children must repeat the cycle as well.

The chances of it all working out are simply way too small. All it takes is one bad generation and they're done for, one major illness without health insurance and they're done for, an accident at work, kid not wanting to continue the cycle, etc etc etc...

It's possible, just very very unlikely. A man is a product of the environment he grew up in, change is possible, but requires tons of work and a lot of luck.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Change doesn't happen overnight, and the change you're talking about usually takes generations. Yes, generations. There are examples of successful people going from ghetto into upper middle class, or even higher, but most of the times, if it ever happens, it takes multiple generations to get out of it. Typical progression is low wage no steady job > low wage steady job in manufacturing, etc > college degree, lower middle class > advanced college degree salaried job > advanced degree, business owner, etc. That's 3 or 4 generations right there.

Too many things must come into alignment in order for this to happen: parents must be committed to change, work their whole lives for the betterment of their children, they must sacrifice their quality of life to give their children a chance to advance, they have to do a good job raising them to make sure their kids actually take advantage of the opportunity provided to them, and the children must repeat the cycle as well.

The chances of it all working out are simply way too small. All it takes is one bad generation and they're done for, one major illness without health insurance and they're done for, an accident at work, kid not wanting to continue the cycle, etc etc etc...

It's possible, just very very unlikely. A man is a product of the environment he grew up in, change is possible, but requires tons of work and a lot of luck.

That's fucking bullshit. It takes half a generation. Look at asian immigrants. All 1.5 generationers are able to integrate and are relatively successful in their education and professions.

 

[darkxshade]

No it's the repression of the white man that's keeping us all down. :| Asian ghettos who are more family and goal oriented hasn't really gotten anywhere either despite their hard work and studious nature. On top of that we don't have much of a future in sports or any chance at a musical career in rap.


I'm not being serious.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: JS80
That's fucking bullshit. It takes half a generation. Look at asian immigrants. All 1.5 generationers are able to integrate and are relatively successful in their education and professions.

this

 

[Mermaidman]

When you see rich kids who fall short of their parents' achievements, even given all kinds of privileges, one can imagine the immense difficulty for kids breaking through the miasma of poverty and illiteracy. Imagine--A kid attending a shitty public elementary school. Try and get an education while fighting hunger, abuse, violence, bad homes . . .

And the 'ghetto parent' thing? It's that vicious cycle: Problem kids-->Bad parents-->problem kids

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

And the 'ghetto parent' thing? It's that vicious cycle: Problem kids-->Bad parents-->problem kids

very true.

 

[FelixDeCat]

What are you talking about? People leave the ghetto all the time. They usually ride a bus and the lucky ones drive off in their own car. Some even leave the ghetto by walking out and others hitch a ride in a cop car.

 

[FeuerFrei]

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
i'm not saying it's easy. i understand it's hard.
i understand that if you're past your teens and living in the ghetto, chances are you probably will be there for the rest of your life. lack of education, lack of opportunity (job), etc.
but at least parent your kids so that they won't make the same mistakes you did. don't they want their kids to have a better life than they did, or do they not care?

it all comes down to parenting and education.
education is there, even in the ghetto. while it's not the best, it's free and available. which really means the parenting is lacking.

I think you nailed it.
Kids aren't taught how to treat others, to take education seriously, to respect authority, or to be responsible. Thus they can't function once they grow up. They are stuck in low paying jobs because they shirk responsibility, disobey rules, steal from the employer, and can't be counted on to do their duties. Plus they have little motivation to improve themselves.

They are destined to be bottom feeders unless they work at improving themselves and stay off the streets.

 

[her209]

The margin of error is smaller, i.e., bad/wrong choices are magnified.

 

[waffleironhead]

It is hard to walk past your border with your pants below your ass and around your ankles. It decreases your ability to migrate.

 

[Mermaidman]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Change doesn't happen overnight, and the change you're talking about usually takes generations. Yes, generations. There are examples of successful people going from ghetto into upper middle class, or even higher, but most of the times, if it ever happens, it takes multiple generations to get out of it. Typical progression is low wage no steady job > low wage steady job in manufacturing, etc > college degree, lower middle class > advanced college degree salaried job > advanced degree, business owner, etc. That's 3 or 4 generations right there.

Too many things must come into alignment in order for this to happen: parents must be committed to change, work their whole lives for the betterment of their children, they must sacrifice their quality of life to give their children a chance to advance, they have to do a good job raising them to make sure their kids actually take advantage of the opportunity provided to them, and the children must repeat the cycle as well.

The chances of it all working out are simply way too small. All it takes is one bad generation and they're done for, one major illness without health insurance and they're done for, an accident at work, kid not wanting to continue the cycle, etc etc etc...

It's possible, just very very unlikely. A man is a product of the environment he grew up in, change is possible, but requires tons of work and a lot of luck.

That's fucking bullshit. It takes half a generation. Look at asian immigrants. All 1.5 generationers are able to integrate and are relatively successful in their education and professions.

You conveniently forget to mention that Asian immigrants came to this country with a stable cultural and familial identity. Hmm . . . How did most blacks land on our shores? Oh yeah--as fucking SLAVES.

 

[ivan2]

ask the mercades owners who often seen parking their cars on the street of the ghetto.

 

[HannibalX]

The language barrier is a huge factor. Basically, your entire culture encourages you to speak incorrectly or never learn to speak correctly at all. This sort of goes along with the education factor that mugs mentioned. In many neighborhoods striving to do well in school is looked down on by people in the community and by peers. Those who didn't bother to do anything in life often attack and discourage those trying to do well in school.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
Imagine--A kid attending a shitty public elementary school. Try and get an education while fighting hunger, abuse, violence, bad homes . . .

Don't forget external influences like gangs, crime, etc.

 

[darkxshade]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

And the 'ghetto parent' thing? It's that vicious cycle: Problem kids-->Bad parents-->problem kids

very true.

Is it though really? IMO I think most parents in ghettos aren't "bad" per se, a lot genuinely do want the best for their children. They do the best they can but unfortunately in most cases parenting has to be sacrificed to work longer hours to pay rent and provide for the family. I believe it all falls on the company you keep. Most kids in ghettos eventually due to a lack of direction join gangs and hang out with the wrong crowds. It's this vicious cycles that prevents them from ever becoming successful. Those who are able to stay out of trouble are the ones that "get out", the education that they receive is the effect, not the cause.

 

[ColdFusion718]

..because it's ghetto-fabulous, can ya dig it?

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Change doesn't happen overnight, and the change you're talking about usually takes generations. Yes, generations. There are examples of successful people going from ghetto into upper middle class, or even higher, but most of the times, if it ever happens, it takes multiple generations to get out of it. Typical progression is low wage no steady job > low wage steady job in manufacturing, etc > college degree, lower middle class > advanced college degree salaried job > advanced degree, business owner, etc. That's 3 or 4 generations right there.

Too many things must come into alignment in order for this to happen: parents must be committed to change, work their whole lives for the betterment of their children, they must sacrifice their quality of life to give their children a chance to advance, they have to do a good job raising them to make sure their kids actually take advantage of the opportunity provided to them, and the children must repeat the cycle as well.

The chances of it all working out are simply way too small. All it takes is one bad generation and they're done for, one major illness without health insurance and they're done for, an accident at work, kid not wanting to continue the cycle, etc etc etc...

It's possible, just very very unlikely. A man is a product of the environment he grew up in, change is possible, but requires tons of work and a lot of luck.

That's fucking bullshit. It takes half a generation. Look at asian immigrants. All 1.5 generationers are able to integrate and are relatively successful in their education and professions.

You conveniently forget to mention that Asian immigrants came to this country with a stable cultural and familial identity. Hmm . . . How did most blacks land on our shores? Oh yeah--as fucking SLAVES.

That was over 200 years ago--plenty of time to adapt. How about the Chinese? They worked as slaves on the railroads too. Instead of bitching and whining by using the past as a crutch, they used what they had and invested in their children, who later became successful and prosperous.