Why is it harrassment to check for warrants at the polls?

[Todd33]

The point isn't to catch real criminals, it's to harass black peeople. Admit it.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Todd33
The point isn't to catch real criminals, it's to harass black peeople. Admit it.

I think that's only true if you believe blacks have a higher propensity to commit crime.

It's like John Kerry pointing out that Mary Cheney is a lesbian. It's only a dirty tactic if you find something wrong with lesbians...

Closet racist much?

 

[CaptnKirk]

I sure hope that poor Kenny Boy Lay gets to vote
before he is convicted of the Felonies he's charged with.

 

[Infohawk]

Again, conservatives have a problem with the golden rule. Put yourself in a black person's shoes.

Imagine you are a white voter. You go to vote. How would you feel if a black person came up to you asking you if you've done something wrong and asking you to jump through hoops just exercise your fundamental right? You'd be pissed. You'd know they were just trying to bust your chops and not trying to catch crooks. Moreover you would recognize that they were not-so-subtly suggesting that black people are criminals.

A while back some conservative talked about getting a gun out and shooting someone because they were soliciting on their property. They were enraged and it was just soliciting! How would they react if they felt someone was trying to prevent them from voting.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Again, conservatives have a problem with the golden rule. Put yourself in a black person's shoes.

Imagine you are a white voter. You go to vote. How would you feel if a black person came up to you asking you if you've done something wrong and asking you to jump through hoops just exercise your fundamental right? You'd be pissed. You'd know they were just trying to bust your chops and not trying to catch crooks. Moreover you would recognize that they were not-so-subtly suggesting that black people are criminals.

A while back some conservative talked about getting a gun out and shooting someone because they were soliciting on their property. They were enraged and it was just soliciting! How would they react if they felt someone was trying to prevent them from voting.

Again, I don't recall the OP mentioning race in the first post...Personally, I disagree with you and think that Blacks are, by and large, very law abiding...You shouldn't pre-judge their entire race based on the actions of a very tiny minority of criminals

Just my humble, minority opinion...you don't have to accept it, of course, until I show you my clean police record

 

[umbrella39]

I think a better question is why is the GOP trying to challenge voter registrations in predominently black voting locations?

Seems that a Federal judge has issued a court order for the GOP to halt their plans of creating 10 hour lines at the polls. Link

But not surprisingly, the GOP is appealing the ruling. Link

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Todd33
The point isn't to catch real criminals, it's to harass black peeople. Admit it.

I think that's only true if you believe blacks have a higher propensity to commit crime.

It's like John Kerry pointing out that Mary Cheney is a lesbian. It's only a dirty tactic if you find something wrong with lesbians...

Closet racist much?

Well the fact is that the imprisonment rate of blacks is far higher than that of whites (or any other ethnic/racial group) in this country.

Furthermore, saying that black people commit more crimes isn't necessarily a racist statement, unless you believe that black people commit more crime because of the fact they're black, rather than the other factors which are the true indicators (socioeconomic status, for example).

 

[arsbanned]

It's harassment because ANY action that might impede a voters right to vote for the candidate of his choice goes against the laws of the land. We cannot allow goons to harass people at the polling places. I'm glad to see the courts take a firm stand against the Republicans!
If anyone gets in my face when I go to vote, that would be a bad thing. Bad for all involved.

 

[lordtyranus]

IMO a tax return, a drivers license, or some sort of ID should be required to vote.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Gravity
So here's the question:

If we are a country that is founded on laws and liberty, why is voting some sort of "law enforcement" free zone? Why is it harrassment to check for warrants or other law violations during the voting process.

It seems like a good use of law enforcement to check the sheeple as they pass through the polls and are identified in order to vote. Heck, we would prolly make the streets safer and the communities safer as a result.

Child support evaders? Why are we protecting those deadbeats anyhow? They deserve to pay their fair share or be in jail. Why is voting so protected?

Answer below.

Law enforcement doesn't have the right to just check people to see if there are warrants for them. They have to have probable cause. What you suggest is clearly unConstitutional.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Gravity
So here's the question:

If we are a country that is founded on laws and liberty, why is voting some sort of "law enforcement" free zone? Why is it harrassment to check for warrants or other law violations during the voting process.

It seems like a good use of law enforcement to check the sheeple as they pass through the polls and are identified in order to vote. Heck, we would prolly make the streets safer and the communities safer as a result.

Child support evaders? Why are we protecting those deadbeats anyhow? They deserve to pay their fair share or be in jail. Why is voting so protected?

Answer below.

Law enforcement doesn't have the right to just check people to see if there are warrants for them. They have to have probable cause. What you suggest is clearly unConstitutional.

If you are breathing is good enough reason for Probable Cause now under the FLL Club Regime.

 

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Gravity
So here's the question:

If we are a country that is founded on laws and liberty, why is voting some sort of "law enforcement" free zone? Why is it harrassment to check for warrants or other law violations during the voting process.

It seems like a good use of law enforcement to check the sheeple as they pass through the polls and are identified in order to vote. Heck, we would prolly make the streets safer and the communities safer as a result.

Child support evaders? Why are we protecting those deadbeats anyhow? They deserve to pay their fair share or be in jail. Why is voting so protected?

Answer below.

Law enforcement doesn't have the right to just check people to see if there are warrants for them. They have to have probably cause. What you suggest is clearly unConstitutional.

Well...you are half right, half wrong. They need only a lawful way to question you...not probable cause. Probable cause is what's needed for an arrest. Reasonable suspicion is needed for traffic stops/ID checks under normal circumstances.

 

[her209]

Maybe the cops should stop every black guy driving a new luxury car... or stop every Mexican that is in a car to make sure they have car insurance.

 

[Todd33]

As soon as we start checking all rich white people in their polling places, then I will believe this isn't just a suppression technique, which of course it is.

 

[Jhhnn]

Here's what's wrong, Gravity- you've achieved a near perfect cranio-rectal interface, and the sphincter muscle around the neck is cutting off the oxygen supply-

"these peeps you claim can't have car insurance due to poverty are driving brand new suv's and using other luxury items like cigarettes and alcohol. "

And you've ascertained that exactly how? Listening to Limbaugh? Or cruising various rightwing websites? You've just applied one of the usual oh-so convenient stereotypes to a subject where you obviously have near zero comprehension or experience.

BTW, would you want folks arrested before or after they vote? Have this little impediment applied everywhere, or just in darkskinned neighborhoods? You'd probably find more scofflaws in whitebread suburbia, if you'd care to look...

Don't worry, I'm sure there will be plenty of sobriety and safety checkpoints in selected areas...wouldn't want anybody driving their beater to the polls in broad daylight with a taillight out...

 

[dahunan]

Maybe we should have people ask for warrants every single place you go.. Maybe ask 10-20 times per day

How shall we decide who to ask

ONLY ask Minorities?

anyone with a tattoo

next>

 

[piasabird]

Some might consider that Entrapment or a violation of a person's Civil Rights.

Not all warrants are for convicted felons. Some people may have no convictions and only be wanted on a Supposed crime.

How about innocent till proven guilty.

The Police have 365 days a year to look for these people. Maybe they need to quit sucking down coffee and eating doughnuts.

 

[sandorski]

The democratic process is the Most important Institution in a Free Society. If you try to turn it into a grandiose Sting Operation you are going to turn people away and damage the Process. How many people are going to be challenged in error? Do you really think people want to defend themselves against False Accusations when all they want to do is Vote?

It's a stupid idea.

 

[chess9]

Jhnnn:

Bwuahahahaha. I think you got tax title and plates to this thread with that post.



-Robert

 

[piasabird]

Dont know any rich white people who live in my precinct. Whish I did . . . . . .

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Gravity
So here's the question:

If we are a country that is founded on laws and liberty, why is voting some sort of "law enforcement" free zone? Why is it harrassment to check for warrants or other law violations during the voting process.

It seems like a good use of law enforcement to check the sheeple as they pass through the polls and are identified in order to vote. Heck, we would prolly make the streets safer and the communities safer as a result.

Child support evaders? Why are we protecting those deadbeats anyhow? They deserve to pay their fair share or be in jail. Why is voting so protected?

Answer below.

Law enforcement doesn't have the right to just check people to see if there are warrants for them. They have to have probably cause. What you suggest is clearly unConstitutional.

Well...you are half right, half wrong. They need only a lawful way to question you...not probable cause. Probable cause is what's needed for an arrest. Reasonable suspicion is needed for traffic stops/ID checks under normal circumstances.

Really ? I can understand a police officer has the right to id check a person if a person matches a description they are looking for, but I didn't know that gives them the right to do a search for any possible warrant, even if it has nothing to do with the original reason they questioned them.

Well, assuming you are correct I guess they should detain black voters, since it's well known that a majority of blacks vote Democratic, that's reasonable enough suspicion they must be trouble makers.

 

[SuperTool]

It is harrassment because of lack of probable cause. If police stopped people for no reason just to check their warrants, people would be up in arms. So why should they be allowed to do it at voting places?

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Are you kidding? Honestly, I'd almost be willing to say this is some kind of joke. What's being suggested is the legal equivalent of cops stopping random people walking down the street to see if they've done anything wrong lately. Maybe it will catch some criminals, but it's a violation of people's rights to check EVERYONE who's just voting. AFAIK, there is nothing about voting that would allow that sort of behavior. IANAL and all that.

This is where we are going under FLL Club rule, where have you been???


Better be used to it, at least up until the Revolution starts.

ahhh the good 'ol revolution. man, i cant wait! :roll: you really have lost your marbles...

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Gravity
So here's the question:

If we are a country that is founded on laws and liberty, why is voting some sort of "law enforcement" free zone? Why is it harrassment to check for warrants or other law violations during the voting process.

The direct answer is Amendment IV to the United States Constitution

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

You remember -- It's that old fashioned document the Bushwhackos have worked so diligently to destroy. :frown:

 

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Gravity
So here's the question:

If we are a country that is founded on laws and liberty, why is voting some sort of "law enforcement" free zone? Why is it harrassment to check for warrants or other law violations during the voting process.

It seems like a good use of law enforcement to check the sheeple as they pass through the polls and are identified in order to vote. Heck, we would prolly make the streets safer and the communities safer as a result.

Child support evaders? Why are we protecting those deadbeats anyhow? They deserve to pay their fair share or be in jail. Why is voting so protected?

Answer below.

Law enforcement doesn't have the right to just check people to see if there are warrants for them. They have to have probably cause. What you suggest is clearly unConstitutional.

Well...you are half right, half wrong. They need only a lawful way to question you...not probable cause. Probable cause is what's needed for an arrest. Reasonable suspicion is needed for traffic stops/ID checks under normal circumstances.

Really ? I can understand a police officer has the right to id check a person if a person matches a description they are looking for, but I didn't know that gives them the right to do a search for any possible warrant, even if it has nothing to do with the original reason they questioned them.

Well, assuming you are correct I guess they should detain black voters, since it's well known that a majority of blacks vote Democratic, that's reasonable enough suspicion they must be trouble makers.

Yea. There is a reason they bring your ID back to their car when they stop you...its to run a warrant check. The courts have allowed it. As long as they are SUPPOSED to be talking to you, they can run a quick warrant check.